
Talking Data
Welcome to Talking Data: A series of podcasts hosted by Arbor Research featuring Jim Bianco of Bianco Research, Sam Rines and Petr Pinkhasov of Arbor Data Science.
We will host a series of discussions which will offer timely insights into macro data and its impact on the economy and markets.
Arbor Research & Trading is an institutional research and brokerage firm that produces innovative research across a broad range of global fixed-income, equity currency, and commodity markets.
For further information on Arbor Research & Trading please contact Gus Handler at gus.handler@arborresearch.com.
Latest episodes

Feb 14, 2024 • 4min
Jim Bianco joins CNBC Last Call to discuss Passive vs Active Investing
Jim Bianco joins CNBC Last Call to discuss Passive vs Active Investing with Brian Sullivan.

Feb 11, 2024 • 32min
Jim Bianco on the Real Story Behind Inflation and Higher Interest Rates
Wall Street is betting on the Fed cutting rates as well as lower borrowing costs across the credit spectrum. Jim Puplava sits down with Jim Bianco at Bianco Research to discuss how things may turn out differently than what Wall Street expects given what we see with the bond market, housing prices, and continued consumer spending.

Feb 9, 2024 • 34min
Banking Crisis Back to Haunt Us? Why We Can’t Rule Out a Complete System Failure: Jim Bianco
Daniela Cambone speaks with Jim Bianco, founder and president of Bianco Research, to discuss the recent rise in Treasury yields, its impact on the economy, the state of the banking system, and the real estate market. Bianco explains that the rise in Treasury yields indicates a rejection of previous lows, setting up a base for higher yields. "It means that the economy is doing OK," he continues. However, he points out that inflation becomes a concern as the Fed may not cut rates until the summer. Additionally, Bianco states that systematic risk within the U.S. banking sector cannot be ruled out, as many smaller banks engaged in commercial real estate lending have been negatively impacted by the discounted value of office buildings. “What is an office worth today when people only go there three days a week? And the answer is we don't quite know, but we do know it's not what it was worth in 2019.” He also explains the reasons behind the current real estate recession and suggests strategies for protecting wealth in this uncertain environment. Watch the video to learn more about his insights.
Timestamps:
0:00 10-year yield and the Fed
2:03 Economy
4:33 Wall Street and the Fed rate cuts
7:01 Wealth disparity
10:10 U.S. equities outlook
14:46 Election year
17:25 U.S. banking system
22:03 Real estate recession
25:12 Gold
30:09 Owning physical gold

Feb 6, 2024 • 7min
Jim Bianco joins Fox Business to discuss the "No Landing" Outlook, Rate Cuts in 24, Food Inflation
Jim Bianco joins Fox Business to discuss the "No Landing" Outlook, Rate Cuts in 24, Food Inflation with Charles Payne.

Feb 5, 2024 • 50min
Jim Bianco's Masterclass on Federal Reserve Policies and Market Trends
Unlock the secrets of the Fed's influence over the markets as we sit down with Jim Bianco, the respected mind behind Bianco Research, who's here to deconstruct the perplexing relationship between Federal Reserve policy and market behavior. Our conversation bridges the gap between the pandemic's economic upheaval and the resulting new norms in work culture, real estate, and the bond market's response to inflationary pressures and rate shifts. Jim's insights on the Bianco Total Return Index and its ETF, WCBN, shine a light on investment strategies that cater to the informed investor, eager to navigate the currents of economic indicators with a seasoned captain at the helm.As we traverse the financial terrain, the topic of wealth distribution and economic assistance takes center stage. Jim artfully dissects the curious case of robust corporate bond issuance amid lackluster performance in some stock sectors, emphasizing the stark disparity in asset ownership and debt across income levels. This segment of our discussion isn't just an analysis; it's a call to contemplate the intricate forces shaping market liquidity and consumer choices. Prepare to be engrossed by our examination of credit spreads, the spending habits of diverse economic strata, and the interplay between consumer behavior and inflation.The final stretch of our journey with Jim Bianco casts a spotlight on how technology and international policy shifts are redefining investment strategies. From the potential global impact of Japan's monetary policy to the prospective role of AI in finance, we tackle the pivotal questions facing today's investors. Whether you're adjusting your approach to yield management in fixed income investments or timing the launch of new ETFs, Jim's foresight offers a roadmap for the prudent investor navigating an ever-evolving fiscal landscape. Tune in and equip yourself with the acumen to thrive in the complex world of finance.

Feb 1, 2024 • 26min
Talking Data Episode #285: Is Goods Inflation About to Make a Return?
Welcome to the latest edition of Talking Data. Our Talking Data series seeks to offer timely insights into macro market themes along with macro data and its impact on the economy and markets.
I am your host Kristen Radosh of Arbor Research and Trading. Our commentator is Jim Bianco of Bianco Research.
Today Jim discusses the resurgence of goods inflation.
· What’s the latest with shipping?
· How is this impacting prices?
· When do things return to normal?
Thank you for joining us today. We are client driven, if you have any questions or feedback on future topics, please let us know.
For further information on Arbor Research, Bianco Research and Arbor Data Science, please contact Gus Handler at gus.handler@arborresearch.com.

Jan 31, 2024 • 16min
DoubleLine Capital Round Table Prime 2024: Audience Q&A
DoubleLine's 2024 Round Table Prime was hosted in front of a live audience for the first time. After panelists presented their best ideas for 2024, the audience Q&A sparked candid debate ranging from commercial real estate, geopolitics, elections, corporate debt and budget negotiations.
(00:06) Bank Term Funding Program
(02:01) What Upsets the Applecart?
(03:49) Bank Excess Reserves
(06:00) Corporate Debt

Jan 31, 2024 • 15min
Jim Bianco joins Bloomberg to discuss today's FOMC Meeting, Bond Market Volatility & Inflation
Jim Bianco joins Bloomberg to discuss today’s the Ramifications of Record High Equities, today’s FOMC Meeting, Bond Market Volatility, the Bank of Japan & the Path of Inflation with Manus Cranny and Kate Moore.

Jan 29, 2024 • 5min
Jim Bianco joins Fox Business to discuss Changes in the Workplace Environment & Remote Work
Jim Bianco joins Fox Business to discuss Changes in the Workplace Environment & Remote Work with Charles Payne.

Jan 26, 2024 • 1h 14min
Jim Bianco on a “No Landing” Economy, Sticky Inflation and Powell Pivot - Episode #149
Jim Bianco, President of market and macroeconomic research firm Bianco Research, appears Jan. 11, 2024, with hosts Jeffrey Sherman and Samuel Lau to discuss among other issues his outlook for a “no landing” U.S. economy in 2024 (1:48), sticky inflation of 3% to 4% (3:25) and his theory on Fed Chair Jerome H. Powell’s dovish turn (9:35) on Dec. 13. “The problem with the economy is there isn’t a problem,” Mr. Bianco says. “My biggest concern is too much growth and sticky inflation.”
Between a hawkish Powell speech on Dec. 1 and Powell’s softened stance on Dec. 13, the data showed no change in economic fundamentals. So what changed his mind? Mr. Bianco notes (10:33) that Federal Reserve officials prefer unanimous or near-unanimous votes on monetary policy and bank regulations. He suspects “a bunch of doves” among the FOMC’s voting members let Chair Powell know they were prepared to vote in dissent, “and I think he acquiesced.”
Mr. Bianco thinks the biggest change (15:26) in the economy coming out of 2020 was remote work. On economic fundamentals (21:24), he sees little case for “a macro problem with the labor market” or trouble with the consumer. He does note warning signs in credit and the potentially problematic rise of the U.S. government’s interest expense.
Asked about exogenous risks (25:55), Mr. Bianco points to attacks on commercial shipping in the Red Sea and the consequent rerouting of 30% to 40% of the world’s cargo shipping from that critical Asia-Europe route to around Africa. Mr. Bianco warns delays will spell inventory trouble not only in Europe but in the U.S.
Mr. Bianco has some criticism of the Federal Reserve (46:33). “The Fed first raised rates in March of 2022. What was the year-over-year inflation rate when they finally got to the first rate hike? It was 8.6%. Boy, they waited way, way, way too long before they got it.”
Messrs. Sherman and Lau also discuss with Mr. Bianco why the bond market sometimes is “smarter at sniffing out disaster” than the stock market (51:20), the absence of recession despite protracted recessionary warnings from leading indicators (52:54) and complacency in the credit market (1:06:03).