

The Mockingcast
Mockingbird
The Mockingcast is a bi-weekly podcast hosted by RJ Heijmen, Sarah Condon and David Zahl, and brought to you by Mockingbird Ministries, an organization which seeks to connect the Christian faith with the realities of everyday life in fresh and down-to-earth ways. You can find out more about Mockingbird at www.mbird.com.
Audio production provided by TJ Hester.
Audio production provided by TJ Hester.
Episodes
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Oct 14, 2025 • 1h 5min
Episode 284: The Telephone of Life
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk painless tattoos, workaholic scripts, sloppy social media, and Japanese lifesavers. Also, Sarah gets down with a theater full of fifth graders before singing with church full of Norwegians. Closing music courtesy of Voice of Joy.
Click here for more details about -- or to register for -- the Fall Mbird Conference in Charlottesville, VA (11/14&15).
Click here to read in the Atlantic about how "People Are Getting Tattoos Under Anesthesia."
Click here to watch the short film, Beneath the Ink.
Click here to read "If I Work Harder, Will You Love Me?" by Arthur Brooks in the Atlantic.
Click here to read "We Are the Slop" by Freya India in the After Babel newsletter.
Click here to read Dave's piece "Grace in a Time of Line-Drawing and Statement-Making" on Mbird.
Click here to read about "The Pastor Who Rescues People from Japan’s ‘Suicide Cliff’" by Kazusa Okaya in Christianity Today.
Click here to find out more about Voice of Joy, the Norwegian gospel choir Sarah mentions who also close the show.

Sep 29, 2025 • 1h 5min
Episode 283: The Ol' Telling the Truth Trick
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk silent retreats, repentant writing, alien mercy, and Hallmark movies. Also, RJ goes Confucian while Dave spitballs a new kind of Dry January.
Click here to read Ben Brasch's article "Silent Retreats Are Surging in Popularity" in the Washington Post.
Click here to read Lauren Jackson's newsletter on "The Pscyhological Value of Repentance" in the NY Times.
Click here to read Sarah's "Grace in an Age of Vengeance" on Mbird.
Click here to read Ashley Hales's interview with Elizabeth Bruenig in Christianity Today, "Alien Mercy."
Click here to read Elizabeth Bruenig's lengthy essay "Witness" in The Atlantic.
Click here to read Matt Metevelis's piece on Mbird "The Gospel Is Not Your Happy Ending."
Click here for more information about, or to pre-register for, the Fall Mbird Conference in Charlottesville, VA (Nov 14&15).

Sep 15, 2025 • 1h 3min
Episode 282: Do It Afraid
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk predatory advice-giving, suspicious mission statements, unloving algorithms, and atoning physicians. Also, Dave's son wins a big award.
Click here to read Russell Shaw's article in the Atlantic, "When Your Kid’s Best Friend Is a Great Big Problem."
Click here to read the NY Times interview with Brene Brown.
Click here to read NBW's "Sufficiently Suspicious" newsletter.
Click here to read "Excuses, Excuses" by Sam Bush on Mbird.
Click here to read "A Family Doctor's Search for Salvation" in the New Yorker.

Sep 1, 2025 • 1h 5min
Episode 281: Fluffy Pens and Perfectionist Pain
In the season premiere, RJ, Sarah and Dave talk nightmare summers, tween retailers, ethical checklists, and the deadliest addiction of all. We also learn the whole point of Sarah.
Click here to read Dave's post on "Lessons from a (Miserable) Summer on Crutches".
Click here to read Ellen Cushing's "What Claire's Once Gave Tween Girls" on The Atlantic.
Click here to read "The Pain of Perfectionsism" by Leslie Jamison on The New Yorker.
Click here to read "Bad Brains" by James Kimmel Jr on Slate.
Click here to read "Jesus Doesn't Care When You Wake Up" by Todd Brewer on Mbird.
Click here for more details -- or to pre-register -- for the Fall Mockingbird Conference in Charlottesville, VA (Nov 14&15).

Jul 15, 2025 • 49min
Bonus Episode: "The Hawaiian Shirt Guy at at Wedding" from Terrible Parables
Mockingcasters looking for something to listen to while the crew is on summner hiatus, look no further! We're cross-posting the first episode of the new season of our Terrible Parables podcast, "The Hawaiian Shirt Guy at a Wedding" in which long time Mockingbird contributors Cali Yee, Todd Brewer and Bryan Jarrell parse the parable of the Wedding Banquet that Jesus tells in Matthew 22:1-14.
Listen to more episodes of Terrible Parables on Spotify
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Click here to order a copy of the Law & Gospel issue of The Mockingbird Magazine

May 27, 2025 • 1h 6min
Episode 279: We Are All Nepo Babies
In their last episode before the summer hiatus, RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk afternoon pop-ins, cigarette nostalgia, do-gooder derogation, and rejected generations. Also, RJ watches Cobra Kai while Sarah's son (thankfully) opts not to take over the world.
To respond to the opening appeal, visit www.mbird.com/support.
Click here to read Patricia Shannon's column, "Let's Bring Back the Lost Art of the Afternoon Visit" in Southern Living
Click here to read Vox's Future Perfect newsletter about do-gooder derogation by Sigal Samuel
Click here to read David Brooks' article "We Are the Most Rejected Generation" in the NY Times
Click here to read "Nepo Babies and the Economy of Grace" by Chris Wachter on Mbird
The closing song, used with permission, is "Miracle Service" by Andy Squyres, which you can find on Spotify, YouTube, and Apple

May 12, 2025 • 1h 1min
Episode 278: Big Joe Breaks the Silence
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk marketing trauma, cultural decline, and the pluses and minuses of the silent treatment. Also, Sarah goes on a date to WalMart, while RJ tries real hard to be the shepherd.
Click here to read Ellen Cushing's article "The Brands Are Very Sorry About Your Trauma."
Click here to read Is This the Worst-Ever Era of American Pop Culture? by Spencer Kornhaber.
Click here to read "Deafening Silence" by Sam Bush on Mbird.
Click here to read David Marchese's interview with Ocean Vuong in the NY Times.

Apr 28, 2025 • 1h 14min
Episode 277: The Big Relief of a Good Dishwasher
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk Pope Francis, dirty dishes, eternal life, and Dave's new book, The Big Relief. Also, RJ bleeds in the pulpit while Sarah takes us to the alley.
Click here to listen to (and watch) Gregory Porter sing "Take Me to the Alley".
Click here to read Ellen Cushing's "There Are Two Types of Dishwasher People" in the Atlantic.
Click here to read "The Work of Small Talk" from the Oliver Bateman Does the Work substack.
Click here to order Dave's book, The Big Relief: The Urgency of Grace for a Worn-Out World.
Click here to listen to the interview that RJ mentions (Dave on Give + Take with Scott Jones). Or here to watch it.
Click here to read Bryan Jarrell's piece, "Eternal Life Is Not Embarrassing" on Mbird.

Apr 14, 2025 • 1h 13min
Episode 276: Love Has a Million Disguises (But Winning Is Simply Not One)
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk comic marriages, unruly kids, brainwashed Christians and Lenten props. Also, RJ recounts his favorite ever baptism while Sarah revises her opinion of frozen margaritas.
Click here to register for the NYC Conference.
Click here to pre-register Dave's new book, The Big Relief.
Click here to read Olga Khazan's article about "What Comedians Know About Staying Married".
Click here to watch Conan O'Brien's acceptance speech for the Mark Twain Award.
Click here to read "In Praise of Unruly Children in Church" by Phil Christman in The Christian Century.
Click here to read "It's Always the Other Side That's Brainwashed" by Nikhil Krishnan in The New Yorker.
Click here to read Ben Maddison's article on "The Dangers of Prop Comedy" on Mbird.
Episode title courtesy of Jon Guerra's song "Citizens", used with permission.

Mar 24, 2025 • 1h 8min
Episode 275: Whereupon He Flipped Me the Bird
In which RJ, Sarah, and Dave talk trend fatigue, athletic nepotism, and toxic preconditions. Also, RJ ponders South Korean babies while Sarah balks at a decision-making expert's decision.
Click here to register for the upcoming Mbird Conference in New York City (5/1-3)
Click here to read Callie Holtermann's "Too Many Trends!" in The New York Times
Click here to read about LeBron James and the Limits of Nepotism in The Atlantic
Click here to read Oliver Burkeman's newsletter about "Toxic Preconditions"
Click here to read "The Last Decision by the World’s Leading Thinker on Decisions" by Jason Zweig in the Wall Street Journal
Click here to read David Clay's "A Mercy Hidden in Judgment"


