That UFO Podcast

In Part 1, journalist and The Good Trouble Show host Matt Ford discusses his background, early interest in UFOs, personal experiences, and why stigma continues to shape the conversation.We explore how experiencers are affected by ridicule, why many stay silent for decades, and the human cost of dismissing the phenomenon outright.🎧 Available on all podcast platforms📘 Atlas of UFOs by Andy available now - https://geni.us/AtlasOfUFOsMatt's work - https://linktr.ee/thegoodtroubleshowhttps://uapsummit.org/🔥 Support the show & get bonus content:🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast📲 Connect with the show:Twitter: @UFOUAPAMFacebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO PodcastYouTube: YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcastEmail: UFOUAPAM@gmail.comAll links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapamOfficial Website: ThatUFOPodcast.com👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps!Thanks for listening,Andy

Join Fyfe Symington, former Air Force officer and Arizona Governor, as he shares his own UFO sighting and emphasizes the need for transparency in investigations. Jacques Vallée, a French UFO scientist, presents compelling findings on physical evidence from historic cases. A Chilean Army Captain reveals radar-verified encounters faced by his military, while John Callahan, ex-FAA division chief, discusses the dramatic Japanese 747 radar incident and alleged data suppression. Together, they shed light on the unexplained and call for renewed official attention to UFO phenomena.

Avi Loeb, a Harvard astrophysicist and head of the Galileo Project, discusses the intriguing interstellar object 3I/ATLAS. He delves into its unusual features, including an anti-tail and odd orbital alignments, sparking debates on its origins. The conversation touches on the CIA’s curious silence regarding 3I/ATLAS and the societal stigma surrounding the search for extraterrestrial life. Loeb also critiques narrow search strategies while arguing for bold scientific inquiry to explore potential technosignatures beyond our planet.

The conversation on UFO disclosure is heating up as David Grusch criticizes senior intelligence figures. Key omissions from documentary narratives like crash retrievals and experiencer accounts spark debate. Can these testimonies shift public perception? They also explore the blurred lines of credibility around abduction experiences. Tensions rise as they question the handling of spiritual interpretations and skepticism in interviews. Predictions for the future include a focus on biologics and hope for new whistleblowers, making this a pivotal moment in UFO history.

Ryan, an investigative researcher from 'Unquestionably', delves into the intriguing legacy of Donald Menzel, a WWII cryptographer turned UFO debunker. They discuss how scientific skepticism morphed into strategic counterintelligence tactics, the impact of eyewitness testimony, and the complexities of modern skepticism. The conversation reveals how historical narratives around UFOs may have been manipulated, questioning whether today’s skeptics are unwittingly part of a larger psyop. This thought-provoking dialogue challenges the very foundations of UFO research.

Major developments in the UFO conversation are highlighted. A new book from Luis Elizondo is set for a 2026 release, raising questions about its timing and impact. David Grusch's recent interview reveals insights on crash retrievals and deep-state dynamics, stirring significant online debate. Congressional frustrations over oversight are discussed, alongside the CIA's ambiguous responses regarding the Atlas interstellar object. The episode also teases upcoming interviews and projects, while reflecting on community tensions surrounding disclosure.

In a captivating discussion, researcher Ryan Purkey delves into the life of Donald H. Menzel, a Harvard astronomer and WWII naval intelligence officer pivotal in shaping UFO skepticism. They explore Menzel's prodigious academic rise and his wartime contributions to cryptography and radar. Purkey highlights Menzel’s role in Cold War intelligence and his connections to key UFO events like Roswell. The conversation links historical secrecy practices to today’s UFO cover-up narrative, setting the stage for a deeper understanding of skepticism's roots.

This episode dives into the complexities of UFO disclosure, exploring themes like fatigue and skepticism among the community. Andy discusses intriguing concepts such as underwater UFOs, alien cultures, and the credibility issues faced by prominent figures. He tackles the political limitations of disclosure and the potential societal impact of future revelations. With a focus on upcoming events and listener questions, the conversation is packed with insights on how public attitudes and media responsibility shape the UFO narrative.

Documentary filmmaker James Fox, known for his compelling UFO investigations, dives deep into the Varginha case. He reveals shocking new evidence surrounding alleged crash retrievals and the military's involvement. James shares eyewitness accounts of strange creatures that fuel the mystery, as well as his personal journey from skeptic to believer. With discussions about missing videos and ongoing efforts for transparency, Fox argues this case could be pivotal in the UFO discourse. His passion for the truth shines through as he calls for unity in the community.

Order my new book: https://geni.us/AtlasOfUFOs In this special end-of-year review, Andy is joined by Dan from What It Means to Be Human to look back at the biggest UFO and UAP stories of 2025 and ask what, if anything, actually moved the conversation forward. They discuss Skywatcher and its unfulfilled promises, the year of the whistleblower with figures like Matthew Brown and Dylan Borland, congressional hearings and why they may be losing impact, and the growing divide between entertainment and evidence in the UFO space. The conversation also covers the scientific work on transient objects in historic astronomical data, the release of The Age of Disclosure documentary, Hollywood’s influence on the topic, and why many in the community feel stuck in a holding pattern. Finally, Andy and Dan look ahead to 2026 with predictions on legislation, underwater UAPs, future hearings, and whether disclosure as people imagine it is ever really coming. This is part one of the 2025 review, with listener questions and additional discussion coming in a follow-up episode. Check out Dan's work - https://www.tobehumanshow.com/ 🔥 Support the show & get bonus content: 🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join 🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast 🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397 🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ 🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast 📲 Connect with the show: Twitter: @UFOUAPAM Facebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO Podcast YouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.com All links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapam Official Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com 👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps! Thanks for listening, Andy