
RelateBetter presents: The EnneaCast
A show to help you build better relationships.
A workshop/interview/game show for your relational health. Welcome to The EnneaCast, a bi-weekly show that explores personality and the Enneagram through the lens of the gospel. Every episode combines teaching, an interview and a game into a fascinating and fun listening experience. Hosted by Jesse Eubanks and Lindsey Lewis, The EnneaCast features authors, artists, pastors and counselors sharing their wisdom with one goal in mind: to help you experience more meaningful relationships with God, yourself and others.
Latest episodes

May 31, 2022 • 49min
Ep #70: Enneagram Type 5s & Conflict w/ Elizabeth Evans
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through how 5s prefer to approach and resolve conflict. Then they interview podcast producer Elizabeth Evans about handling conflict as a Type 5. Elizabeth talks about the gift of being able to pause before responding but how sometimes that can be viewed as apathy or disinterest. Everyone also plays What’s Your Number, where Elizabeth gets introduced to a new art form. Find more from Elizabeth: https://elizabethevans.co/ This episode is part of our Conflict & the Enneagram series.

May 17, 2022 • 41min
Ep #69: Enneagram Type 4s & Conflict w/ Eric Nevins
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through how 4s prefer to approach and resolve conflict. Then they interview podcaster Eric Nevins about handling conflict as a Type 4. Eric talks about the ups and downs of not speaking up or speaking up too much and how healthy conflict includes the right levels of both emotion and conviction. Everyone also plays Pick Your Poison, where Eric’s love of dad jokes gets involved. Eric’s podcast: https://ericnevins.com/series/halfwaythere/ More from Eric: https://ericnevins.com/ This episode is part of our Conflict & the Enneagram series.

May 3, 2022 • 53min
Ep #68: Enneagram Type 3s & Conflict w/ Sharon McMahon
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through how 3s prefer to approach and resolve conflict. They interview “America’s government teacher” Sharon McMahon, from the viral Instagram account Sharon Says So. Sharon talks about engaging with conflict online and the importance as a 3 to sometimes take a step back instead of always charging full steam ahead. Everyone also plays What’s Your Number, where of course Sharon is asked about her popular term “hard pants” - anything without a stretchy waistband. Hear more from Sharon at https://www.sharonmcmahon.com/

Apr 19, 2022 • 48min
Ep #67: Enneagram Type 2s and Conflict w/ Sawyer Whitted
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through how 2s prefer to approach and resolve conflict. Then they interview musician Sawyer Whitted about handling conflict as a Type 2. Sawyer talks about his tendency to be absorbed by the needs of others, and about a healthy conflict where he stopped to consider his own needs as well. Everyone also plays Name That Type, where Sawyer introduces Jesse to a new band. Sawyer’s Enneagram coaching: https://www.byfcoaching.com/ Hear Sawyer’s EnneaSongs: https://www.instagram.com/soyjoy96/?hl=en This episode is part of our Conflict & the Enneagram series.

Apr 5, 2022 • 47min
Ep #66: Enneagram Type 1s & Conflict w/ John Meese
In this episode, Jesse and Lindsey talk through how 1s prefer to approach and resolve conflict. Then they interview entrepreneur John Meese about handling conflict as a Type 1. John talks about the importance of protocol, but how following the rules doesn’t always bring the desired result. Everyone also plays Pick Your Poison, where John has a surprising secret up his… throat? This episode is part of our Conflict & the Enneagram series.

Mar 22, 2022 • 58min
Ep #65: Conflict & the Enneagram w/ Dr. Dan Allender
What is conflict, and how can we approach it as disciples of Jesus? Join Jesse and Lindsey as they kick off a new series all about the Enneagram and conflict! First, they look at three truths about conflict that we see in the life of Jesus. Then they interview psychologist and theologian Dr. Dan Allender, who talks about where conflict comes from, what the purpose of conflict is, and how the Enneagram can help us take a step back and be kind to those around us. Hear more from Dr. Dan Allender: https://theallendercenter.org/

Mar 8, 2022 • 46min
Ep #64: How To Pick A Fight With Each Type w/ Nate Bebout
Have you ever said something in a conversation only to realize that your words immediately caused the other person to go on the defensive? How do we find ourselves in conflict without even meaning to? Today Jesse and Lindsey talk with pastor and Ennagram coach Nate Bebout about the words that will automatically pick a fight with each of the Types. Nate also offers some better words to use in order to keep your conversations and confrontations healthy. Then, in the spirit of conflict, Jesse and Lindsey square up in a game of SuperFight, where they argue why their Type would win in an actual fight.

Feb 22, 2022 • 1h 3min
Ep #63: Justice & the Enneagram w/ Sean Palmer
What does our personality have to do with the way we perceive, process and practice justice? Jesse and Lindsey are joined by author and pastor Sean Palmer as they discuss what each Type brings to the table, as well as pitfalls to avoid, when it comes to doing justice. Then everyone plays Show Me You Know Me, where Sean reveals his zombie apocalypse strategy. Everyone also answers listener questions about justice and the Enneagram.

Dec 14, 2021 • 45min
Ep #62: How to Have Better Conversations + New Year's Resolutions!
In this episode, we bring you some fun for the holidays! First, Jesse and Lindsey show you how to start better conversations by trying out LTN’s Say More cards. The conversation goes from silly to serious as they discuss bad haircuts, struggles about living a life of faith, and what they both hope God says to them when they die. Next, Lindsey presents a practical and simple New Year’s resolution for each Enneagram Type.

Nov 30, 2021 • 43min
Ep #61: Defense Mechanisms & the Enneagram w/ Lisa Vischer
Our identity is precious, and therefore demands defending. But sometimes we end up defending the wrong thing. Jesse and Lindsey are again joined by Enneagram coach Lisa Vischer to talk about the specific tactics we use to defend our false Ego Identity. Lisa first walks through each Type’s Defense Mechanism, and then gives each Type a specific question to help move out of defense and into resting in our true identity in Christ. Lisa and Lindsey also face off in Your Worst Nightmare, where Lisa shocks everyone with her views on potluck dinners. Then everyone answers listener questions about Defense Mechanisms. This episode is part 2 of 2. Hear the first part of the conversation in Episode #60.
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