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Diverse Education
Achieving equality in higher education. The stakes have never been higher. The issues never more complex. Who graduates, and why? Who is getting hired as faculty and what is their experience?
In each episode, we will look at issues surrounding students, faculty, diversity and inclusion, and skyrocketing college costs.
From critical conversation to news, numbers, and analysis — we’ve got you covered. You can count on Diverse’s In The Margins to bring you the latest, most relevant thought leadership as it pertains to diversity, inclusion, and equity in higher education. As the national expert, we’ve been doing this for almost 40 years in print and on the web (diverseeducation.com). Now we are excited to expand the conversation via this podcast.
We will tackle these topics, and more, head-on. Listen weekly for a mix of deep dives, short briefs, expert panels, interviews, and more. We are thrilled to bring it to you here, in In The Margins.
In each episode, we will look at issues surrounding students, faculty, diversity and inclusion, and skyrocketing college costs.
From critical conversation to news, numbers, and analysis — we’ve got you covered. You can count on Diverse’s In The Margins to bring you the latest, most relevant thought leadership as it pertains to diversity, inclusion, and equity in higher education. As the national expert, we’ve been doing this for almost 40 years in print and on the web (diverseeducation.com). Now we are excited to expand the conversation via this podcast.
We will tackle these topics, and more, head-on. Listen weekly for a mix of deep dives, short briefs, expert panels, interviews, and more. We are thrilled to bring it to you here, in In The Margins.
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Aug 11, 2022 • 1h 2min
EP 87: Dear White America with Tim Wise
In the third installment of our series on white fragility and nationalism in higher education, Ralph Newell welcomes writer and activist Tim Wise. As one of the nation’s most prominent anti-racist essayists, educators, philanthropists, and philosophers, tune in as this “vanilla brother” discusses what created the perfect storm for white anxiety; its long-term ramifications; how white privilege manifests in higher education; and what we, as allies, can do better. KEY POINTS: - What drove Tim Wise to activism? - Where does white American anxiety come from? - The toxicity of white privilege to white people - White privilege and nationalism in higher education - The state of race education in the classroom today QUOTABLES: “When you're used to hegemony, pluralism feels like oppression.” “Privilege keeps us unsafe, lets us down, gives us an advantage at first psychologically and maybe even materially. But in the long run, it comes back to haunt us.” “If you're feeling guilty about being white, it is because you are learning about the wrong white people.” GUEST RESOURCES: Learn more about Tim Wise: speakoutnow.org/speaker/wise-tim diverseeducation.com/institutions/article/15290794/university-of-phoenix-kicks-off-inaugural-inclusive-leadership-summit PRODUCTS / RESOURCES: Watch this video and others on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/user/Diversediversedivers Visit the Diverse: Issues In Higher Education website: diverseeducation.com Or follow us on social media: Twitter: twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Transcription services are available upon request. Please drop us a line here. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at instapodcasts.com)

Aug 4, 2022 • 36min
EP 86: The Plum Tree Blossoms Even in Winter with Dr. M. Roy Wilson
In this episode, your host David Pluviose is joined by Dr. M. Roy Wilson, president of Wayne State University and author of The Plum Tree Blossoms Even in Winter. Tune in as Wilson discusses the decision and impact of painting a vivid portrait of his background and metaphor for resilience, hope, and perseverance in his new memoir. He also explores racial and socio-economic disparities, how such disparities affect minority populations, and the potential for filling the academic pipeline with underrepresented minorities, specifically when it comes to medicine. KEY POINTS: - The significance and impact of Dr. M. Roy Wilson’s memoir - Why the title: The Plum Tree Blossoms Even in Winter? - Mentorship and paying it forward - What COVID-19 revealed about systemic racism and health disparities - Increasing the pipeline of black academics, particularly in medicine QUOTABLES: “Regardless of how challenging the situation may be, how dark the time may be, just like the plum tree that blossoms in the darkest, coldest time of the year, there's a way forward to persevere and make it out.” GUEST RESOURCES: About M. Roy Wilson: president.wayne.edu/about PRODUCTS / RESOURCES: Watch this video and others on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/user/Diversediversedivers Visit the Diverse: Issues In Higher Education website: diverseeducation.com Or follow us on social media: Twitter: twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Transcription services are available upon request. Please drop us a line here. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at instapodcasts.com)

Jul 28, 2022 • 55min
Ep 85: Closing the Data Skills Gap with Dr. Melody S. Goodman
Today’s episode is brought to you by Tableau. As an industry leader, Tableau has committed to enabling 10 million people with data skills over the next five years. As part of our Tableau series on the importance of data skills in education, your host Ralph Newell sits down with Dr. Melody S. Goodman, Associate Dean for Research and Associate Professor of Biostatistics at the School of Global Public Health at New York University. Tune in as Dr. Melody S. Goodman speaks to data as the world’s greatest commodity and why everyone should understand how it works. But you don’t have to be a data scientist to have data literacy! Learn how you can help close the data skills gap and hear Dr. Goodman’s experiences incorporating data skills into her community’s education and the impact it’s having. KEY POINTS: - Data is now the world’s most valuable resource - Why data literacy is important, especially for students - The ethical issue behind data analysis - Are we at a data skills deficit in the classroom? - How to help increase data literacy in BIPOC students - Tapping into the genius of low-income communities QUOTABLES: “Whoever does the analysis is essentially the narrator. They're telling the story, right? And they're telling the story from their perspective. And in many cases, data scientists and statisticians are not black and brown folks.” “It is highly unlikely that all of the genius in this country comes out of the suburbs. You don't believe that there's genius in our ghettos and barrios and our reservations, as much as there is in our suburbs?” GUEST RESOURCES: Tableau: Business Intelligence and Analytics Software (tableau.com) Other Tableau sponsored episodes: Part 1: Why are Data Skills Important? Air date: July 21 PRODUCTS / RESOURCES: Watch this video and others on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/user/Diversediversedivers Visit the Diverse: Issues In Higher Education website: diverseeducation.com Or follow us on social media: Twitter: twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Transcription services are available upon request. Please drop us a line here. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at instapodcasts.com)

Jul 21, 2022 • 57min
EP 84: Why are Data Skills Important?
Today’s episode is brought to you by Tableau, an industry leader committed to enabling 10 million people with data skills over the next five years. As part of our Tableau series on the importance of data skills in education, and more specifically for BIPOC students, your host Ralph Newell sits down with Vanessa G. Leon from the University of Texas El Paso’s College of Business Administration and Allen Hillery, vice president of communities and impact at Data Stories. Hear from Leon, who is responsible for overseeing the partnerships and programming for three of the college’s corporate academies and is kicking off their data skills journey. Hillery empowers people and communities around the world to eliminate misinformation and create positive change using words, data, and visualizations. Don't miss this informative discussion on the necessity of data literacy, why students of color got left behind in data science, and the immediate need to bring data skills into education. KEY POINTS: - What is data and how is it used by companies and organizations? - Why is data science so important for BIPOC students? - How to bring data literacy into K-12 education and communities - Supporting BIPOC students in fields where there is little to no representation - The importance of business intelligence and communication skills - Tableau’s initiatives to help their students “catch up” in data science QUOTABLES: “It's also educating the students because half of the challenge is seeing yourself. A lot of times you don't see yourself, so you don't understand what you could be there.” “What's been opening doors for us in a lot of fields are alumni. There's always that one student that did not think that they could get a job at Microsoft, right, but they land that job. And now they become an advocate.” GUEST RESOURCES: Tableau: Business Intelligence and Analytics Software Data Stories: Home | DataStories a Partners in Performance Company PRODUCTS / RESOURCES: Watch this video and others on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/user/Diversediversedivers Visit the Diverse: Issues In Higher Education website: diverseeducation.com Or follow us on social media: Twitter: twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Transcription services are available upon request. Please drop us a line here. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at instapodcasts.com)

Jul 14, 2022 • 51min
EP 83: White Fragility with Dr. Robin DiAngelo
In this episode, Ralph Newell is joined by Dr. Robin DiAngelo, affiliate associate professor of education at the University of Washington and author of White Fragility: Why It’s So Hard For White People To Talk About Racism, which was released in June 2018 and debuted on The New York Times Bestsellers List, where it remained for over three years. Tune in as Dr. Robin DiAngelo discusses what “white fragility” is and why, while society’s racial inequality is not the fault of white people individually, it is the individual’s responsibility to help address it. KEY POINTS: - Dr. Robin DiAngelo’s path to racial and social justice education - Being white and poor versus being black and poor - Is white the default? - Why racial illiteracy is not benign, neutral, or innocent - What is white fragility? - Does everyone have racist tendencies or bias? QUOTABLES: “When people say that learning about enslavement causes white children to feel guilt, why do you assume the white child can only identify with the slaveholder?” “A hallmark of white homes is that we certainly are not educated on our racial history. We know that and the efforts that are at play today will make it literally illegal for us to be educated on our racial history.” “The ultimate goal is that we come together across these divides. But white people are not in great shape to do that. We are racially illiterate. Most of us can't even answer the question, what does it mean to be white. Then you throw us in a room together and say, ‘let's talk about race and racism,’ and a lot of damage gets done.” GUEST RESOURCES: Learn more about Dr. Robin DiAngelo: robindiangelo.com PRODUCTS / RESOURCES: Watch this video and others on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/user/Diversediversedivers Visit the Diverse: Issues In Higher Education website: diverseeducation.com Or follow us on social media: Twitter: twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Transcription services are available upon request. Please drop us a line here. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at instapodcasts.com)

Jul 7, 2022 • 55min
EP 82: The Invention of White People with Dr. Jacqueline Battalora
“Some folks say white people have no business being in this work. But, you know, we have to be, and it's a job that you want to work yourself out of.” In this episode, Ralph Newell is joined by Dr. Jacqueline Battalora, author of Birth of a White Nation: The Invention of White People and Its Relevance Today. Battalora is an attorney and professor of sociology at Saint Xavier University in Chicago. Tune in as they discuss “whiteness,” the taboo of privilege, and the importance of understanding the truth of our history as well as the distressing implications the overturning of Roe v. Wade may have on our constitutional rights around race. KEY POINTS: - Dr. Jacqueline Battalora’s journey to diversity, equity, and inclusion work - What does the term “whiteness” really mean? - Why are white people considered the norm? - How was whiteness invented and why does it matter today? - White replacement theory and DEI education - What does it mean to be an ally? QUOTABLES: “I think we have to be really clear about what we mean by whiteness. Malcolm X referred to whiteness not as a complexion, but as a state of consciousness.” “White people really are just submerged as the norm. So I become the norm against which all other racial groups are measured against and considered in relation to.” “Let me address one thing that I often hear, which is the whole ‘preaching to the choir’. I don't know of any choir that doesn't need daily practice.” GUEST RESOURCES: Learn more about Jacqueline Battalora: https://www.speakoutnow.org/speaker/jacqueline-battalora PRODUCTS / RESOURCES: Watch this video and others on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/user/Diversediversedivers Visit the Diverse: Issues In Higher Education website: diverseeducation.com Or follow us on social media: Twitter: twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Transcription services are available upon request. Please drop us a line here. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at instapodcasts.com)

Jun 30, 2022 • 50min
EP 81: Becoming a True Ally with Nathan Nguyen, Director of LGBT Student Services at Western Michigan University
As this year’s Pride Month draws to a close, we sit down to talk with Nathan Nguyen, director of LGBT Student Services at Western Michigan University. Tune in as host Ralph Newell and Nguyen discuss his journey from an undergraduate who would “not be caught dead in an LGBT office” to running one. Nguyen also discusses his initiatives for promoting inclusion, raising awareness on campus, and advancing understanding that to be LGBTQ-inclusive is also about saving lives. KEY POINTS: - The mission and challenges facing LGBT Student Services - How to support LGBTQ students who are also in other marginalized groups - Student outreach and providing LGBTQ-friendly resources - Why LGBTQ inclusivity is also about saving lives - LGBTQ education in K-12, the workplace, and community QUOTABLES: “Folks will say, I’m an ally. And I just kind of give them this little look of like, well, what are you doing? What are you actively doing to help the community?” “Whenever these institutions are saying, we don't condone LGBTQ identities, or don't accept LGBTQ identities, they're basically saying that this is not a safe environment or a welcoming environment for someone who may be exploring their identity.” GUEST RESOURCES: Nathan Nguyễn, M. Ed. Director, LBGT Student Services he/him/his LBGT-director@wmich.edu PRODUCTS / RESOURCES: Watch this video and others on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/user/Diversediversedivers Visit the Diverse: Issues In Higher Education website: diverseeducation.com Or follow us on social media: Twitter: twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Transcription services are available upon request. Please drop us a line here. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at instapodcasts.com)

Jun 23, 2022 • 57min
EP 80: Leveling the Playing Field -- Student Success and Equity with Dr. Pam Eddinger, president of Bunker Hill Community College
Today’s episode is brought to you by CCCSE. For 20 years, CCCSE has delivered “aha” moments about the community college student experience based on insights that matter. As part of our CCCSE series on community college leadership, your host Ralph Newell sits down for a one-on-one with the president of Bunker Hill Community College, Dr. Pam Eddinger. Tune in as Dr. Pam Eddinger shares what she learned growing up as a Chinese American woman and immigrant, and what it means in terms of the idea of student success and equity today. Delving into a number of topics, don’t miss this passionate conversation on why student success is not just about what you learn in the classroom and Dr. Pam Eddinger’s initiatives to not only be a “woke” campus but one that knows ALL its students. KEY POINTS: - How Dr. Pam Eddinger’s diverse background helps inspire her students - Why student success is not just about what you learn in the classroom - The “unicorn” — Is there just one definition of student success? - “You cannot dismantle the master’s house with the master’s tools.” - Desegregating the “Earn and Learn” program - How and why student services matter, including affinity groups - Mental health support and strategies at Bunker Hill Community College QUOTABLES: “We have done so much to build a school-to-prison pipeline. We have not done enough to build a school-to-college pipeline for our black and brown populations.” “What else do we have to do for student engagement in order to level the playing field, to restore the privilege of our students of color, of our immigrant students, of the students outside the system in order to pull them into the system and give them what they need to succeed in the world.” PRODUCTS / RESOURCES: Watch this video and others on our YouTube channel: youtube.com/user/Diversediversedivers Visit the Diverse: Issues In Higher Education website: diverseeducation.com Or follow us on social media: Twitter: twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Transcription services are available upon request. Please drop us a line here. OTHER RESOURCES: Find President Pam Eddinger at: bhcc.edu/about/officeofthepresident Learn more about CCCSE at: cccse.org Other CCCSE-sponsored episodes: Race-Centric Equity Initiatives with Dr. Eboni Zamani-Gallaher, Director of the Office for Community College Research and Leadership diverseeducation.com/podcasts/podcast/15288101/racecentric-equity-initiatives-with-dr-eboni-zamanigallaher-director-of-the-office-for-community-college-research-and-leadership Raising the Bar with Dr. Phil Neal, president, Southcentral Kentucky Community & Technical College diverseeducation.com/podcasts/podcast/15290350/raising-the-bar-with-dr-phil-neal-president-southcentral-kentucky-community-technical-college Cradle to Graduation - Critical Community Connections With Dr. Robert Garza, president, Palo Alto College diverseeducation.com/podcasts/podcast/15291944/cradle-to-graduation-critical-community-connections-with-dr-robert-garza-president-palo-alto-college In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at instapodcasts.com)

Jun 16, 2022 • 20min
EP 79: Discussing Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion with College of the Holy Cross President Vincent Rougeau
In this episode, your host David Pluviose chats with Vincent Rougeau, who assumed office as 33rd president of the College of the Holy Cross on July 1, 2021. As the first lay and Black president in the College's history, tune in as President Rougeau speaks to the legacy and tradition of Jesuit education, as well as his hopes for its future in diversity, equity, and inclusion – focusing initiatives on the programming and support needed to create a welcoming culture rather than simply bringing in numbers of students from various communities of color. KEY POINTS: - Vincent Rougeau’s path to higher education leadership - Why Vincent Rougeau’s appointment at Holy Cross is so significant - Diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives at Holy Cross - Broadening the pipeline of diverse faculty - The legacy Vincent Rougeau hopes to leave QUOTABLES: “When I was speaking earlier about making sure that this is a community that truly embraces equity and inclusion, one of the ways you do that is by making sure that not only do you have a commitment to hiring diverse faculty but that you have a curriculum and academic programming and residential life programming that also reflects that commitment.” OTHER RESOURCES: Learn more about Vincent Rougeau at: holycross.edu/leadership/office-president PRODUCTS / RESOURCES: Visit the Diverse: Issues In Higher Education website: diverseeducation.com Or follow us on social media: Twitter: twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Transcription services are available upon request. Please drop us a line here. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at instapodcasts.com)

May 26, 2022 • 1h
Ep 78: Changing the Narrative of HBCU Athletics with Jacqie McWilliams
In this episode, host Ralph Newell welcomes Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association (CIAA) Commissioner and the first female to serve as Commissioner for the CIAA, Jacqie McWilliams. Debunking the misconception that HBCUs are less than, McWilliams speaks to the traditions, legacy, and cultural connection the CIAA has in their communities, providing student-athletes a good experience playing the game and opportunities to excel after the game is over. Don’t miss this conversation on the experiences of CIAA athletes past and present, opening the doors for people of color in collegiate sports leadership, and McWilliams’s aspirations for the next 50 years of the CIAA. KEY POINTS: - What makes the CIAA so special? - How does the CIAA attract student-athletes? - The experience of CIAA athletes, then and now - COVID-19’s impact on the CIAA conference - Jacqie McWilliams’s advice for women looking to have a career in sports - The future of women, especially of color, in collegiate sports QUOTABLES: “I think leadership has to continue to be intentional and thoughtful about what inclusive behaviors are, not just for Title IX, but equity, LGBTQ, and all those things that are important to the health and mental wellness of our student-athletes, our coaches, and administrators.” “The women that I saw, when you say you want to be what you want to see, I got to see that in the CIAA. And that's why this conference is so special. It’s so much beyond just the sport. It truly is a community for the nation.” OTHER RESOURCES: LEARN MORE ABOUT JACQIE MCWILLIAMS https://theciaa.com/staff.aspx?staff=1 College Athletics After COVID-19; What is the Impact? What Are the Ramifications? https://www.diverseeducation.com/webinars/webinar/15114121/college-athletics-after-covid19-what-is-the-impact-what-are-the-ramifications PRODUCTS / RESOURCES: Visit the Diverse: Issues In Higher Education website: diverseeducation.com Or follow us on social media: Twitter: twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Transcription services are available upon request. Please drop us a line here. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at instapodcasts.com)