
WolverHeme Happy Hour
Welcome to WolverHeme Happy Hour! This is a podcast dedicated to all things hematology! We discuss new data, debate controversial therapies, and talk about new and exciting research. While we nerd out about data, we'll have a few drinks!
Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed on this podcast are solely those of the podcasters and guests and do not reflect the views or opinions of our employers or other affiliations.
Latest episodes

Oct 7, 2022 • 48min
Episode (3+)7: Straight Outta Roswell - OG AML Data
Finally back from a much needed vacation, in this episode, Anthony and Bernie discuss some of the "OG" data and pharmacology behind key AML therapies.

Jul 21, 2022 • 1h 16min
Episode 6: Dr. StrangeDrug or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Asparaginase
In this episode, Bernie and Anthony do an in-depth dive into the pharmacology, toxicity management, and clinical conundrums with asparaginase therapy, including how and when to monitor asparaginase activity levels (per Papa Heme request!). For those who don't know (and maybe aren't as nerdy as we are), the title is a reference to the 1964 film Dr. Strangelove!

Jun 3, 2022 • 1h 25min
Episode 5: IDH Inhibitors in AML: not so AGILE
In this episode, Bernie Marini and Anthony Perissinotti chat with special guest Charles Foucar, MD, a hematology specialist and expert in the field. We discuss the controversial FDA approval of ivosidenib in combination with azacitidine in newly diagnosed IDH1+ AML, based on the results of the AGILE study: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2117344

May 27, 2022 • 55min
Episode 4: All Aboard the Oncology StewardSHIP
In this episode, Bernie Marini and Anthony Perissinotti are joined by two special guest hematology experts - Lydia Benitez, PharmD, BCOP, and Madeleine Ochs, PharmD, BCOP. Maddy and Lydia help us dive into the topic of Oncology Stewardship, including how we can incorporate Oncology Stewardship into practice to improve outcomes for patients.
Learn more about Oncology Stewardship in AML patients in our hot off the press paper in Annals of Hematology, written by Maddy (first author), Lydia (senior author), and the rest of our leukemia team:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00277-022-04872-1

Apr 22, 2022 • 50min
Episode 3.2: Ranting About Rituximab in Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia
In part two of this two-part episode, Bernie Marini and Anthony Perissinotti discuss the use of rituximab in acute lymphoblastic leukemia (ALL), based on the recent publication of the UKALL14 study (Marks, et al. Lancet Haematol, 2022): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35358441/. We also discuss the previously published GRAALL study that evaluated rituximab in ALL (Maury, et al. NEJM, 2016, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27626518/), and what we can conclude from the literature to date. The data surprises us, and makes us question our own practices!

5 snips
Apr 22, 2022 • 47min
Episode 3.1: History of Acute Lymphoblastic Leukemia Treatment and Building the BFM Backbone
In part one of a two-part episode, Bernie Marini and Anthony Perissinotti take a journey through the history of acute lymphoblastic leukemia treatment throughout the decades and explain how we got to our current standard of care treatment of ALL patients. In part 2 we tackle the UKALL14 study evaluating the addition of rituximab to acute lymphoblastic leukemia therapy.
Some important historical articles that we reference:
Nitrogen mustard therapy: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20997191/
Methotrexate/Aminopterin: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejm194806032382301
Vincristine: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/13627916/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2085431/ and https://www.utpjournals.press/doi/pdf/10.3138/cbmh.17.1.155
6-MP: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/13105700/
Total Therapy: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/5237796/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/5279904/
BFM: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/320377/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23700050/
This episode is dedicated to the late Don Pinkel (9/7/1927 - 3/9/2022), a pioneer in the treatment of childhood ALL. Read more about his legacy here: https://cancerletter.com/obituary/20220318_4/ and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41375-022-01562-9.pdf and https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/childhood-leukemia-untreatable-dr-don-pinkel-st-jude-180959501/

Mar 18, 2022 • 45min
Episode 2: We Don't Talk About Rylaze
Bernie Marini and Anthony Perissinotti discuss asparaginase, the data (or lack thereof) behind the FDA approval of Rylaze (Erwinia asparaginase), and concerning trends regarding switches between asparaginase products in clinical practice!

Mar 11, 2022 • 26min
Episode 1: Surrogate Endpoints in AML
Bernie Marini and Anthony Perissinotti discuss the following paper on whether or not event-free survival (EFS) is an appropriate surrogate endpoint for overall survival (OS) in AML:
Norsworthy KJ, et al. Response Rate, Event-Free Survival, and Overall Survival in Newly Diagnosed Acute Myeloid Leukemia: US Food and Drug Administration Trial-Level and Patient-Level Analyses. J Clin Oncol. 2022 Mar 10;40(8):847-854. PMID: 34890212.