
Micro-Frontends in the trenches
Welcome to "Micro-Frontends in the Trenches," a podcast where Luca Mezzalira interviews practitioners from all over the world sharing their experiences. Learn how to scale your organisation and teams, optimising for fast flow and independence in the trenches.
From fixing problems to organisation structure, we cover it all. Whether you're new to web development or a pro, this podcast has something for you.
Latest episodes

Nov 14, 2024 • 58min
The Module Federation Revolution with Zack Jackson from ByteDance
Zack Jackson, an infrastructure architect at ByteDance and the mastermind behind Module Federation, delves into the evolution and impact of this revolutionary technology. He shares fascinating insights into the newly launched Module Federation 2.0, including support for multiple bundlers. Discussions also highlight its innovative applications in industries like electric vehicles and gaming. Zack candidly addresses challenges in maintaining the Next.js plugin and reveals his ambitious plans for the future, promising even more evolution in the module-loading landscape.

Oct 31, 2024 • 32min
Generative AI + Micro-Frontends + Community = WebCrumbs with Julia Machado
In this engaging conversation, Julia Machado, the founder of WebCrumbs.org, shares her journey and the inspiration behind WebCrumbs, a platform designed to make micro-frontends more accessible for developers, especially those working on smaller-scale applications.
Julia discusses the innovative components of WebCrumbs and highlights the advantages of adopting micro-frontends in various projects. She introduces the concept of a "global micro-frontend platform" and its potential to transform collaboration among developers across different companies. Additionally, Julia addresses comparisons between WebCrumbs and Vercel v0, shedding light on how both platforms are evolving in response to growing expectations in the tech landscape.
Tune in to hear Julia's vision for the future of collaborative development using micro-frontends and discover how WebCrumbs is paving the way for a more inclusive approach to web development.
Links from the episode:
- WebCrumbs
- I Found a Tool Even Better than v0

Oct 9, 2024 • 46min
From minutes to seconds: deploy in a flash with Zephyr Cloud! - Zackary Chapple
In this episode of "Micro-Frontends in the Trenches," we speak with Zack, co-founder of Zephyr Cloud, about how their platform is changing the landscape of micro-frontend deployment.
Zack shares insights into how Zephyr Cloud operates, allowing developers to deploy updates in seconds instead of minutes or more. This rapid deployment to the edge enhances the feedback loop, enabling teams to iterate on their code more efficiently.
Zack also discusses the platform's flexibility, which supports various frameworks and cloud providers without locking teams into a specific technology stack. With minimal setup required—just 1 line of code to get started—Zephyr Cloud aims to simplify deployment processes and allow developers to concentrate on coding.
This episode offers practical insights for those involved with micro-frontends or looking to enhance their deployment strategies. Zephyr Cloud presents a thoughtful approach to improving how modern web applications are built and deployed.
Zephyr Cloud: https://www.zephyr-cloud.io

Sep 5, 2024 • 46min
Next.js future is distributed: how @VercelHQ is implementing micro-frontends with Malte Ubl
In this special episode, we’re thrilled to welcome a superstar guest—Malte Ubl, the CTO of Vercel!
Vercel has been making waves in the web development world, and today, Malte gives us an insider’s perspective on how they’re approaching micro-frontends and what this means for developers like you.
Join us as we chat with Malte about Vercel’s vision for micro-frontends and the innovative architecture they’re building to support them. We dig into the pivotal role React Server Components are playing in this strategy and how these components are set to change the game for performance and scalability on the web.
Malte also shares some exciting updates on when we might start seeing micro-frontends integrated into Vercel and Next.js, offering a glimpse into the future of web development with these cutting-edge tools.

Jul 16, 2024 • 38min
From UX Analysis to Micro-Frontend Systems by Natalia Venditto from Microsoft
Join us for an insightful interview with Natalia Venditto from Microsoft. We kick things off by exploring the microfrontend.dev website she created, a valuable resource for developers interested in this cutting-edge approach. Natalia shares her thoughts on when it's best to use micro-frontends, offering clear guidance on scenarios where this architecture can provide significant benefits. We also delve into the differences between composable and micro-frontends architecture, helping you understand which method might be the best fit for your project needs.
In the second part of our conversation, Natalia opens up about her personal journey and extensive experience with micro-frontends, providing practical insights and tips drawn from real-world projects. Additionally, we discuss the role of generative AI in the world of micro-frontends, exploring the impact AI will have on this architecture.
Resources mentioned in the episode:
- Micro-frontends website
- React Conf
- Micro-frontends newsletter

Jun 11, 2024 • 40min
Migration to Micro-Frontends at Postman with Ruben Casas
Are you ready to dive deep into the intricate world of micro-frontends? In this episode, we sit down with Ruben Casas, a seasoned staff engineer at Postman, to explore one of the most challenging yet rewarding transformations in modern software development.
Discover the driving forces behind Postman's decision to migrate to micro-frontends and uncover the strategies that enabled multiple teams to seamlessly modularize their frontend applications. Learn how Postman scaled workloads across their organization, ensuring efficiency and agility.
But beware! Ruben warns us multiple times: migrations are never easy. What hurdles did they encounter? How did they overcome seemingly insurmountable obstacles? Ruben's firsthand experience offers invaluable insights and lessons that you won't want to miss.
Don't miss out on this exclusive behind-the-scenes look at Postman's migration.

Apr 29, 2024 • 44min
Micro-Frontends made simple - Piral, Blazor and the micro-frontends conference with Florian Rappl
In this episode of Micro-Frontends in the trenches, we dive deep into the benefits of Piral, a micro-frontends framework. With Florian, we explore how it's simplifying the way developers approach building micro-frontends applications.
Florian also discusses his involvement in organizing the upcoming micro-frontends conference, giving us a sneak peek into the exciting lineup of speakers and sharing the success of the 1st edition.
But that's not all!
Florian also shares his insights on Microsoft's Blazor, a .NET frontend web framework that supports both server-side rendering and client interactivity in a single programming model. Learn how Blazor was created and how micro-frontends can work hand-in-hand to create web experiences in the C# ecosystem.
As usual, I packed 45 minutes with plenty of insights from thought leaders in the micro-frontends community. Don't miss this opportunity to learn from one of the industry's most respected voices.
So, sit back, relax, and get ready to discover the secrets to mastering micro-frontends with Florian Rappl!
Content discussed in this episode:
Piral: https://piral.io
Micro-Frontends Conference: https://conference.microfrontends.cloud
Blazor: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/blazor/?view=aspnetcore-8.0
Florian on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/florian-rappl/
The Art of Micro-Frontends: https://microfrontends.art
The Micro-Frontends newsletter (FREE): https://www.buildingmicrofrontends.com/

Apr 2, 2024 • 46min
Structuring Teams & Culture with Micro-frontends: Expert Strategies by Matteo Figus @ AWS
In this interview, Matteo delves into crucial elements for succeeding with distributed systems like team structure, diversity, culture, automation, and developer tools, shedding light on their pivotal roles in the micro-frontend ecosystem.
Discover how to structure teams effectively, ensuring diverse perspectives that empower every team member to excel. Matteo emphasizes the significance of fostering a culture conducive to innovation and collaboration. Learn about the transformative power of automation in overcoming challenges and streamlining processes. This investment will lead to fearless implementation of your micro-frontends providing efficiency and scalability.
Don't miss out on this opportunity to gain firsthand knowledge from an industry expert! Watch the full interview now not only on YouTube but also you can listen it on Spotify. Upgrade your understanding of micro-frontends and revolutionize your approach with proven techniques provided by a pioneer in this field!
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Mar 28, 2024 • 44min
A data-driven approach for selling Micro-Frontends to your Boss! - Warren Fitzpatrick @ Dunelm
In this episode of "Micro-Frontends in the trenches", I host Warren Fitzpatrick, Principal Engineer at Dunelm.
Warren shares a fantastic data-driven approach to sell micro-frontends to your managers, providing real examples on how to expose the right data points, moving away from the technology side and focusing on the delivery.
Moreover, Warren shares Dunelm take on testing strategies for micro-frontends.
An unmissable episode if you are serious to know more about this frontend architecture that is changing the way organisation decentralise their activities.
Warren Fitzpatrick on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/warren-fitzpatrick-b1885263/
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Mar 28, 2024 • 44min
How to enable Frontend teams with Micro-frontends - Max Gallo @ DAZN
Welcome to the first episode of "Micro-Frontends in the trenches" a series where you will discover the insights from the trenches of practitioners implementing micro-frontends.
In the first episode, Max Gallo, Distinguished Engineer at DAZN, shares his experience on how DAZN implemented micro-frontends on living room devices and web platforms, emphasizing the importance of decentralization and team autonomy. Max shares valuable best practices, providing a clear roadmap for adopting micro-frontends architectures. Whether you're a developer or tech enthusiast, Max's expertise offers practical insights to improve your approach.
Max Gallo's micro-frontends live project: https://www.manning.com/liveproject/building-micro-frontends-with-a-team-based-vertical-architecture
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