

With Pace
Payson McElveen
Professional mountain biker Payson McElveen sits down with some of the biggest names in sports and adventure to get an inside look at what sets them apart. With no script, the casual conversations are as diverse as the guests, with topics ranging from harrowing tales of survival, to debates on current events, to everyday tips and tricks and everything in between. As Payson travels the world for his two-wheeled day job, listen in as he rubs shoulders with and learns from some of the most inspiring athletes, entrepreneurs, academics, and others as they chase and inspire greatness.
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May 1, 2020 • 36min
One Year Anniversary Episode with Reggie Miller
In celebration of The Adventure Stache turning one year old, Payson visited Reggie Miller, the show's first ever guest, at his home outside Los Angeles. Along with filming the first episode of "StacheTV", the new sibling YouTube series to the podcast, they sit down to discuss what legacy means to Reggie, his ever-growing ambitions in cycling, and an epic never-before-told story about Kobe Bryant. Head to Payson's YouTube channel to watch the YouTube video from this visit, where Reggie shows no mercy in a game of PIG, and Payson helps Reggie conquer some challenging switchbacks on his local trail. Instagram: @withpacepodYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc

Apr 28, 2020 • 1h 26min
Quarantine Companion #2 with Rahsaan Bahati
In this episode of Quarantine Companion, Payson and Justin are joined by cyclist Rahsaan Bahati, whose twenty-year career in criterium and track racing included ten national championship titles and multiple appearances on the USA Cycling Worlds team. They talk about his career and transition into activism through his creation of the Bahati Foundation, which works to promote the health and education of inner-city youth through cycling, and his current role as Social Impact Manager for Zwift. Other topics include his childhood in Compton, his unlikely introduction to cycling, and how he became one of Justin’s closest mentors when Justin was an aspiring teenager. They also swap favorite jokes, discuss Rahsaan’s time as a member of the controversial Rock Racing team in the 2000's, and share some opinions about his unconventional quarantine essentials which include airplane simulators and Zombie Dust. Instagram: @withpacepodYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc

Apr 21, 2020 • 57min
Quarantine Companion #1 with co-host Justin Williams
In this first installment of Quarantine Companion, Payson is joined by co-host Justin Williams to lay the groundwork for this new limited series. They talk about how they’re getting by in the age of social distancing and lockdowns, including what books they’re reading, what snacks they’re consuming, how they’re maintaining motivation to train, and what their daily schedules and workflows look like. They also give some hints about what’s in store for future episodes of Quarantine Companion, including big name guests, shoe choices, and maybe even some listener-included push-up challenges. Instagram: @withpacepodYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc

Apr 14, 2020 • 1h 11min
Brook MacDonald, downhill mountain biker
Brook MacDonald is one of the best downhill mountain bikers in the world and has snagged multiple podium spots on the UCI World Cup circuit since he began racing professionally in 2011. Known as “The Bulldog” for his fearless, full-throttle racing style, Brook is no stranger to injury, and 2019 saw the most brutal setback of his career so far. At Mountain Bike World Championships in Quebec in September, he fractured his spine in two places and lost feeling in his legs, leaving his future on and off the bike uncertain. In this interview, Payson sits down with Brook to talk about the injury and how the crash itself was just the beginning of a grueling saga that left him on the mountain and without sufficient medical help for nearly five hours. They talk about his recovery process and celebrating the little victories, which other athletes he’s taken inspiration from during this process, and why he isn’t afraid to start racing again. They also talk about his love of road racing and its importance in his training, and why you might be seeing him at the Olympics in the future in a completely different cycling discipline. A New Zealand native, Brook also shares some of his favorite (explicit) Kiwi slang, and why driving in the U.S. has a steep learning curve. Instagram: @withpacepodYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc

Apr 7, 2020 • 1h 37min
Justin Williams round 2, road cyclist
Justin Williams returns to the podcast after appearing for the first time in episode 48 with Kate Courtney and Colin Strickland. In this episode, he and Payson confront some controversial topics, including the death and legacy of basketball superstar Kobe Bryant, social media backlash, and why we should accept the shades of gray in the lives of influential public figures rather than choose to only see black or white. They also swap stories of their worst racing experiences, including a food shortage in Uruguay and fermented mare's milk in Mongolia, and Justin tells Payson about winning a cross country race in Belize that has special significance for his family, and the time he won a professional road race on a borrowed women's bike. Justin's cycling career started in his early teens and has included multiple national titles, including both the road and criterium races at the Elite National Championships in 2018. As one of the small number of professional cyclists of color, he has prioritized inclusivity and representation in a sport that still lacks diversity. In 2019, he and his brother and fellow racer Cory Williams founded their own team, Legion of Los Angeles, which seeks to elevate the careers of cyclists from diverse backgrounds. Instagram: @withpacepodYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc

Mar 29, 2020 • 1h 11min
Larissa Connors, mountain biker
Larissa Connors is a two-time winner of both the Leadville 100 mountain bike race and Belgian Waffle Ride. Payson caught up with her at her home in Orange County, California in February to talk work/life balance, over-training, and why she has unfinished business in Leadville. They also talk about why she’s glad she doesn’t live near any of her toughest racing competitors, how she manages to maintain her infant daughter’s breastfeeding schedule while training for races and working full-time as a math teacher, and how her work in the classroom allows her to find a consistent source of self-worth that is so elusive in the unpredictable world of professional cycling. Known for her love of extreme physical challenges, Larissa also has a few cautionary tales up her sleeve, including the time she did five 100 mile mountain bike races in less than six weeks, and her first (and last) experience at La Ruta de los Conquistadores in Costa Rica when she nearly died of kidney failure and found herself alone in a rural hospital in the jungle with nothing but the kit she was wearing and a very limited understanding of Spanish.Instagram: @withpacepodYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc

Mar 25, 2020 • 1h 35min
Sarah Bidgood, nuclear nonproliferation expert
Sarah Bidgood is a leading nuclear nonproliferation expert and Director of the Eurasian nonproliferation program at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies. As a specialist in US-Russia cooperation in nuclear security, she has written books, appeared on news outlets such as CNN, and presented her research at the United Nations in Geneva. In this conversation, Sarah and Payson talk about why the US-Russia rivalry is still so contentious decades after the Cold War, the advantages to working at a think tank rather than in a government position, why some countries are racing to arm themselves with nuclear weapons while others voluntarily renounce theirs, and what the best case scenario is for denuclearization in a world that has already seen destruction on a mass scale from atomic bombs. They also talk about why the “us vs. them” mentality in relation to our supposed adversaries is no longer relevant in today’s world, and why it’s in America’s best interest to denuclearize in spite of its desire to retain its global standing. Making a cameo appearance in the interview is Sarah’s husband and mountain bike mechanic Brad Copeland, who jumps in to ask a few of his own questions, and Payson asks for Sarah’s opinion of professional sports. Sarah is speaking in her own individual capacity in this interview. Instagram: @withpacepodYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc

Mar 18, 2020 • 1h 25min
"The Mid South" Q&A Special: Payson answers your questions
Following Payson’s win at the historically muddy “The Mid South” gravel race, many asked for a Q&A episode giving a look inside the race. In this episode, Payson responds to the questions you've been submitting over the past few days about the race, including why he chose to use slick tires for one of the muddiest races on record, how he kept his head in the game and managed to catch the lead group after early setbacks, his power, heart rate, calorie, and other race data, and his thoughts about the scarcity of live coverage of the women's race in relation to the men's. He also addresses the elephant in the room that many of you brought up in your questions: how he felt about competing in the race during the escalation of COVID-19, and whether or not he would have done things differently in hindsight. Instagram: @withpacepodYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc

Mar 9, 2020 • 1h 19min
Nik Hawks: veteran, entrepreneur, athlete
Nik Hawks is an entrepreneur, athlete, and veteran (Navy SEAL). Among his many pursuits, he is a paraglider, writer, podcaster, Red Bull athletic performance consultant, and founder of a paleo dessert company. In this conversation, Nik talks to Payson about why it took him three tries to complete the Leadville 100 ultramarathon, choosing between health and athletic performance in regards to diet, what it’s like working within the individually-minded world of elite athletes as opposed to the team-oriented world of the military, why he loves being underestimated by strangers, and his distaste for being pigeon-holed as a Navy SEAL. He also opens up about his struggle reintegrating with civilian life which led to a close brush with suicide, and how transitions such as his are not unique to veterans, and are actually universal. Instagram: @withpacepodYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc

Mar 3, 2020 • 1h 12min
Tyler Jewell, Red Bull athlete performance coach
Tyler Jewell is an athlete performance coach at Red Bull, and has been instrumental in helping athletes reach the heights of their sports and come back from injuries. In this conversation, Tyler talks about his early career as a two-time Olympic snowboarder, why he doesn't necessarily like the word "talent", how years of persistent relationship building was key to creating a successful coaching career, and why he often favors on-the-spot training plans rather than the industry standard ones. He also talks about how his dyslexia diagnosis as a child helped him realize the importance of different modes of learning, and how this experience still resonates in his approach to coaching athletes. Instagram: @withpacepodYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc