

Leading Consciously
Jean Latting
Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.
Episodes
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May 1, 2022 • 1h 8min
How Do Humans Grow and Evolve? Explaining Spiral Dynamics - with Cindy Wigglesworth
In today's episode, Cindy discusses the concept of spiral dynamics.
In Cindy’s words, spiral dynamics “is a model of human development.” In Jean’s, it is “a theory about the past, present, and future of humankind.”
Give it a listen and let us know your thoughts! You can find all the graphics talked about in this interview here.
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.

Apr 30, 2022 • 1h 9min
The Benefits of Spiritual Intelligence - with Cindy Wigglesworth
In this episode, we have Cindy Wigglesworth, the founder and president of Deep Change, Inc. as our guest on our blog. Cindy developed a skills assessment for spiritual intelligence. She and Jean Kantambu Latting discuss spiritual intelligence and its benefits. You can find all the information spread in this interview here.
This is a two-part discussion. Stay tuned for part 2!
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.

Apr 29, 2022 • 58min
A Dialogue about Racism - with Cherry Steinwender
Cherry Steinwender went from picking cotton and cleaning houses to co-founding the Center for the Healing of Racism. And, by the way, along the way she met and married a man who spoke only German. Would you like to know more? Listen to the full episode.
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.

Apr 28, 2022 • 41min
From Hardship to Allyship: The Value of Chronic Unease - A Conversation with Mark Hays, Pt. 2
In Part 1, Mark Hays described how a challenging childhood fostered in him the desire to serve as an ally to foster racial justice. If you haven’t looked at Part 1 yet, I suggest you do so. It paves the way for this, the second part of the conversation.
Here are excerpts by Mark from the conversation.
On being a White male as an advocate for persons of color: “I pretty much learned that my shelf life on having a friend who is a White male might be four or five months.”
On diversity: “Diversity has been a shell game.”
On his role: “I want to be the guardian angel giving people safety. If I wasn't going to do this after all I learned from Mary [Harlan]and the faith and trust she had in me, that would just be a ridiculous thing.”
On chronic unease: “It's maintaining that sense of chronic unease to make sure we're doing everything we can do to not have those kinds of organizations that hurt people. And so that's become my theme for how I describe what I do.”
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.

Apr 27, 2022 • 1h 14min
From hardship to allyship: The makings of an ally - A conversation with Mark Hays, Part 1
I met Mark Hays many moons ago at the Center for the Healing of Racism. Mark is an organizational consultant specializing in leadership, change management, relationship and engagement, and inclusion and equity work. He holds a master’s degree in education/counseling and completed 30 hours towards a master’s in history from Texas Southern University. He has been an advocate for racial and social justice since childhood.
“I grew up in Kansas City, Kansas; I didn't know about my heritage, ethnicity, until years after my parents had passed. To get to the baseball park we had to drive through the part of town that was African American; as we got close to the railroad tracks, my father would roll the windows up and tell me to lay down on the on the floorboard. He said, this is an area that people can hurt you, they'll do things to you. They didn't teach hate, they taught fear.”
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.

Apr 26, 2022 • 55min
How to envision a world to benefit everyone - with Barbara Love
Dr. Barbara Love speaks about the power of transformation, the pitfalls of helping others, and the plantation’s money box.
This week I had a wonderful conversation with Dr. Barbara Love: consultant, coach, author, lecturer, climate change activist, organizational transformation specialist, personal transformation specialist, and Professor Emerita from the University of Massachusetts College of Education and Social Justice Education.
Her liberatory consciousness model is compelling, yet simple. Her Framework to Develop a Liberatory Consciousness aptly charts a journey for those seeking a roadmap.
The components are awareness, analysis, accountability, and action. Although you may be tempted to treat them as steps, Dr. Love describes them as cyclical.
She says: “The awareness component of a liberatory consciousness involves developing the capacity to notice, to give attention to our daily lives, our language, our behaviors, and even our thoughts. It means making the decision to live our lives from a waking position.”
There’s much more in this engaging conversation: about how we oppress ourselves, the pitfalls of helping others, befriending the head of the local KKK, and the plantation’s money box.
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.

Apr 23, 2022 • 50min
Apology in a racially charged world: Amy Porterfield reveals what happened on the inside
In my blog #9, I wrote about Amy Porterfield, an online marketing guru and a top-flight podcaster. Amy went through a very public and painful learning experience following the murder of George Floyd. I invited her to this interview for her perspective on the journey from obliviousness to learning and growth. Here she demonstrates recovery from mistakes as we navigate the path of racial understanding.
The situation was made even more painful because of her status and sense of personal responsibility. Amy has been designated by Forbes as one of the top 50 social media power influencers. According to her website, Amy has a following of 250,000 people and a seven-figure business.
I was a witness to the situation because she sends out regular emails about online course development, and I am one of her followers. I watched the drama unfold, email by email. In blog #9 (Anatomy of an Apology in a Racially Charged World: What We Can Learn from Amy Porterfield) , I wrote about the situation from my perspective reading those emails.
This is my interview with Amy where she reveals her side of the story.
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.

Apr 23, 2022 • 50min
How to be vulnerable about race... And grow - with Amy Hageman
How do you inspire your White friends while writing 30 days of love letters for your Black friends?
If you are Amy Hageman, you start with Day Zero.
Amy, like many of us, was shaken by the brazen murder of George Floyd. She felt comfortable enough to post on Facebook. Yet her ending comment, “This is all I have to say about the matter,” did not sit well with her Black friends.
So to challenge herself and walk the path for her White friends, she pledged to write something on Facebook every day for 30 days. Not only did she accomplish her purpose, but she also grew and learned with each post. Dr. Jean Latting interviews her about her journey.
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Conversations with forward-thinking leaders about patterns that keep us stuck and how the leaders are breaking the mold. Personal reflections on provocative topics and how to level up despite yourself. Get unstuck, change your story, become more effective. Join us.
The ability to lead consciously can open your eyes.
Jean Latting is an organizational consultant, inclusive leadership coach, and behavioral scientist.