

With Pace
Payson McElveen
Professional mountain biker Payson McElveen sits down with some of the biggest names in sports and adventure to get an inside look at what sets them apart. With no script, the casual conversations are as diverse as the guests, with topics ranging from harrowing tales of survival, to debates on current events, to everyday tips and tricks and everything in between. As Payson travels the world for his two-wheeled day job, listen in as he rubs shoulders with and learns from some of the most inspiring athletes, entrepreneurs, academics, and others as they chase and inspire greatness. 
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Oct 30, 2025 • 18min
Gravel Burn stage 5 recap with Tom Pidcock
 Tom Pidcock, a professional multi-discipline cyclist, joins to share his excitement after winning Stage 5 of Gravel Burn. He discusses the challenges of the 2500-foot climb and why he took a break from his off-season for this adventure. Tom also recaps his recent double-header at Il Lombardia and UCI Gravel Worlds, explaining the logistics and race choices involved. He shares fun anecdotes about camping and wildlife encounters during the race, highlighting the unique challenges and thrills of gravel cycling. 

Oct 30, 2025 • 41min
Gravel Burn stage 4 recap with Lukas Baum and Georg Egger
 Lukas Baum, a professional off-road racer and co-founder of Speed Company, and Georg Egger, his racing partner and co-founder, share their thrilling journey in the world of gravel racing. They discuss the strategic maneuvers that shook up the Gravel Burn stage and the impact of a costly flat tire on Lukas's standings. The duo reflects on their grassroots beginnings, the allure of stage races, and their memorable Cape Epic victory. Lukas also candidly critiques American gravel while revealing insights from their tactical playbook during grueling crosswinds. 

Oct 28, 2025 • 30min
Gravel Burn stage 3 recap with Simon Pellaud
 Simon Pellaud, a professional cyclist known for his versatility across road, gravel, and mountain-bike events, shares his insights after winning Stage 3 of Gravel Burn. He recounts the emotional impact of witnessing a crash during the race and how it affected his focus. Simon discusses his reasons for racing in multiple disciplines this year and reflects on the tactical moves that secured his stage win. He humorously addresses his consistent second-place finishes and reveals his exciting plans for the next season. 

Oct 27, 2025 • 20min
Gravel Burn stage 2 recap with Haley Smith
 Haley Smith, a professional off-road cyclist and stage racing expert, joins to recap her thrilling experience at Gravel Burn stage 2. She shares her excitement about racing alongside WorldTour pros and reflects on a challenging year as she rebuilt her fitness after long COVID. Haley details the dramatic final sprint for third and the rugged terrain of the Karoo. They discuss the tight competition in the women's field, stage racing tactics, and the growing prize money in off-road events, highlighting the evolution of the sport. 

Oct 26, 2025 • 27min
Gravel Burn stage 1 recap with Axelle Dubau-Prévot and Hugo Drechou
 Axelle Dubau-Prévot, the recent French gravel national champion, and Hugo Drechou, an experienced French cyclist, dive into their experiences at Stage 1 of Gravel Burn. Axelle shares her stunning tactics and mindset, which led her to victory despite treating the race as a holiday. Hugo details a thrilling podium finish with a sprint strategy and the challenge of racing against mountain biking legends. They also discuss the importance of staying calm during competitions and their upcoming strategies for the longer stage ahead. 

Oct 26, 2025 • 28min
Gravel Burn preview
 Get ready for an intense seven-day journey through South Africa's Gravel Burn! Discover the challenging routes, including steep climbs and rough terrains, with highlights like the brutal opener and potential breakaway stages. Key riders like Tom Pidcock and Alison Jackson make appearances, promising fierce competition. Payson shares health updates as he navigates his own race journey while enjoying the event’s professional organization and unique media experiences. Weather conditions add an unpredictable twist, setting the stage for an unforgettable adventure! 

Oct 26, 2025 • 1h 18min
Big Sugar recap with Paige Onweller
 Paige Onweller, a gravel racer and commentator from Northwest Arkansas, shares her deep insights into the dramatic conclusion of the 2025 Life Time Grand Prix. She discusses last-minute course changes and their impact on race strategy, highlighting how tactical decisions shaped both the men's and women's fields. Paige also opens up about her recovery journey after being hit by a car, and her new mission advocating for cyclist safety. From thrilling race dynamics to personal resilience, this conversation is full of inspiration and adrenaline. 

Oct 18, 2025 • 1h 11min
Little Sugar recap with Andrew L’Esperance, points analysis, and listener experiences
 Andrew L’Esperance, a professional off-road cyclist with a rich background in mountain biking and marathon racing, offers insights on his impressive third-place finish at Little Sugar. He shares the tactical dynamics of the race, revealing pivotal moments that shaped his performance. Andrew also discusses his unique tire choices and the impact of feed zones on the chase. He highlights his season's journey from Cape Epic to the Grand Prix, emphasizing training adjustments and nutrition strategies that contributed to his consistency. Tune in for his thoughts on the upcoming Big Sugar! 

Oct 13, 2025 • 1h 33min
Dylan Johnson on the mental toll of injury recovery and the story behind his YouTube channel
 Over the past handful of years, Dylan Johnson has emerged as one of the key voices in gravel through his YouTube channel, where he does deep dives on everything from drivetrain efficiency and crank length to tire size and science-backed training tips. At the same time, he’s been rising through the ranks of gravel racing, competing in the Grand Prix every year and taking a top 10 at Unbound in 2025. This year, however, he was sidelined with a broken tibia after being hit by a truck just before the second round of the Grand Prix. Payson sat down with Dylan in Bentonville shortly before Little Sugar to talk about how his YouTube channel developed, how it fits in with his coaching business and training, and how much he’s improved as a cyclist since his early days in collegiate racing. They also talk about his ongoing road to recovery after his injury and how the mental toll might be the toughest part of all. Instagram: @withpacepodcastYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc 

Oct 5, 2025 • 47min
Todd Wells on bringing the mountain bike world championships back to Durango
 What do Sepp Kuss, Christopher Blevins, Howard Grotts, and Asa Vermette have in common? They all grew up in the small town of Durango, Colorado. The list of cycling pros that now live there is formidable, and includes our guest, 3x Olympian and 15x XC and CX National Champion Todd Wells. Last week, it was announced that Durango would host the 2030 mountain bike World Championships, 40 years after hosting the very first edition in 1990.Todd sat down with Payson to talk about how he and a group of others helped win Durango the coveted event, the logistics that went into their bid, and what he hopes it will bring to the town. He also talks about the impact that the first World Champs had on Durango, and all the hats he now wears in his post-professional cycling career. Instagram: @withpacepodcastYouTube: Payson McElveen Email: howdy@withpace.cc 


