

Financial Modeler's Corner
Paul Barnhurst AKA The FP&A Guy
Financial Modeler's Corner is a podcast where we talk all about the art and science of financial modeling with distinguished Financial Modeler's from around the globe. Financial Modeler's Corner is hosted by Paul Barnhurst, aka The FP&A Guy, a global thought leader in the field of finance.
The Financial Modeler's Corner podcast is brought to you by Financial Modeling Institute. FMI offers the most respected accreditations in financial modeling.
The Financial Modeler's Corner podcast is brought to you by Financial Modeling Institute. FMI offers the most respected accreditations in financial modeling.
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Nov 18, 2025 • 1h 9min
Testing Shortcut AI's bold claims: Did it live up to the hype with Giles Male
In this episode of The ModSquad on Financial Modeler’s Corner, Paul Barnhurst and Giles Male put Shortcut under the AI microscope, testing one of the most hyped AI tools in the financial modeling world. With claims like “the most accurate Excel agent in the world” and the ability to outperform human champions in modeling tasks, Shortcut has made a big splash, but does it live up to its own bold promises? Paul and Giles run it through a rigorous series of real-world modeling challenges, from esports cases and financial forecasts to dashboard analysis and deferred revenue schedules. What they find is a tool with clear potential, and some serious red flags.Expect to LearnWhere Shortcut impresses with formatting, speed, and usabilityWhere it fails, especially with modeling logic How Shortcut compares to Excel Agent and TabAI across key modeling tasksWhy reversing formatting in a model is a huge red flagWhat to consider when investing in premium AI tools for modelingHere are a few quotes from the episode:“Shortcut has potential, but right now it’s flash over fundamentals.” - Giles Male“Could you imagine an analyst reversing formatting to make a number look negative? They’d be out the door.” - Giles MaleDespite the hype, Shortcut proved to be a solid tool with promise. It delivered impressive formatting and UI, yet had some serious issues like incorrect logic, hardcoded values, and non-balancing models, which held it back. A promising AI assistant, just not a replacement for real modeling expertise.Follow Giles Male:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/giles-male-30643b15/In today’s episode: [01:15] - Intro & Where the AI Modeling Journey Stands[05:11] - Shortcut: First Impressions & Bold Claims[14:28] - Viral Demo Video Breakdown[23:12] - Esports Challenge: Basic Excel Tasks[31:19] - Intermediate Case: Modeling Accuracy[36:10] - Building a 3-Statement Forecast[44:24] - Red Flags: Formatting & Balance Sheet Errors[50:27] - Deferred Revenue Test[56:32] - Trial Balance Dashboard: Visuals vs. Substance[1:07:22] - Final Thoughts & Shortcut's Ranking

Nov 11, 2025 • 52min
How TabAI stacks up as an Excel AI Agent for Financial Modeling Pros, with Ian and Giles
In this episode of The Mod Squad on Financial Modeler’s Corner, Paul Barnhurst, Ian Schnoor, and Giles Male take a close look at TabAI, a tool designed to simplify and speed up Excel tasks using automation and intelligent suggestions. With more tools dropping out of the market and Excel’s own Agent feature gaining ground, the question is simple: Does TabAI offer something worth switching to? From cleaning data and building dashboards to attempting a full five-year forecast, the team puts TabAI through a series of real-world modeling challenges to see what it gets right and where it still falls short.Expect to LearnWhere TabAI shines in helping analysts and where it needs improvement.How does it compare to Excel Agent in terms of speed, usability, and accuracy?Why finance pros still need to understand what’s going on under the hood.What to watch for when relying on tools that promise “done-for-you” modeling.Here are a few quotes from the episode:“Agent was faster, but TabAI handled more advanced stuff better.” - Ian Schnoor“AI is great at building things fast, but one small mistake can make the whole model unusable.” - Giles MaleTabAI turned out to be one of the more impressive tools we’ve tested so far, especially when it comes to everyday Excel tasks and building dashboards. It’s not perfect, especially with full-scale models, but it’s definitely a step in the right direction. For now, it’s a great helper, but you’ll still need your own modeling skills to get the job done right.Follow Ian Schnoor:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianschnoor/Follow Giles Male:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/giles-male-30643b15/In today’s episode: [02:28] - TabAI Leaves Retail[05:17] - Competing with Excel Agent[06:50] - TabAI Feature Overview[10:30] - The “Iron Man Suit” Claim[14:28] - eSports Case Test[23:12] - Dancing Fur Coat Model[29:14] - Trial Balance Dashboard[33:56] - Deferred Revenue Test[38:36] - Full Forecast Model Build[51:10] - Final Thoughts

Nov 4, 2025 • 34min
How AI Excel Tools Stackup Against the Hype and How Excel Agent Has Disrupted the Marketplace with Ian and Giles
In Episode 5 of The ModSquad on Financial Modeler’s Corner, Paul Barnhurst, Ian Schnoor, and Giles Male take a hard look at the changing landscape of financial modeling in the wake of Microsoft’s release of Excel Agent. Since launching at the end of September to coincide with Excel’s 40th birthday, Excel Agent has quickly changed the competitive dynamics for AI-powered modeling tools. The team explores the implications: how Excel Agent’s capabilities compare to other tools, why third-party platforms are shutting down, and what all this means for the future of work in modeling-heavy industries like investment banking.Expect to LearnWhy Excel Agent is pushing competing modeling tools like Rosie AI out of the market.What makes Excel Agent a “magnifier” of both modeling skill and error.How fast AI is evolving inside Excel and what that means for modelers today.Why AI won’t reduce hours in finance, despite speeding up modeling work.What OpenAI’s Project Mercury reveals about the next phase of automation in investment banking.Here are a few quotes from the episode:“You can't hit a prompt, go get a coffee, and expect a working model.” – Giles Male“If you don’t understand what the AI just built, you’re in trouble.” – Ian SchnoorThis episode makes it clear: AI is not a replacement for skill; it’s a multiplier. Excel Agent may be setting the new standard, but success still comes down to human understanding, judgment, and accountability. As the modeling world evolves rapidly, professionals who stay informed and upskill will thrive. The Mod Squad isn’t slowing down either; more tool reviews and sharp conversations are coming.Follow Ian Schnoor:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianschnoor/Follow Giles Male:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/giles-male-30643b15/In today’s episode: [05:29] - AI Tools Recap[07:26] - AI Hype and Hidden Risks[10:23] - AI as a Skill Magnifier[13:48] - Microsoft’s Impact on AI Startups[16:15] - Rapid Evolution of Excel AI[21:29] - OpenAI’s Role in Financial Modeling[29:17] - Understanding Assumptions and Calculations[31:53] - Final Thought

Oct 28, 2025 • 1h 5min
Testing The New Microsoft Excel Agent for Finance Pros with Ian and Giles
In this episode of The ModSquad on Financial Modeler's Corner, Paul Barnhurst, Ian Schnoor, and Giles Male explore Microsoft’s newly released Excel Agent, a beta tool designed to bring AI into Excel Online. The team compares its performance to Rosie AI, running both through a range of tasks, including formula building, audit reviews, and a full five-year model forecast. Along the way, they test the tools against real modeling challenges like the Excel Esports case and a creative custom case, "The Humble MVP." This isn’t just about flashy tech. It’s a deeper conversation on where AI can help, where it falls short, and why core financial modeling skills still matter.Expect to LearnWhat happened when Excel Agent tried to build a full five-year forecast model.Why solid modeling skills still beat "one-click" AI hype.Where AI tools succeed, and fail, in reviewing formulas and detecting issues.Why you should never fully trust AI without understanding what it’s doing.Here are a few quotes from the episode:“Building a model is like flying a plane; you don’t want a rookie in charge when something breaks.” - Ian Schnoor“You can’t hit a prompt, go get a coffee, and expect a working model.” - Giles MaleFollow Ian Schnoor:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianschnoor/Follow Giles Male:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/giles-male-30643b15/In today’s episode: [02:21] - What is an Excel Agent and why does it matter?[05:37] - Sharpen Your Modeling Skills[06:51] - Modeling Requires Human Judgment[09:27] - Esports Case: Rosie AI vs Excel Agent Test[19:39] - Excel Agent Hangs in Beta Mode[25:26] - Testing PVM in the Smoothie Business Case[30:01] - Ian Takes Over: Testing Excel Agent on AFM Model[44:11] - Building a five-year forecast model from scratch[55:19] - Adding a revolver to the model[01:00:12] - Why the balance sheet doesn’t balance[01:03:46] - Final thoughts and takeaways

Oct 21, 2025 • 1h 12min
How Excel AI Agents Like Rosie Work for FP&A Tasks but Fail at Building Models with Giles and Ian
Note: This episode was recorded and scheduled for release before the recent announcement that Rosie AI is shutting down.In this episode of the ModSquad series on Financial Modeler’s Corner, host Paul Barnhurst is joined by modeling experts Ian Schnoor and Giles Male to evaluate Rosie AI, a new tool that integrates with both Excel and Google Sheets. Together, they test its capabilities in building financial models, solving complex FP&A tasks, and performing real-world use cases. They push Rosie through a series of tests, from basic formula creation to building full three-statement models, and discuss where it excels, where it needs improvement, and its potential future in the world of financial modeling.Expect to LearnHow Rosie AI performs in real-world financial modeling tasksThe strengths and weaknesses of Rosie in building models and formulasKey insights into how AI tools are evolving in financial modelingThe importance of knowing how to validate AI-generated modelsHow Rosie compares with other AI tools and traditional financial modeling techniquesHere are a few quotes from the episode:“AI can’t replace the need for modelers to understand the logic, but it can help speed up certain tasks.” - Giles Male“If you know what you’re doing, these tools can save you time. If you don’t, you need to double-check everything.” - Ian SchnoorFollow Ian Schnoor:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianschnoor/Follow Giles Male:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/giles-male-30643b15/Rosie AI: https://www.askrosie.ai/In today’s episode: [02:23] - Excel Turns 40[07:29] - Microsoft’s AI Agent vs. Modeling Tools[16:18] - Exploring Rosie’s Website and Features[25:35] - Real-World FP&A Test: Trial Balance Summary[35:53] - Deferred Revenue Schedule Test[50:54] - Detecting Inconsistent Formulas in Financial Models[01:00:53] - Testing Rosie AI on a Five-Year Forecast Model Build[01:08:31] - Final Thoughts: Where AI Helps and Where It Doesn’t

Oct 15, 2025 • 1h 16min
Testing Excel AI Software Tracelight on Excel Esports, Financial Modeling and FP&A with Ian And Giles
Disclaimer: This episode is best experienced in video format. Since we’re testing new tools like Tracelight, the visuals add valuable context and make everything much clearer. We highly recommend watching the video for the full experience.In this episode of the ModSquad series on Financial Modelers’ Corner, host Paul Barnhurst is joined by modeling experts Ian Schnoor and Giles Male to evaluate Tracelight, a new Excel-based modeling tool. Together, they explore how well it performs across real-world use cases in FP&A, Excel eSports, and corporate finance. From auditing balance sheets to solving Excel battle cases and building five-year forecast models, the ModSquad puts Tracelight through a comprehensive test to assess what it gets right, what it gets wrong, and where it still needs improvement.Expect to LearnHow Tracelight performs across different financial modeling scenariosThe impact of LLM selection and prompt design on tool outputWhere Tracelight excels, and where it falls short, in building models and running checksHow Excel eSports challenges expose strengths and weaknesses in formula logicWhen these tools can save time, and when they create more workHere are a few quotes from the episode:"If you don't know your stuff, you're going to learn the wrong things; or worse, think it's right when it’s not." - Giles Male"The best Excel modellers aren’t the fastest, they’re the most thoughtful."- Ian Schnoor Follow Ian Schnoor:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianschnoor/Follow Giles Male:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/giles-male-30643b15/Tracelight: https://tracelight.ai/In today’s episode: [02:22] - Tracelight Overview & Positioning[09:46] - Giles vs. Excel eSports Battle Case[18:00] - Reviewing Tracelight’s Logic and Output[28:04] - Advanced Test: Championship-Level Modeling[33:59] - AI Tools and the Learning Curve[41:49] - Deferred Revenue Schedule Test[56:26] - Why Doesn’t the Balance Sheet Balance?[1:02:21] - Fixing Balance Sheet Errors Using Cloud Opus[1:316:00] - Episode Wrap-Up and Final Thoughts

Oct 7, 2025 • 37min
Introducing the ModSquad: Testing AI Financial Modeling Tools, So you Don't Have To... with Ian and Giles.
In this special launch episode of The Mod Squad, host Paul Barnhurst is joined by co-hosts Giles Male and Ian Schnoor to explore the evolving intersection of artificial intelligence and financial modeling. Together, they introduce a new podcast series, The ModSquad, designed to test AI tools built for financial modelers, FP&A professionals, and analysts. The trio shares their excitement, cautious optimism, and the pressing questions they hope to answer through hands-on experimentation with cutting-edge tools that promise to transform the modeling landscape. Paul, Giles, and Ian bring decades of combined experience across FP&A, corporate finance, Excel training, and financial modeling accreditation. This introductory episode sets the tone for a candid, unscripted, and deeply analytical journey into the practical realities of AI in finance.Expect to LearnWhy AI won't replace financial modelers, but will transform the way they workHow AI tools are being developed to serve finance professionals specificallyThe importance of judgment, communication, and scoping in effective modelingWhat The Mod Squad plans to test: from three-statement models to Excel esportsHow to prepare your career for the AI revolution in modelingHere are a few quotes from the episode:“Just because it looks cool doesn’t mean it gives you a finished product.” - Giles Male“Modeling is just as much the journey as it is the destination.” - Ian SchnoorFollow Ian Schnoor:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianschnoor/Follow Giles Male:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/giles-male-30643b15/In today’s episode: [01:21] - Introduction of the Episode[04:57] - Why This Series? Helping Modelers Cut Through the AI Noise [09:14] - Fear & Job Security: Will AI Replace Financial Modelers? [14:14]- The Human Element in Modeling: Judgment, Communication, Scoping [21:03] - Series Format: Tools We’ll Test & Why [26:03] - Testing Assignments: Who’s Doing What? [29:03] - FP&A Use Cases Paul Will Explore [35:21] - What to Expect: Raw Prompts, Real Results [36:52] - Closing: Why This Series Matters & How You Can Engage

Sep 30, 2025 • 49min
Financial Modeling for Finance Pros to Fix Real-World Mistakes Using Balance Sheets - Scott Strachan
In this episode of Financial Modeler’s Corner, host Paul Barnhurst speaks with financial modeling expert Scott Strachan about the role of financial models in business planning and decision-making. Scott shares lessons from over 30 years of experience in accounting, consulting, private equity, and corporate finance. The discussion covers the importance of modeling for startups, the problems with annual models, the risks of overrelying on EBITDA, and how the FMI certification has helped him stay sharp in a changing industry. Scott Strachan is a Chartered Accountant and Chartered Financial Modeler who has worked across the UK, the Arabian Gulf, and now serves clients in Qatar and London. He has built and reviewed complex financial models for deals worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and now contributes to the Financial Modeling Institute as a content developer and exam writer. Scott is known for applying practical thinking to modeling and helping bridge the gap between theory and real-world execution.Expect to LearnWhy annual models are often inappropriate for startups and small businessesThe difference between one-time-use models and those built for regular updatesHow poor modeling leads to funding gaps and business failureWhy EBITDA can be misleading in deal evaluationHow preparing for the CFM exam can improve your modeling skillsHere are a few quotes from the episode:“A model is just an appendix to a business plan. If you don’t understand your market or product, no model will save you.” - Scott Strachan“EBITDA is a fantasy land metric. It ignores reality and tells you what you want to hear, not what you need to know.” - Scott Strachan“Every business fails because of bad management, and that often starts with not modeling your cash needs properly.” - Scott StrachanFollow Scott:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/scott-strachan-ca-a795851a4/?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_appFollow Paul: Website - https://www.thefpandaguy.com LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/thefpandaguyYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@thefpandaguyFollow Financial Modeler's Corner: LinkedIn Page- https://www.linkedin.com/company/financial-modeler-s-corner/?viewAsMember=true Newsletter - Subscribe on LinkedIn -https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7079020077076905984Sign up for the Advanced Financial Modeler Accreditation Today and receive 15% off by using the special show code ‘Podcast’. Visit https://bit.ly/497oAqW and use the code “Podcast” to save 15% when you register. In today’s episode: [01:20] - Scott’s Background & Career in Modeling[06:26] - Why Annual Models Often Fall Short[09:11] - Why Startups Need Monthly Models[13:54] - Working Capital Mistakes in Startups[17:59] - Disposable vs. Ongoing Models[26:37] - Thoughts on EBITDA and Adjusted EBITDA[33:31] - Why Models Don’t Replace Business Fundamentals[40:25] - Excel Shortcuts and Modeling Habits[42:43] - Rapid Fire: Modeling Preferences[45:58] - Final Advice & How to Reach Scott

Sep 23, 2025 • 40min
Why Finance Students Must Learn Discipline Before AI Replaces Their Jobs with David Stangeland
In this episode of Financial Modeler’s Corner, Host Paul Barnhurst sits down with David Stangeland, a finance professor at the University of Manitoba, to talk about teaching financial modeling, how students learn best, and the tools that have changed over the years, from PV tables to Excel. David shares what he's learned from more than 30 years in the classroom, why planning is so important in modeling, and how he uses real money investing through a student-managed fund to teach hands-on skills. He also talks about the value of the FMI curriculum, the role of judgment in modeling, and why he still learns something new every time he teaches. David has been teaching at the University of Manitoba’s Asper School of Business since 1991. He has a PhD from the University of Alberta and is both a CPA and a CMA. His research focuses on corporate governance and performance and has been published in top finance journals. He’s co-authored two corporate finance textbooks and currently advises the school’s $2.8 million student-managed investment fund.Expect to LearnThe most common mistakes students make when building modelsHow Excel helps students better understand what they're doingWhy structure and layout matter in a financial modelThe importance of combining modeling with real-world contextHow the FMI curriculum is used in teaching valuation and asset managementHere are a few quotes from the episode:“There’s no one right answer in valuation. It’s about making good assumptions and thinking through your logic to build a credible story.” - David Stangeland“Don’t think you know it all. Always be open to learning and improving. That mindset will take you further than any formula.” - David Stangeland“Spreadsheets aren’t going anywhere. Whether it’s Excel or something else, that flexible grid is still the best way to work with data.” - David StangelandFollow David:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-stangeland-phd-cpa-cma-b-comm-29773946/?originalSubdomain=caFollow Paul: Website - https://www.thefpandaguy.com LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/thefpandaguyYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@thefpandaguyFollow Financial Modeler's Corner: LinkedIn Page- https://www.linkedin.com/company/financial-modeler-s-corner/?viewAsMember=true Newsletter - Subscribe on LinkedIn -https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7079020077076905984Sign up for the Advanced Financial Modeler Accreditation Today and receive 15% off by using the special show code ‘Podcast’. Visit https://bit.ly/497oAqW and use the code “Podcast” to save 15% when you register. In today’s episode: [02:03] - David’s Background[06:36] - Love for Teaching[10:05] - Starting with NPV Tables[13:54] - From Calculators to Excel[22:20] - Teaching with Three-Model Framework[27:54] - Current Projects Outside Teaching[33:19] - Modeling Standards Followed[35:20] - Favorite Lookup Function[37:18] - Advice for Aspiring Modelers

Sep 16, 2025 • 55min
From Classic Cars to Aircraft: The Art of Modeling Distressed Companies with Vaughan Grandin
In this episode of Financial Modeler’s Corner, host Paul Barnhurst welcomes Vaughan Grandin, Managing Director and Head of Financial Modeling at Teneo. They discuss his experiences building financial models in distressed situations, the importance of empathy in working with clients, and provide examples of complex models, including those from the airline, aircraft leasing, and classic car dealership industries.Vaughan Grandin is the Managing Director and Head of Financial Modeling at Teneo in London. He is a Chartered Accountant with the South African Institute of Chartered Accountants and has more than 20 years of experience in corporate advisory, finance, and restructuring. He leads Teneo’s financial modelling team, which supports clients and other advisory teams by creating reliable models for distressed companies, transactions, and stakeholder analysis.Disclaimer: All examples and stories shared in this video are from Vaughan Grandin’s previous roles and do not reflect his current employer.Expect to LearnWhy empathy matters in financial modelingHow to approach modeling in distressed situationsThe role of entity priority models and circular referencesKey principles for building robust financial modelsLessons from real-world modeling cases across industriesHere are a few quotes from the episode:“Empathy is a word I think about a lot in modeling, especially in distressed situations.” - Vaughan Grandin“A good model should be able to take whatever inputs you give it and actually use them to solve a problem.” - Vaughan Grandin“In distressed situations, time pressure is real; sometimes, a company only has weeks of cash left.” - Vaughan GrandinFollow Vaughan:LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/vgrandin/?originalSubdomain=ukCompany - https://www.teneo.com/person/vaughan-grandin/Follow Paul: Website - https://www.thefpandaguy.com LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/thefpandaguyYouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@thefpandaguyFollow Financial Modeler's Corner: LinkedIn Page- https://www.linkedin.com/company/financial-modeler-s-corner/?viewAsMember=true Newsletter - Subscribe on LinkedIn-https://www.linkedin.com/build-relation/newsletter-follow?entityUrn=7079020077076905984Sign up for the Advanced Financial Modeler Accreditation Today and receive 15% off by using the special show code ‘Podcast’. Visit https://bit.ly/497oAqW and use the code “Podcast” to save 15% when you register. In today’s episode: [03:22] - Model Horror Stories [06:52] - Empathy in Modeling [07:55] - Inside Teneo’s Team [12:50] - Classic Car Dealership Model [21:16] - Modeling in Distressed Situations [27:56] - Managing Complexity [32:07] - Aircraft Leasing During COVID [40:31] - Six Elements of Robust Modeling [46:51] - Rapid-Fire Excel Q&A [53:45] - Closing Reflections


