Margaret McKeown, retired professor and decades-long researcher, talks about the importance of vocabulary, effective instruction methods, and the role of informal instruction. She emphasizes the significance of tier two words for knowledge building and highlights the need for interactive and ongoing instruction. Listeners will gain insights into bolstering vocabulary instruction in their own communities.

Famed education thinker and author, John Hattie, discusses the biggest takeaways from his work, the importance of successful implementation, and his thoughts on AI and the future of education. They talk about the distinction between being a real teacher and an academic, the limitations of meta-analysis, and using 'Visible Learning' for effective teaching practices. They also discuss interacting with critics, the impact of online data, and upcoming revolutions in education.

Gina Cervetti, a Professor of Education at the University of Michigan specializing in literacy, joins to explore the deep connections between knowledge, vocabulary, and reading comprehension. She argues that knowledge and vocabulary are complementary, redefining knowledge to include cultural understanding. Gina discusses the concept of conceptual coherence and how it enhances comprehension in students. She also shares innovative strategies for building vocabulary without traditional lists, emphasizing the importance of integrating cultural backgrounds to foster engagement in literacy.

Join Molly Ness, an expert in read-aloud strategies and author of "Read Alouds for All Learners," as she shares insights from her journey from law to teaching. She highlights the transformative power of read-alouds in enhancing literacy, vocabulary, and comprehension for students from Pre-K to eighth grade. Molly discusses effective strategies for intentional planning and implementation, emphasizing their socioemotional benefits. Using examples like Mo Willems' 'Knuffle Bunny,' she showcases how read-alouds can engage students across various subjects.

The podcast features Reid Smith and Pamela Snow discussing the importance of building background knowledge for literacy. They highlight the complexity of knowledge-building, the role it plays in literacy, and the need for a knowledge-rich curriculum. The episode explores the benefits of coherent curriculum design and emphasizes knowledge and skills development over time.

In this episode, in honor of Dyslexia Awareness Month, we highlight Kareem Weaver's daughter Margaret "Margo" and nephew Elijah—both of whom learned they had dyslexia later in their young lives. After many struggles in school, Margo was diagnosed with dyslexia in high school. Meanwhile, Elijah was diagnosed with dyslexia only while he was incarcerated. Margo and Elijah discuss the impact of their diagnoses. Meanwhile, Kareem reflects on their stories and shares lessons learned for families and caregivers. Margo and Elijah also share their advice for educators and other young people about types of dyslexia. Show notes:Listen: Kareem Weaver’s first interview with Susan: What it takes to be a literacy education changemaker.Listen: Kareem Weaver’s most recent podcast appearance: The Right to Read: live from Plain TalkMuch more on dyslexia: Listen to S7E7 with Dr. Tim Odegard and S7E9 with Dr. Sally ShaywitzDocumentary: The Right to Read Website: FULCRUM (Full and Complete Reading is a Universal Mandate) Read: How dyslexia diagnosis changed a Bay Area high school softball player’s lifeQuotes:"It made me realize I wasn't the problem; something was wrong with me. I just had a little bump in the road that was making it just a little bit harder for me." —Margo Weaver"It shouldn't take having to go to jail to get what you need to learn how to read. That's the bottom of it." —Kareem Weaver"Just try to take a deep breath in and ask questions." —Elijah Valencia"Even when they were trying to help me ... it's like they were expecting me to be learning at everybody else's pace." —Elijah Valencia"Real talk as a parent: We got to own up to stuff." —Kareem Weaver"When a kid can't read and life gets a hold of you, it's a life cycle. Next thing you know, you find yourself in situatins that you never would have imagined." —Kareem Weaver"Most parents are overwhelmed and they need an ally in the building." —Kareem Weaver"I just wish somebody kind of sat with me and told me that I wasn't stupid and that I was okay." —Margo Weaver

This is Part 2 of our conversation with Dr. Reid Lyon, one of the leading experts in reading research. After years working for and with the highest levels of the U.S. government, Dr. Lyon stepped away from working on reading research. However, in May 2023, he released his "Ten Maxims: What We've Learned So Far About How Children Learn to Read." Picking up where we left off last episode, Dr. Lyon continues to expand on what we know about how children learn—and explains how much of this information was known two decades ago when he was testifying before Congress. He also goes into what he sees in the current Science of Reading landscape, and what he hopes for the future, and how both of those things led to the creation of his "Ten Maxims."Show notes:Listen to: Embracing the complexity of learning to read (Part 1)Dr. Reid Lyon: “Ten Maxims: What We've Learned So Far About How Children Learn to Read”Keith Rayner’s research: “Eye movements in reading and information processing: 20 years of research”Marilyn Adams: Beginning to ReadSusan Brady:  Phonological Processes in Literacy Emily Hanford: “Sold a Story: How Teaching Kids to Read Went So Wrong”Quotes:“The Science of Reading is cumulative and we’re learning all kinds of new things.” —Dr. Reid Lyon“A more realistic look at reading is in fact to understand the complexity, but not be intimidated by it.” —Dr. Reid Lyon“When you’re working on something that’s so critical to a life—to a child’s life—belief systems don’t cut it. Evidence cuts it.” —Dr. Reid Lyon

Dr. Reid Lyon is one of the leading experts in reading research. After years working for and with the highest levels of the U.S. government, Dr. Lyon stepped away from his reading research. But in May 2023, Dr. Lyon released his "Ten Maxims: What We've Learned So Far About How Children Learn to Read." And of course Susan jumped at the chance to invite him onto the podcast. In a wide-reaching interview, Dr. Lyon traces his life story from the Vietnam War to the National Institute of Health. He also offers an expansive overview of what we know about teaching reading, how children learn—including a discussion of whole language vs. phonics—and his response to educators wondering what reading actually is and what methodology of teaching students to read is most effective. Be on the lookout for Part 2 of our interview with Dr. Reid Lyon, being released next week.Show notes:Dr. Reid Lyon: “Ten Maxims: What We've Learned So Far About How Children Learn to Read”Keith Rayner’s research: “Eye movements in reading and information processing: 20 years of research”Marilyn Adams: Beginning to ReadSusan Brady:  Phonological Processes in Literacy Emily Hanford: “Sold a Story: How Teaching Kids to Read Went So Wrong”Quotes:“Phonics—that is, looking at letters, letter patterns, learning how to bring sound to associate to those letters—is absolutely essential, non-negotiable. It has to be learned. But it in no way is sufficient to be able to comprehend, which is the goal of reading.” —Dr. Reid Lyon“Reading is a complex behavior subserved by multiple systems in the brain that integrate and inform each other.” —Dr. Reid Lyon“It’s a symphony of neural activity that undergirds this very complex behavior of just learning how to read. So when people boil reading down into phonics or whole language, it’s just a false characterization.” —Dr. Reid Lyon“People somehow conflated this natural ability of oral language to develop—just expose kids, just shower them with language—to reading. And reading is by no means natural. It has to be taught. It does not reside in the brain systems.” —Dr. Reid Lyon“We’re hampered by the teacher-knowledge issue. That’s not a teacher’s fault. That’s a college of education system that is bereft of responsibility. It operates on philosophical foundations. It operates on belief systems. It’s very politicized. It looks at reading as a right, which it is. But it doesn’t look at the instruction of reading as methodology—strategies, direct and comprehensive programs that can help most kids learn to read.” —Dr. Reid Lyon

With a background as a classroom teacher, a master's in educational neuroscience, and a doctorate in special education, Dr. Neena Saha has seen all facets of education. In her work, she noticed a gap in the research-to-practice workflow for early literacy and dedicated herself to streamlining the process of finding and disseminating the best educational research for educators. Together, Susan Lambert and Neena discuss the need for reading researchers to work together and collaborate in a more focused and concerted group effort, the challenges of implementation, and how educators can best keep up with research that often feels overwhelming.Show notes:Listen: Our recent episode with Claude GoldenbergRead: Neena’s monthly reading research updateWatch: Neena’s July video about a Bayesian network meta-analysisWatch: Celebrating the Legacy of Dr. Bud RoseWebsite: Center for Research Use in EducationRead: “Survey of Evidence in Education for Schools Descriptive Report”Read: “The Book of Why: The New Science of Cause and Effect” by Judea PearlRead: Reading Research Recap—If you want to start receiving monthly notifications for this series, please register or sign in to your Lexile & Quantile Hub account and join the Reading Research mailing list.Quotes:"What I did was focus really on dissemination, right? Getting rid of that hurdle of, you know, there's so many journals out there." —Dr. Neena Saha"You have to look at the full body, you're like cherry picking stuff if you're going to social media and the person with the biggest megaphone wins or whoever has the most interesting way of presenting it." —Dr. Neena Saha"We need a more concerted effort. There needs to be a bunch of researchers that come together and hash it out. It can't just be single ones here and there." —Dr. Neena Saha"Teachers or educators out there right now, when you're feeling overwhelmed and you can't figure out how to find the evidence, or some evidence, guess what? We're affirming for you that there's no easy way to do it...this is more of a systemic problem." —Dr. Neena Saha"It's not enough to do the science. You have to make sure it gets out there." —Dr. Neena Saha

Former NFL player turned literacy advocate and children's book author, Malcolm Mitchell, shares his journey of learning to love reading and advocating for literacy. He discusses the importance of cultural connection, access to books, and community building. Mitchell emphasizes the value of reading as an empowering tool and highlights the need for students to understand its true 'why' to be motivated. His journey from football to phonics and founding a literacy foundation is an inspiring testimony to overcoming barriers and creating opportunities through reading.