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Diverse Education
Achieving equality in higher education. The stakes have never been higher. The issues never more complex. Who graduates, and why? Who is getting hired as faculty and what is their experience?
In each episode, we will look at issues surrounding students, faculty, diversity and inclusion, and skyrocketing college costs.
From critical conversation to news, numbers, and analysis — we've got you covered. You can count on Diverse's In The Margins to bring you the latest, most relevant thought leadership as it pertains to diversity, inclusion, and equity in higher education. As the national expert, we've been doing this for almost 40 years in print and on the web (diverseeducation.com). Now we are excited to expand the conversation via this podcast.
We will tackle these topics, and more, head-on. Listen weekly for a mix of deep dives, short briefs, expert panels, interviews, and more. We are thrilled to bring it to you here, in In The Margins.
In each episode, we will look at issues surrounding students, faculty, diversity and inclusion, and skyrocketing college costs.
From critical conversation to news, numbers, and analysis — we've got you covered. You can count on Diverse's In The Margins to bring you the latest, most relevant thought leadership as it pertains to diversity, inclusion, and equity in higher education. As the national expert, we've been doing this for almost 40 years in print and on the web (diverseeducation.com). Now we are excited to expand the conversation via this podcast.
We will tackle these topics, and more, head-on. Listen weekly for a mix of deep dives, short briefs, expert panels, interviews, and more. We are thrilled to bring it to you here, in In The Margins.
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Mar 7, 2024 • 43min
EP131: Black Women Ivory Tower: Revealing the Lies of White Supremacy in American Education with Dr. Jasmine L. Harris
In this episode, Diverse host David Pluviose engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Dr. Jasmine L. Harris, author of Black Women Ivory Tower: Revealing the Lies of White Supremacy in American Education. Harris is an associate professor of African American Studies and coordinator of the African American Studies Program in the Department of Race, Ethnicity, Gender, and Sexuality Studies at The University of Texas at San Antonio. Tune in as Pluviose and Harris discuss the often perilous intersection of race and gender in higher education and the imperative of raising awareness regarding racism and dehumanization within academia — as underscored by reflections on the resignation of Harvard University's first Black president. KEY POINTS: - Harris' journey through higher education as a Black female - On having perseverance in academia despite lacking knowledge and cultural barriers - Anti-DEI efforts in Texas and their impact on higher education - Black Women in Ivory Tower book, illuminating the intersection of race and gender in higher education - The importance of raising awareness of racism and dehumanization in academia - The anti-Blackness in higher education: Harvard University's removal of first Black president QUOTABLES: "One big takeaway is that, especially for Black women, the process is about perseverance. It's not measuring any intellect. It is about the ability to jump through hoops, commit to the sort of particular culture and structure of doctoral programs, and the socialization that they do to turn you into a professor in many ways." — Dr. Jasmine L. Harris "The timing for this book is great — and it certainly is. But it's a little sad in that way. We're in 2024; we just watched anti-Blackness remove the first Black president at Harvard University." — Dr. Jasmine L. Harris GUEST RESOURCES: Jasmine Harris (drjasmineharris.com) Book — Jasmine Harris (drjasmineharris.com) FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/Diverse-Issues-In-Higher-Education X (formerly Twitter): https://twitter.com/DiverseIssues Instagram: https://instagram.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation Facebook: https://facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation WATCH THIS VIDEO AND OTHERS ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/@DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation Closed captioning and live show transcription are available in the video for this episode. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by EPYC Media Network (visit at https://www.epyc.co/).

Feb 22, 2024 • 27min
EP130: Punished for Dreaming: How School Reform Harms Black Children and How We Can Heal with Dr. Bettina L. Love
Meet Dr. Bettina L. Love, the William F. Russell Professor at Teachers College, Columbia University, who delves into the complex dynamics of education reform and highlights its detrimental effects on Black children and communities. In this episode, Diverse host Dr. Jamal Watson engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Love, author of The New York Times best seller, Punished for Dreaming: How School Reform Harms Black Children and How We Can Heal. Tune in as Watson and Love discuss the influence of powerful narratives and critical analysis on Black children, challenging the traditional notions of philanthropy, reimagining the concept of harm, and advocating for meaningful repair in education. KEY POINTS: - Love's upbringing and its influence on her understanding of education reform - The intersection of race, education, and policy - The impact of education reforms on black children and communities - On abolition, reparations, and white philanthropy - The importance of centering Black voices in education reform efforts - The pivotal role of shifting societal paradigms for injustices and promoting healing QUOTABLES: "Abolition is so much about love and compassion but holding people accountable for harm. I believe, as an abolitionist, we can't have new structures and new understanding if we don't know what has been done to us and who did it to us." – Dr. Bettina Love "People think change starts in the streets, and it does. But we need change at your house. It's how you raise your children. It's how you talk to your children. It's how you talk to your partner. It's how you talk to the people in your community." – Dr. Bettina Love GUEST RESOURCES: Bettina Love Punished for Dreaming: How School Reform Harms Black Children and How We Heal FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/Diverse-Issues-In-Higher-Education X (formerly Twitter): https://twitter.com/DiverseIssues Instagram: https://instagram.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation Facebook: https://facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation WATCH THIS VIDEO AND OTHERS ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/@DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation Closed captioning and live show transcription are available in the video for this episode. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by EPYC Media Network (visit at https://www.epyc.co/).

Feb 8, 2024 • 28min
EP129: HBCU: The Power of Historically Black Colleges and Universities
Meet Dr. Marybeth Gasman, the Samuel DeWitt Proctor Endowed Chair and a Distinguished University Professor at Rutgers University, and Dr. Levon T. Esters, dean of the graduate school and vice provost for graduate education at Penn State University. They co-authored HBCU: The Power of Historically Black Colleges and Universities, published by Johns Hopkins Press. In this episode, Gasman and Esters join Diverse to discuss their newly released book chronicling the impact of HBCUs. Tune in as authors Gasman, Esters, and host Dr. Jamal Watson delve into the rich history, personal anecdotes, and enduring impact of HBCUs. Join an empowering conversation of distinctive cultures and identities cultivated within HBCUs that underscores the crucial role of philanthropy and alumni engagement toward sustaining the institutions. KEY POINTS: - Reasons that led Gasman and Esters to author the HBCU book - On understanding HBCUs' history, mission, and personal experiences - The passion to share inspiring narratives of HBCU alumni - The various opportunities and challenges of HBCUs - Key takeaways from the book, HBCU: The Power of Historically Black Colleges and Universities - On HBCUs' significance with experts and value to society QUOTABLES: "Sometimes people will talk about HBCUs in derogatory ways. This book gives you all the evidence to be able to talk about HBCUs in incredibly positive ways." – Dr. Marybeth Gasman "These institutions are of extreme value to our society… For me, being able to be part of this writing experience, being able to learn from those we interviewed and see my experience reflected into those — those interviews were powerful." – Dr. Levon T. Esters GUEST RESOURCES: Marybeth Gasman Levon T. Esters HBCUs: Catalysts for Economic Empowerment and Community Growth FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: X (formerly Twitter): http://twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: http://instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: http://facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: http://linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education WATCH THIS VIDEO AND OTHERS ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/@DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation Closed captioning and live show transcription are available in the video for this episode. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at Instapodcasts.com).

Jan 25, 2024 • 58min
EP128: Meet The Emerging Scholars of the Year, 2024
Each year, Diverse's editorial staff chooses Emerging Scholars from nominations that pour in from all over the country. The selections are based on several factors including uniqueness of scholarship, commitment to teaching, community service, scholarly awards, honors, and academic accomplishments. In this episode, we replay the Jan. 18 Diverse Talk Live! webcast, "Presenting the Emerging Scholars of the Year, 2024." In case you missed it, listen in to meet some outstanding leaders in this year's cohort. PANELISTS INCLUDE: Alexandrina Agloro, assistant professor, School for the Future of Innovation in Society, Arizona State University Taifha Natalee Alexander, director of the CRT Forward Project and law professor, UCLA Law School Jorge Burmicky, assistant professor of higher education leadership and policy studies, Howard University Luis A. Leyva, associate professor of mathematics education and STEM higher education, Vanderbilt University Brendan Skip Mark, assistant professor of political science and director of the Center for Nonviolence & Peace Studies, University of Rhode Island Renae Danielle Mayes, associate professor, Department of Disability & Psychoeducational Studies, University of Arizona Albee Mendoza, assistant professor of psychology, Delaware State University Dahlia Roberts Nduom, assistant professor, College of Engineering and Architecture, Howard University Melva Treviño Peña, assistant professor of sustainable agriculture and food systems, University of Rhode Island Terah J. Stewart, assistant professor of education, Iowa State University WATCH THIS VIDEO AND OTHERS ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/@DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation OTHER RESOURCES: Emerging Scholars Express Hope, Validation, and Drive During Webinar | Diverse: Issues In Higher Education (diverseeducation.com) FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: X (formerly Twitter): http://twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: http://instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: http://facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: http://linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Closed captioning and live show transcription are available in the video for this episode. In The Margins is produced by Diverse: Issues In Higher Education and edited by Instapodcasts (visit at Instapodcasts.com).

Dec 28, 2023 • 46min
EP127: The Antiracist School Leader, with Dr. Daman Harris
Dr. Daman Harris, cofounder of the BOND Project, discusses anti-racist education, addressing systemic inequalities, and the value of diversity in professional learning. They also explore unraveling unconscious biases, confronting white supremacist culture, and the impact of socialization into racial categories. This episode navigates key issues shaping education and equity today.

Dec 14, 2023 • 52min
EP126: Diverse Organizational Impact and Transformation (DOIT) Leaders Discuss Critical Need to Track Your Progress in Today's Climate
In this episode, we sit with leaders behind the Diverse Organizational Impact and Transformation certification program, DOIT. Tune in as Dr. Ken D. Coopwood, CEO of Coopwood Diversity Leadership & Education Universal (Coop Di Leu), and Dr. William B. Harvey, a distinguished scholar at the American Association for Access, Equity, and Diversity in Washington, D.C., join host Ralph Newell to discuss the significance of accountability in higher education institutions, provide insights on the DOIT Certification, and explain the pivotal role institutions of higher learning play in a democratic society. Coopwood and Harvey break down DOIT's four pillars for institutional transformation (from representational diversity to campus climate), debate views on critical race theory, and share helpful advice to help leaders address issues in diversity, equity, and inclusion in higher education. Do not miss out on this episode as our guests spotlight the critical need to track diversity progress in today's climate. KEY POINTS: On the importance of accountability in higher education institutions Coopwood's insights on the DOIT Certification What are the four (4) institutional pillars for transformation? The vital role of institutions of higher learning in a democratic society Critical race theory and its misrepresentation in institutions SCOTUS decision, and how can institutions achieve diversity? The pivotal role of transformational leadership to better support students On addressing diversity, equity, and inclusion in higher education What are the necessary steps for the DOIT certification? QUOTABLES: "These institutions – public or private, large or small, irrespective of location, irrespective of their fundamental [and] foundational aspects – they exist to make the society better." — Dr. William B. Harvey "We need institutional leaders to be futuristic, and their approach [to] science education, now more than ever — because without that, you're not going to ask the right questions, you're not going to address the historical illusion, and you're not going to be equipped to write a new narrative. And those things are the premises." – Dr. Ken D. Coopwood ADDITIONAL RESOURCES: Diverse Organizational Impact and Transformation Certification | Diverse: Issues In Higher Education (diverseeducation.com) FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: X (formerly Twitter): http://twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: http://instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: http://facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: http://linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education WATCH THIS VIDEO AND OTHERS ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/@DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation Closed captioning and live show transcription are available in the video for this episode.

Nov 30, 2023 • 32min
EP125: One-on-One with Black Trauma Surgeon and Author Dr. Brian H. Williams on Racism, Violence, Healing, and his Run for Congress
Meet Dr. Brian H. Williams, a distinguished trauma surgeon and author of The Bodies Keep Coming: Dispatches from a Black Trauma Surgeon on Racism, Violence, and How We Heal. In this episode, Diverse host David Pluviose engages in a conversation with the Air Force Academy graduate and Harvard University-trained surgeon on the intersection between public policy and critical issues like structural racism, gun violence, and health equity. Williams is a professor specializing in trauma and acute care surgery at the University of Chicago Medicine. His impactful work and insights have garnered recognition worldwide. With over two decades of expertise in treating victims of gun violence, Williams has also served as a Robert Wood Johnson Foundation Health Policy Fellow at the National Academy of Medicine. Explore Williams' remarkable journey, from the trauma bay to his current political campaign, as he passionately discusses solutions to address systemic issues, healthcare disparities, and the ongoing struggle for justice. We also dive deep into the emotional aftermath of the Dallas mass shooting, a pivotal moment that ignited Williams' commitment to broader societal healing. So, join Pluviose and Williams in this thought-provoking discussion about transformative healing. *As a bonus to this episode Williams has graciously offered one podcast listener a free signed copy of his book. To be eligible, let us know you have listened and share feedback @DiverseIssues on X (formerly Twitter). We want to hear from you by Dec. 31. Enjoy! KEY POINTS: - Williams' reflection on how the Dallas mass shooting served as his career's pivotal moment - The importance of having a personal healing journey - The impact of witnessing gun violence firsthand as a trauma surgeon - A glimpse into the writing process for The Bodies Keep Coming: Dispatches from a Black Trauma Surgeon on Racism, Violence, and How We Heal - Identification of strategies to create a system change, uplift the community, and address healthcare disparities - Factors that led to Williams' pursuing a candidacy in the Congress - How journaling can help in processing one's emotions - The importance of empathy and understanding in the face of tragedy - William's advocacy for gun safety policies QUOTABLES: "I say this frequently. I didn't choose trauma surgery; trauma surgery chose me." – Dr. Brian Williams "We have a majority of Americans that want to do something to reduce needless death and suffering due to firearms." – Dr. Brian Williams GUEST RESOURCES: Dr. Brian Williams Website: https://brianwilliamsmd.com/ X (formerly Twitter): @bhwilliamsmd LinkedIn: @bhwilliamsmd Instagram: @BrianHWilliamsMD Book: The Bodies Keep Coming: Dispatches from a Black Trauma Surgeon on Racism, Violence, and How We Heal. To purchase, go to https://www.broadleafbooks.com/store/product/9781506483122/The-Bodies-Keep-Coming OR FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: X (formerly Twitter): http://twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: http://instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: http://facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: http://linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education WATCH THIS VIDEO AND OTHERS ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/@DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation Closed captioning and live show transcription are available in the video for this episode.

Nov 16, 2023 • 40min
EP124: Empowering Futures: The Impactful Initiatives of Phoenix College for Latino Students, with Dr. Kimberly Britt
Dr. Kimberly Britt, President of Phoenix College, discusses the college's commitment to Latino student success, including various initiatives in academic and personal development. The importance of family involvement, programs reducing barriers in STEM education, addressing mental health challenges, and the significance of self-expression and cultural identity within higher education are also highlighted.

Oct 26, 2023 • 33min
EP123: An Accidental Triumph: The Improbable History of American Higher Education, with Dr. Sol Gittleman
Dr. Sol Gittleman, renowned professor, explores the dynamic nature of American higher education. They discuss the evolution of the system, impact of World War II, challenges faced by faculty, COVID-19 effects, college closings, diversity initiatives, and importance of studying American history.

Oct 12, 2023 • 28min
EP122: From Debt to Wealth: The Path Forward with Robert F. Smith's Student Freedom Initiative
In this episode, Diverse welcomes Dr. Mark Brown, the executive director of the Student Freedom Initiative (SFI). Brown joins podcast host David Pluviose in exploring the initiative's mission and vision for addressing the enduring challenges posed by student debt and the wealth gap in America. Brown sheds light on the genesis of SFI at Morehouse College, initiated by philanthropist Robert F. Smith, and how it has expanded to benefit not only historically Black colleges and universities (HBCUs) but tribal colleges. SFI is a modern funding, transformative educational program designed to address common economic challenges and enhance information technology infrastructure. The initiative seeks to ensure perpetual support for participating schools to bridge wealth gaps and diversify talent pipelines. It offers innovative income-contingent agreements for STEM students that enable flexible income-based repayments. SFI further invests in students through grants for non-tuition-related emergencies and financial management courses. Discover how SFI is pioneering this innovative approach to education financing with partnerships and an aim toward a groundbreaking endowment without walls. Tune into the conversation between Brown and Pluviose as they underscore the importance of expanding the initiative's reach and invite others to join in the journey. KEY POINTS: - Understanding SFI's vision to bridge the wealth gap through education - Empowering students with alternatives such as income-contingent agreements and parent-plus loans - Financial literacy for college students, parents, and underrepresented groups - HBCU partnerships that create job opportunities and certifications - The ultimate goal, achieving a $500 million endowment without walls by 2028 - Why join the movement for economic empowerment QUOTABLES: "Our focus of all those things, and where they weave together, is the wealth gap in America through the lens of education." – Dr. Mark Brown "By the year 2028, we need a $500 million endowment without walls for all of our participating schools. It needs to be unique in this way. Some of the resources that are in that $500 million are philanthropic for sure." – Dr. Mark Brown GUEST RESOURCES: Student Freedom Initiative Partners with New Investment Fund to Raise the Capital of HBCUs. The historic fund launches a $10.35M growth fund for participating HBCUs. Read the full article: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230606005191/en/Student-Freedom-Initiative-Partners-With-New-Investment-Fund-to-Raise-the-Capital-of-HBCUs Check out the Student Freedom Initiative website, here. OR FOLLOW US ON SOCIAL MEDIA: Twitter: http://twitter.com/diverseissues Instagram: http://instagram.com/diverseissuesinhighereducation Facebook: http://facebook.com/DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation/ Linkedin: http://linkedin.com/company/diverse-issues-in-higher-education Transcription services are available upon request. Please drop us a line using the form found here. WATCH THIS VIDEO AND OTHERS ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL: https://www.youtube.com/@DiverseIssuesInHigherEducation


