

The Power of Music Thinking
Christof Zürn
What can the dynamics of music teach us about navigating today’s complex world? The Power of Music Thinking podcast dives deep into this potent analogy.
Host Christof Zürn, founder of MusicThinking.com, explores how concepts like listening, tuning, rhythm, and improvisation translate into powerful tools for business, creativity, and leadership.Through engaging interviews with global thought leaders, designers, entrepreneurs, and artists, discover practical ways to improve collaboration, spark innovation, and lead teams more effectively. Learn how to listen differently, find your team’s rhythm, and embrace improvisation in the face of uncertainty. And there are special episodes around a theme or experiment.For anyone fascinated by the intersection of creativity, strategy, and human dynamics – subscribe to The Power of Music Thinking.
Host Christof Zürn, founder of MusicThinking.com, explores how concepts like listening, tuning, rhythm, and improvisation translate into powerful tools for business, creativity, and leadership.Through engaging interviews with global thought leaders, designers, entrepreneurs, and artists, discover practical ways to improve collaboration, spark innovation, and lead teams more effectively. Learn how to listen differently, find your team’s rhythm, and embrace improvisation in the face of uncertainty. And there are special episodes around a theme or experiment.For anyone fascinated by the intersection of creativity, strategy, and human dynamics – subscribe to The Power of Music Thinking.
Episodes
Mentioned books

Dec 21, 2024 • 49min
The role of emotions and rationality in research with Leonoor Opstelten
We end this year with Leonoor Opstelten, a young researcher who used improvisation and music as an experimental approach for her thesis on forest and nature conservation. With this approach, she won the Birgit Elands thesis prize just a few weeks ago.
In her thesis, she included five piano pieces accompanying five different storylines - patterns and themes that resulted from her research.
Let's listen to the research, its story, and the beautiful music.
Show notes
Connect with Leonoor: www.linkedin.com/in/leonoor-opstelten-088957297
Download her thesis: https://edepot.wur.nl/657505
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Nov 29, 2024 • 38min
Thinking Music - Music Thinking - special epsiode
Christof Zürn talks about music thinking, the music thinking framework, and JAMMIN’ before SCORE and what this means in the context of co-creation in the business. How does this sound?
It sounds marvellous; we hear a lot of musical experts from the new (digital) album of MRZ - an ambient improvisation trio - and get an explanation of how this relates to the music thinking practise.
Show notes
Thinking Music Playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0yITUGcz4pH8qU0FbN4vhc?si=bdb26633538a4495
Download Music Thinking Framework: https://musicthinking.com/download-music-thinking-instruments/
MRZ on Bandcamp: https://mrznl.bandcamp.com/album/improvisations-in-an-ambient-space
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Oct 21, 2024 • 15min
What is orchestration?
What is orchestration? And
What is an orchestrator? What do they do?
Is everybody now a musician or music thinker?
Is it important? And Why should we care?
What challenges around orchestration are there in different fields and can music, music thinking or the grandmaster of orchestration, Rimski-Korsakov, help?
In this short episode, I discuss a pre-research concerning orchestration in different fields. If you are an orchestrator or use orchestration to explain your work, please fill in the form below.
Show notes
Please fill in the Pre-Research Survey about Orchestration: https://forms.office.com/e/MJchG9yEgP
Principles of Orchestration by Rimski-Korsakov on Project Gutenberg: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/33900/33900-h/33900-h.htm#rimsky1
Prize-winning orchestrator from Berlin: https://musicthinking.podbean.com/e/everything-about-orchestration-with-robin-hoffmann/
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Sep 8, 2024 • 54min
Strings between MBA and AI with Anna Filochowska
join us in our conversation and hear more about the journey from Poland to Germany and the US, from playing violin in a top-notch orchestra to getting an MBA at Stanford University Graduate School of Business and writing a white paper about AI and music.
Show Notes
Connect with Anna: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aniaf/
Berlin Philharmonic: https://www.berliner-philharmoniker.de/en/
AI White Paper: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7228754698395148288/
Performing at Stanford: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIjLMMMuYg
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Aug 3, 2024 • 52min
Sound Walk in the Summer with Christof Zürn
Today is a special episode of the podcast, not just because of the 50th episode anniversary but because there will be no guests today. Instead, you'll be immersed in a unique sound walk experience, a journey of sound I recorded in July in Italy. This is not just a regular episode; it's a sonic adventure.
Open your mind and listening brain because, as we learned in the last episode with Professor Nina Kraus, you can only hear what you know.
But now let's get on our trip or, better yet, the sound walk of the summer.
Every two years, my wife and I, visit the Art Biennale of Venice. It's not just a visit, it's a learning experience, an inspiration, a ritual about creativity in the broadest sense. It's about un-learning, re-learning, and encountering new things that make you rethink. And this time, I brought my recording device with me on a sound walk through the Biennale of Venice.
Be my guest while I was walking with my ears and microphone open on this unique sound walk.
Show Notes
David Rothenberg website and books: http://www.davidrothenberg.net/
Biennale Arte Venice website: https://www.labiennale.org/en/art/2024
Italian Pavillion, Duo Qui/Two here: https://www.duequi-tohear.it/project
More on Deep Listening and Pauline Oliveros:
https://musicthinking.com/deep-listening-with-sharon-stewart/
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Jun 23, 2024 • 51min
A Love Letter to Sound with Nina Kraus
We don't just hear; we engage with sounds. Our hearing is always on, and we can't close our ears the way we close our eyes, yet we can ignore unimportant sounds. Making sense of sound is one of the most challenging jobs we ask our brains to do. But how does this work?
Today, we speak with Dr. Nina Kraus, scientist, inventor, book author, Professor of Neurobiology at Northwestern University, and Director of BrainVolts.
Nina's research reveals that our daily lives, filled with sound, play a significant role in shaping how our brain interprets the sounds we hear. This influence can be both positive, as seen in musicians and bilinguals, and negative, as in the case of concussion, hearing loss, and language disorders. Sound, therefore, leaves a profound imprint on our identities. Nina talks about the partnership of sound and the brain and how sound processing drives many of the brain's core functions.
To give you an idea of our conversation, there is a short, surprising sound example in the intro of the episode that will make you wonder! Because we only hear what we know, we have to hear and listen a lot to better understand our world and ourselves.
So, relax and join our conversation about exploring sound and listening! Or how Nina also talks about her work and book: It is a love letter to sound.
Show Notes
Brainvolts website www.brainvolts.northwestern.edu
Book Of Sound Mind: https://brainvolts.northwestern.edu/of-sound-mind/
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May 20, 2024 • 55min
Sound Buildings with Ron van Leeuwen
Today, we speak with Ron van Leeuwen, who straddles two creative worlds. By day, he is an architect and urban designer, shaping physical spaces. By night, he transforms his creative energy into music, composing pieces that the 55-piece Metropole Orkest has recorded. His newest composition, Architones, is also available on Spotify.
We discuss the relations and differences between working in these two fields, the metamorphoses of buildings and music, and the challenges of delivering a feasible building.
During our discussion, Ron generously shares his compositional insights and the creative process behind his homage to the Vredespalais (Peace Palace) in The Hague. He reveals how he began with a waltz rhythm, a choice that adds a unique musical dimension to the architectural masterpiece.
Show Notes
Connect with Ron on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ron-van-leeuwen-65b30723/
Architones website: https://architones.com/
Architones on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/2VJ4ZJhDqlXNwKnuQjoPFw?si=2DW2gQ9_Q66iTvLEBvJNSw
Kokon: Architecture & Urbanism: https://www.kokon.nl/en
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Apr 22, 2024 • 47min
The Art of Freedom with Jennifer Roig-Francoli
How are your habits getting in the way of being more creative? How does self-observation make you a better performer? And how can touching from a distance help you with performance problems?
Today, we speak with Jennifer Roig-Francoli - violinist, healer, coach, author and creator of The Art of Freedom Method for Conscious Living and Masterful Artistry.
We discuss methods like the Alexander technique, the Suzuki method, the mother-tongue method, NLP (Neurolinguistic Programming) and how they benefit everyone who has to rehearse and perform, whether in music or business.
And Jennifer shares her experiences as a solo artist, the challenges of keeping up great performances, and insights from her #1 Amazon bestseller, Make Great Music with Ease! Where She provides deep insights and lasting solutions to the challenges musicians face, including pain, performance nerves, and emotional stress.
Show Notes
Connect with Jennifer: www.ArtofFreedom.me
Youtube channel: www.youtube.com/@JenniferRoigFrancoli
Her #1 Amazon book: www.amazon.com/dp/B0CN3SX8DK
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Mar 24, 2024 • 38min
Music and Astrophysics with Dr Mariana Wagner
Dr. Mariana Wagner, an astrophysicist, songwriter, podcaster, and composer of immersive live shows about sound and space.
We learn about her journey that led her from studying oceanography, working as a songwriter for German Schlager stars and becoming a doctor of astrophysics.
Mariana also brought some sound examples to the show. We hear a conversation between Saturn and one of its moons, an excerpt from the sound files on the famous golden record that has accompanied the Voyager since 1977, and the grooving sound of moving plasma from the sun.
Show Notes
Connect with Mariana on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-mariana-wagner-2a241a75/
Podcast (mostly German speaking): https://marianawagner.de/podcast/
Introduction to the sound and space live shows: https://marianawagner.de/show/#_info
Golden record and the untold story how Chakrulo ended up in space: https://georgianjournal.ge/discover-georgia/28321-the-untold-story-of-how-chakrulo-ended-up-in-space.html
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The Power of Music Thinking is brought to you by CREATIVE COMPANION specialised in facilitating leaders, teams and organisations in customer experience, change and innovation.

Feb 27, 2024 • 39min
Better English with Jam Cards and Anita Prestidge
How cool is this? You develop a multisensory product to let people experience your ideas about music thinking and then someone comes along and uses your product for something completely different.
So today, we speak with Anita Prestidge, an English trainer with experience in theatre, directing, and education. When Anita picked up the cards, she had another idea of what to do with these cards and developed her own unique method. So, if you want to speak better English while using the Jam Cards, connect with Anita online.
Show Notes
Connect with Anita on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anita-prestidge/
A Video Introduction by Anita Prestidge for potential students: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHly19lnmCo
Get the Jam Cards: https://musicthinking.com/jam-cards/
Behind the Cards stories: https://musicthinking.com/?s=behind+the+cards
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Subscribe to the podcast. Leave us a review — even one sentence helps! I appreciate your support; it helps the show!
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Buy the book The Power of Music Thinking and the Jam Cards at a 20% discount using musicthinking20 at the check-out of the BIS Publishers website only.
The Power of Music Thinking is brought to you by CREATIVE COMPANION specialised in facilitating leaders, teams and organisations in customer experience, change and innovation.


