

The Curbsiders Internal Medicine Podcast
The Curbsiders Internal Medicine Podcast
Supercharge your learning and enhance your practice with this Internal Medicine Podcast featuring board certified Internists as they interview the experts to bring you clinical pearls, practice-changing knowledge, and bad puns. Doctors Matthew Watto, Paul Williams, and friends (a national network of students, residents, and clinician-educators) deliver a little knowledge food for your brain hole. Yummy! No boring lectures here, just high-value content and a healthy dose of humor. Fantastic for Internal Medicine, Family Medicine, Primary Care, and Hospital Medicine.
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Jun 22, 2020 • 1h 4min
#221 Interstitial Lung Disease with Erin Narewski DO - Breathtaking knowledge and other words of inspiration
Dr. Erin Narewski, a pulmonologist specializing in interstitial lung disease, breaks down the classification, patient history, workup, and management of ILD in this engaging podcast. From favorite movies to book recommendations and career stories, the discussion covers the complexities of diagnosing ILD, treatment options like anti-fibrotics and palliative care, and real-life cases illustrating the challenges and nuances of managing ILD patients. Breathe easy with Dr. Narewski's expert insights!

Jun 18, 2020 • 40min
#220 Social Determinants of Health with Karen DeSalvo MD
We’re going upstream! Dr. Karen DeSalvo (@KBDeSalvo) talks social determinants of health, arming us with a framework to consider this very challenging aspect of patient care. As Society for General Internal Medicine President and Chief Health Officer at Google Health, she shares her clinical and public health experience, including weathering Katrina in New Orleans. While our clinical care largely focuses on the downstream medical consequences, we must recognize the upstream social context to address the barriers to health and wellbeing.
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Credits
Written and Produced by: Emi Okamoto MD
Cover Art: Kate Grant MBChb, MRCGP
Hosts: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP; Emi Okamoto MD
Editor: Matthew Watto MD (written materials); Clair Morgan of nodderly.com
Guest: Karen DeSalvo MD, MPH, MSc
Sponsor: VCU Health CE - Check out curbsiders.vcuhealth.org for and create your FREE account!
Time Stamps
Intro, disclaimer, guest bio 0:44
Dr Desalvo’s one-liner 3:34
Picks of the Week*- The Great Influenza book by John M Barry 5:01
Dr Desalvo’s advice and past experience 6:10
Case from Kashlak 10:30
What about the evidence for social determinants? 13:40
What to do about this in the clinic, and is it worth screening? 16:06
Approaching as a team and with the community 19:40
How do we affect the upstream, before the downstream consequences? 22:40
NAM recommendations and framework 26:00
The role of technology 30:00
What are Social Determinants of Health (SDOH), and who they affect 34:00
Start paying attention to SDOH 37:00
Outro 38:49

Jun 15, 2020 • 58min
#219 Post-Op Fever and Complications with Avital O’Glasser MD
Answers to common questions in post-op care with our Kashlak Chief of Perioperative Medicine Dr. Avital O’Glasser. She provides updates in delirium prevention, perioperative medication management, pain control, and even clarifies a lesson from Meredith Grey about causes of post-op fever.
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Credits
Written: Hannah Abrams MD, Avital O’Glasser MD
Produced by, Infographic and Cover Art by: Hannah Abrams MD
Hosts: Hannah Abrams MD; Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP
Editor: Avital O’Glasser MD (written materials); Clair Morgan of nodderly.com
Guest: Avital O’Glasser MD
Sponsor: ACP - acponline.org/member
Sponsor: VCU Health CE -Check out curbsiders.vcuhealth.org and create your FREE account!
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
02:53 Guest one-liner, Picks of the Week*: 12 Angry Men 1957 Movie; Hedwig and the Angry Inch Cast Recording; PCSSNow Buprenorphine Waiver Training for Medical Students
09:28 Sponsor
10:17 Kashlak case; How to collaborate with our surgical colleagues
13:45 Questions to ask at the time of transfer
23:00 Routine Post-Op Care: Bowel regimen, pain control, delirium prevention, glucose, antihypertensives, and nausea
44:25 Co-managing Complications and Fever/Tachycardia; Brief discussion of VTE prophylaxis
57:55 Outro

Jun 8, 2020 • 1h 6min
#218 Trauma-Informed Care with Megan Gerber MD
Join us as we delve into the paradigm-shifting ethos of trauma-informed care with renowned expert Dr. Megan Gerber, Associate Professor of Medicine at Boston University School of Medicine, Medical Director of Women’s Health for VA Boston where she directs the Women’s Health Fellowship, editor of “Trauma-informed Health Care Approaches: A Guide for Primary Care.” We discuss the framework for trauma-informed universal precautions, as well as basics about the prevalence of trauma, strategies for integrating a trauma-sensitive approach into primary care, practical changes for the office environment, modifications for physical exam methods, and more. We recognize this topic may be triggering. If you are struggling with thoughts of harming yourself, the national suicide prevention lifeline number is 1-800-273-8255.
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Credits
Producer/Writer/Graphics: Beth Garbitelli
Co-Producer: Paul Williams MD
Hosts: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP, Beth Garbitelli
Editor: Molly Heublein MD (written materials); Clair Morgan of nodderly.com
Guest: Megan Gerber MD, MPH, FACP
Sponsor: ACP - Visit acponline.org/member
Sponsor: VCU Health CE - Check out curbsiders.vcuhealth.org and create your FREE account!
Time Stamps
Intro, disclaimer, guest bio (0:00 - 3:15)
Guest one-liner (3:30)
Kashlak Cases (13:45)
Epidemiology of trauma (15:18)
Trauma and #MeToo (18:10)
Defining Trauma-Informed Care (TIC) (19:00)
Integrating TIC into primary care (22:48)
Screening in TIC (25:00)
Containment and retraumatization (29:00)
Inquiring about trauma (30:45)
Recap and Office Visit Mechanics (35:30)
Building the Relationship (38:00)
Common Inquiry Mishaps (38:52)
TIC Physical Exam (40:20)
Resources for Patients (44:30)
Office Environment (48:00)
Provider Burnout (50:00)
TIC in Covid-19 (52:30)
Take-home Points (56:20)

Jun 3, 2020 • 22min
Curious Clinicians Episode 1 - Clubbing
Introducing our friends, The Curious Clinicians:
Why do human bodies work how they do? Why do medications work, or not work? Do you miss digging into the “why” behind what we do every day? Join Hannah Abrams (@hannarabrams), Tony (@tony_breu), and Avi (@AvrahamCooperMD) in the Curious Clinicians podcast as they delve into these questions & more, starting with episode 1: Why does fingernail clubbing happen in so many different diseases? https://curiousclinicians.com/
Check out their website and subscribe on your favorite podcast player.

Jun 1, 2020 • 52min
#217 COVID Cakes the Fourth: ACTT-1, Triple Therapy, PCR, Serology
Stay current with the emerging COVID-19 research including: ACTT-1 (remdesivir), triple therapy with interferon, and conundrums about SARS-CoV-2 PCR and serologic testing. We’re led by the one and only Curbsider/internist/epidemiologist, Rahul Ganatra MD MPH (@rbganatr). And...just in case you live outside of the habitat for murder hornets and your anxiety about the pandemic had begun to abate, we touch on the CDCs guidance to beware of hungry aggressive rats. Gross!
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Credits
Written and Produced by: Rahul Ganatra MD, MPH, Deborah J. Gorth ScM, Emi Okamoto MD, Sarah P. Roberts MPH, and Matthew Watto MD
Cover Art: Deborah J. Gorth ScM
Hosts: Matthew Watto MD, Rahul Ganatra MD MPH, Emi Okamoto MD, and Sarah P. Roberts MPH
Editor: Matthew Watto MD (written materials); Clair Morgan of nodderly.com
Sponsors: ACP and VCU Health CE
Time Stamps
00:00 Sponsors
00:30 Intro, disclaimer
02:40 Fomites, groceries and killer rats
08:22 Sponsor
09:22 ACTT-1 trial of remdesivir
18:22 Triple therapy with lopinavir/ritonavir, ribavarin and interferon
33:10 Background on PCR testing for SARS-CoV-2; How common are false negative PCR tests?
44:25 Serologic testing for SARS-CoV-2; Utility of antibody testing; Test characteristics
50:30 Outro

May 28, 2020 • 1h 6min
#216 Homeless Healthcare with Stefan Kertesz MD
Learn the nuances of caring for and building relationships with patients experiencing homelessness from expert internal medicine and addiction physician Stefan Kertesz, return guest from Episode 74 on Opioids and Health Policy (highly recommend a re-listen, y’all!). Topics: the challenge of creating a welcoming and useful space for individuals experiencing homelessness, how to meet patients where they’re at--both physically and mentally--the challenge of managing diuretics for those without stable access to a bathroom (avoid, if possible), and how absolutely essential the foot exam is.
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Credits
Written and Produced by Nora Taranto MD
Infographics by Nora Taranto MD
Cover Art by Kate Grant MBChB, MRCGP
Hosts: Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP, Nora Taranto MD
Editor: Carolyn Chan (written materials); Clair Morgan of nodderly.com
Guest: Stefan Kertesz MD
Sponsor: VCU Health CE
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro, disclaimer, guest bio
3:17 Guest one-liner
8:55 Picks of the Week*: Dr. Kertesz’s Book Recommendation: Saul Weiner’s On Becoming A Healer; Nora’s Pick of the week: BackStory (especially their episode on dynamite!) https://www.backstoryradio.org/
10:07 Case from Kashlak
10:56 Language: How to ask where a patient lives?
13:25 Terminology: Persons Experiencing Homelessness:
14:35 The stats on prevalence of health and illness in the homeless population, and the importance of both medical and environmental factors
20:44 How to start the visit, and how to establish trust early on?
27:40 Why is the mortality rate higher?
35:15 Special conditions and Medication Considerations: Hypertension, Diuretics, Insulin and Food Insecurity, Substance Use Disorders, Feet, and Hepatitis C
54:15 COVID and homeless healthcare
57:00 Care Models
62:30 Take Home Points and Outro

May 25, 2020 • 51min
#215 Medical Myths: Challenge Dogma with Dr. Douglas Paauw
Chase that metronidazole with a beer! Pop some 30 year old pills! Retrain your brain as our esteemed guest Dr. Douglas Paauw goes over his popular annual ACP presentation on Medical Myths. Learn about how some common medical myths originate and continue in our practice. We discuss why it’s okay to drink on metronidazole, take expired medications, inject epinephrine into extremities and why recurrent sinusitis may not really exist.
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Credits
Written and Produced by: Justin Berk, MD MPH MBA
Infographic and Cover Art: Beth Garbitelli
Hosts: Justin Berk, MD, MPH, MBA; Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP
Editor: Emi Okamoto MD (written materials); Clair Morgan of nodderly.com
Guest: Douglas Paauw, MD
Sponsor: VCU Health CE
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro, disclaimer, guest bio
02:22 Guest one-liner; Career Advice, Picks of the Week*: Being Mortal, book by Atul Gawande; The Band Played On, book by Randy Shilts; Lagunitas Hoppy Refresher: zero alcohol, zero calories!
06:15 Medical Myth Definitions
10:20 Dogma: Metronidazole and Alcohol; Healthy RCT Metronidazole and Alcohol
19:09 Expired Medications; Military Stockpiling Study
24:22 Aspirin and Nitroglycerin; Unopened eye drops; Epi-Pens; Expired Med Recap
31:13 Sinus Headaches; Trigeminal Nerve; Pearl: Recurrent headaches; Study showing Effectiveness of treatment (92%)
41:07 Epinephrine in extremity; RCT of Epi in Extremities
Study showing Experts use it; Podiatry journal
48:39 Take home points and Outro

May 18, 2020 • 52min
#214 COVID Cakes 3: Llamas, Remdesivir, Strokes, Predicting the Future, and More!
Elevate your critical appraisal skills as we review the first RCT of remdesivir and share the latest and greatest COVID-19 stories including: Llama antibodies, Stroke statistics, Future Waves, Exit Strategies and Awake Proning. We’re joined by everyone’s favorite Curbsider/internist/epidemiologist, Rahul Ganatra MD MPH (@rbganatra). Rahul provides critical appraisal of the newest randomized control trial (RCT) on remdesivir from the Lancet, and gives us a lesson on why statistical power is so important to consider. We also share updates on strokes, awake proning, pandemic predictions, and we reveal another reason to love llamas (besides those luscious lashes). Llama mia, here we go again!
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Credits
Written and Produced by: Sarah P. Roberts MPH, Rahul Ganatra MD, MPH, Emi Okamoto MD, Paul Williams MD and Matthew Watto MD
Cover Art: Beth Garbitelli
Hosts: Matthew Watto MD, Paul Williams MD, Rahul Ganatra MD MPH, Emi Okamoto MD , Sarah P. Roberts MPH,
Editor: Matthew Watto MD (written materials); Clair Morgan of nodderly.com
Sponsor: VCU Health CE
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro
02:10 Fun animal facts: Llama antibodies
09:10 Remdesivir RCT by Wang et al
12:40 Power and Sample Size
16:32 Baseline Characteristics, Results and Author’s conclusions
19:15 Rahul’s conclusions: How chance and bias affected the results
24:00 Right censoring; Viral load and timing of antivirals
30:30 Final thoughts on Remdesivir RCT by Wang et al; Looking ahead to the NIAID (ACTT) trial
33:53 Are patients really having fewer strokes and heart attacks?
38:20 Awake proning
43:30 Paul teaches us not to use the term “happy hypoxemic”
45:00 CIDRAP viewpoint on future waves and exit strategies
50:22 Outro

May 11, 2020 • 58min
#213 Fatigue for Primary Care with Nina Mingioni MD - A Common Sense Framework
Listen as our esteemed guest Dr. Nina Mingioni (Jefferson) walks us through her approach to fatigue, from differential diagnosis, to the evidence behind physical exam, laboratory workup, and beyond!
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Credits
Writer, Producer, Infographic, and Cover Art: Hannah R. Abrams
Hosts: Hannah R Abrams, Matthew Watto MD, FACP; Paul Williams MD, FACP
Editor: Matthew Watto MD, FACP (written materials); Clair Morgan of nodderly.com
Guest: Nina Mingioni MD, FACP
Sponsor: VCU Health CE
Time Stamps
00:00 Intro, disclaimer, guest bio and a bad pun
03:00 Guest one-liner
07:10 Case from Kashlak, Defining fatigue; Taking a general history
11:36 Most common causes of fatigue and how to elicit them from the history
20:39 Physical exam for fatigue; Medications that cause fatigue;
25:25 Exam findings and LRs for anemia; Sleep apnea
30:55 Lab workup for fatigue; Expanded testing: Ferritin, Vitamins, EBV, Rheumatologic diseases, Celiac disease, Lyme
47:55 Spiel to the patient when no answer is found
51:14 Other diagnoses to consider: Fibromyalgia, Myalgic Encephalomyelitis
55:09 Take home points and Outro