

VS
Poetry Foundation
The VS podcast is a bi-weekly series where poets confront the ideas that move them. Hosted by poets Ajanaé Dawkins and Brittany Rogers, produced by Cin Pim/Ombie Productions, and presented by the Poetry Foundation.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Apr 25, 2023 • 51min
Alexis Pauline Gumbs vs. Chasing Awe
On this week’s episode, Brittany and Ajanae sit down with Alexis Pauline Gumbs; during this interview, they discuss the gift of literary inheritance, unlearning the colonial lens, and allowing curiosity and awe to guide one’s research practice. Alexis also discusses the process of writing a biography on Audre Lorde, a longtime teacher and guide.
Until Next Time:
Here are some pieces of media to accompany your experience of the episode, and a writing prompt to tide you over until we meet again!
Fannie Lou Hamer- Songs My Mother Taught Me
Fred Hampton-Fred Hampton on Revolution And Racism
Dionne Brand- History as Imagination: Black Dreaming as Liberation | Project Myopia
Writing prompt: For a week, read a poem of a writer you admire every day before writing. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Apr 11, 2023 • 1h
Jos Charles Vs. Younger Jos
On today’s episode, Brittany and Ajanae have the pleasure of interviewing Jos Charles. Over the course of this interview, they discuss finding beauty and healing and revisiting younger versions of ourselves, the ways that neurodivergence shapes our writing practice, and the way that devotion has shifted their poetics over time. We also get a surprise pop in from Jos’ cat, Faye!
Until Next Time
Edouard Glissant: Homage to Edouard Glissant, Martinique’s whole world poet
Johann Sebastian Bach: Trio Sonate No. 5 in C major, BWV 529 (Bach Organ Works in February)
Emily Dickinson: Fame is a bee. (1788) by Emily Dickinson | Poetry Foundation Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Mar 28, 2023 • 1h 4min
Golden vs. The Self Portrait
In this episode, Ajanae and Brittany spend time in conversation with their guest, Golden; listen as they discuss creating a living archive, their space in the lineage of Black Formalist poets, and the ways that self-portraits have shaped their writing practice. Golden also discusses the process of placing their second collection, and leaning into the vulnerability of writing about the self.
Until Next Time:
Deana Lawson: Deana Lawson’s Nation
Danez Smith: Danez performs Summer Somewhere
Golden’s family: BTS Glimpse at Golden's Family Archive Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Mar 14, 2023 • 55min
Toi Derricotte vs. Stillness
This week, Ajanae and Brittany have the honor of interviewing Toi Derricotte. The trio speak candidly about preparing for death, the complexity of being a Black women poet, and the origin story of Cave Canem. They also explore the importance of community, trust, and intimacy as tools for survival.
Until Next Time:
Ruth Stone: Ruth Stone's Vast Library of The Female Mind
Galway Kinnell: Wait
Lucille Clifton: On What Poetry Is
James Baldwin: From Meeting the Man
Writing Prompt:
While we wait for the next episode, we challenge you to set your intentions by writing a haiku each morning! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Feb 28, 2023 • 54min
Jericho Brown Vs. Process of Elimination
Brittany and Ajanae conclude their mini-tour of the South by interviewing Jericho Brown; in this conversation, the trio discuss breaking bad writing habits, navigating career longevity, and the things that bring them delight (spoiler alert: friendship, r&b and Beyoncé are on the list)!
Until Next Time:
Here are some pieces of media to accompany your experience of the episode, and a writing prompt to tide you over until we meet again!
Earth Wind and Fire: Fantasy
Poets of the late 1950’s
The Black Church: The Role of Music
Prompt: Make a playlist of the music that has most deeply shaped your writing. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Feb 14, 2023 • 1h 4min
Mia S. Willis vs. The Black Proverb
On this weeks episode, Brittany and Ajanae continue their mini-tour of Atlanta with an interview with Mia. S. Willis. During this conversation, they discuss learning to slow down, avoiding the “full length” book pressure, and language as a material culture; they also think fondly on friendship, connection, and Black colloquialisms.
Until Next Time:
Here are some pieces of media to accompany your experience of the episode, and a writing prompt to tide you over until we meet again!
Scott Willis: For a taste of his energy, listen to: Ja Rule- Livin It Up
James Baldwin: 4 Must See Interviews With James Baldwin
June Jordan: Notes on the Peanut
Writing prompt: Make time this week to write poems that you won’t share with anyone. Note any shifts in your experience with the process. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jan 31, 2023 • 52min
Maya Marshall vs. Priorities
Join us this week in Atlanta, where Brittany and Ajanae sit down with Maya Marshall to discuss Maya’s debut collection, All the Blood Involved in Love (Haymarket Press). This conversation centers around choice, obligation and priorities, both on and off the page. Listen as they navigate falling in love, managing illness, choosing between work and family, and much more!
Until Next Time:
Here are some pieces of media to accompany your experience of the episode, and a writing prompt to tide you over until we meet again!
Charles Bukowski: The Difference Between a Bad Poet and a Good one is Luck
Nina Simone: Nina Simone Little girl blue
Black Woman Barista at Coffee Shop
Writing Prompt: Write a poem where the reader gets to choose their own ending. This may involve writing the poem in multiple stanzas or sections and asking the reader to skip ahead. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jan 17, 2023 • 56min
Naomi Shihab Nye vs. Secret Lives
This week, Brittany and Ajanae talk with guest Naomi Shihab Nye about the joy and wonder of youth, poets as vessels, editing as an act of devotion, and the complexity of becoming multiple selves over the course of a lifetime. Join them as they process the possibilities that can emerge over a lifetime of being immersed in poetry.
Until Next Time
Here are some pieces of media to accompany your experience of the episode, and a writing prompt to tide you over until we meet again!
Carl Sandburg: Carl Sandburg- Poet of the People
Mahmoud Darwish: To a Young Poet by Mahmoud Darwish | Poetry Magazine
E.B white: All nearness pauses while a star can grow
Prompt: Create a map. Make each plot point a past, current or future version of yourself. What is significant about each location? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Jan 3, 2023 • 1h 2min
Lupe Mendez vs. Reverence
On this week’s episode, Brittany and Ajanae continue their mini tour of the South in Houston, Texas. Next, they talk with Texas Poet Laureate Lupe Mendez about familial responsibility, masculinity, education, and the preservation of memory.
Until Next Time:
Here are some pieces of media to accompany your experience of the episode, and a writing prompt to tide you over until we meet again!
José Alfredo Jiménez - El Ultimo Trago
Janet Jackson - Rhythm Nation
Sylvia Plath - Daddy
Prompt: Write a singular moment or story from three separate generations of your family. The stories do not have to have any obvious connection. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Dec 22, 2022 • 50min
Joy Priest vs. Absurdity
On this week’s episode, Brittany and Ajanae travel to Houston, Texas for the first interview of their (mini) South tour. There, they talk with Joy Priest about landscape, road trips, the process of creating, putting together a collection, and what happens when Blackness meets theory.
Until Next Time:
Here are some pieces of media to accompany your experience of the episode, and a writing prompt to tide you over until we meet again!
Read: Sharon Olds - “The Unborn” “After Making Love in Winter”
Patricia Smith - “When Burning Begins”
Terrence Hayes - “American Sonnet for My Past and Future Assasin”
Prompt: Write your own theory of living. Consider: What things must be present for you to feel sustained? What truths ground you? What are the facts that make you possible? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


