
For the Sake of Argument
Interviews and Debates with leaders in Philosophy, Politics, and Science
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Jul 9, 2024 • 45min
#53: Lee Cronin: Assembly Theory, Consciousness, LLMs
In this interview, Lee Cronin shares his secret about LLMs, Consciousness, and Assembly Theory.
Professor Lee Cronin is the Regius Chair of Chemistry at the University of Glasgow. He was elected to the Fellowship of the Royal Society of Edinburgh, and is the CEO of Chemify.
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Timeline:
00:00 - The secret about LLMs, Consciousness, and Assembly Theory
00:12 - Introductions
01:00 - What is Assembly Theory?

Jul 6, 2024 • 47min
#52: RuslanKD: Life Story & Pageau Debate Recap
In this conversation, RuslanKD and I talk about my debate with Jonathan Pageau, and we delve into Ruslan's life story.
Ruslan KD is a Christian YouTuber, hip hop artist, and entrepreneur. A refugee from Baku, Azerbaijan, Ruslan moved to the US as a child. His YouTube channel has over 600,000 subscribers.
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@jakenewfield
Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4k9DDGJz02ibpUpervM5EY
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/for-the-sake-of-argument/id1567749546
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JakeNewfield
Timeline
00:00 - Jonathan Pageau recap
04:18 - Introductions
05:12 - Ruslan KD's life story

Jun 23, 2024 • 27min
#51: Susan Blackmore: What is Consciousness?
Susan Blackmore is a writer, lecturer, sceptic, broadcaster, and a professor at the University of Plymouth. Her fields of research include memetics, parapsychology, consciousness, and she is best known for her book The Meme Machine.
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Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4k9DDGJz02ibpUpervM5EY
Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/for-the-sake-of-argument/id1567749546
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JakeNewfield
Timeline:
00:00 - Introductions
02:00 - What is consciousness?
09:35 - Bernardo Kastrop
12:00 - Daniel Dennett, Donald Hoffman
15:10 - Life After Death?

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Jun 21, 2024 • 52min
#50: Jonathan Pageau DEBATE vs Atheist
French Canadian icon carver, Jonathan Pageau, debates an atheist on symbolism in religion, art, and culture. They discuss the coherence of symbols in rituals, the divinity of the Bible, interpreting religious beliefs, and the transformative power of unity through purpose and pattern. The podcast delves into the spiritual significance of icon carving, bridging ideological divides, and using dance as a metaphor for balance and understanding.

Jun 20, 2024 • 29min
#49: John Vervaeke: What is Zen NeoPlatonism?
Philosopher and cognitive scientist John Vervaeke discusses Zen Neoplatonism, blending Zen Buddhism and Neoplatonism to address the Meaning Crisis. They explore the ungraspable nature of ultimate reality, bridge subjectivity and objectivity, and advocate for a non-theistic approach to spiritual growth. The discussion emphasizes integrated thinking, transcendent experiences, and the significance of space as a metaphor in cognition and rationality.

Jun 14, 2024 • 42min
#48: Andy Norman: Trump vs Biden Woke Mind Virus - Debate
Andy Norman, PhD, is the award-winning author of Mental Immunity: Infectious Ideas, Mind-Parasites, and the Search for a Better Way to Think. His work has appeared in Scientific American, Psychology Today, Skeptic, Free Inquiry, and The Humanist. He has appeared on The Joe Rogan Experience, public radio, The BBC’s Naked Scientist, and The Young Turks.
In this episode, Andy and I debate Trump vs Biden and discuss Elon Musk's Woke Mind Virus.
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Jun 11, 2024 • 52min
#47: Amna Khalid: How DEI is Killing Diversity
Amna Khalid is an Associate Professor in the Department of History at Carleton College.
In this episode, Amna discusses:
1. How DEI is hurting us
2. Donald Trump
3. New Legislation which would prevent discussion around The Holocaust
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Twitter: https://twitter.com/JakeNewfield

Jun 4, 2024 • 1h 21min
#46: Zach Bitter: Jakob Ingebrigsten Debate & World Records
Zach Bitter is the former World Record Holder for the 100-mile run and the 12-hour run. Zach is a professional endurance athlete, endurance coach, and podcast host of the Human Performance Outliers Podcast.
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Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/for-the-sake-of-argument/id1567749546
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JakeNewfield

May 23, 2024 • 47min
#45: Michael Levin: Regenerative Limbs, Intelligence, Consciousness, Free Will
Michael Levin is an American developmental and synthetic biologist at Tufts University, where he is the Vannevar Bush Distinguished Professor. Levin is a director of the Allen Discovery Center at Tufts University and Tufts Center for Regenerative and Developmental Biology.
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May 23, 2024 • 36min
#44: Jepson Taylor: Artificial General Intelligence, Consciousness, Ultra Marathons
Jepson Taylor is the former Chief AI Strategist at DataRobot and Dataiku.
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