

The Dov Baron Show
Dov Baron
The Dov Baron Show: Unmasking Hidden Truths for High-Profile Deep Thinkers
This isn’t just another leadership podcast. It’s a high-stakes exploration into the minds of those shaping the world... minus the usual talking points.
Every episode is a raw, unscripted collaboration between my guest and me, Dov Baron, as we dive into the truths no one else dares to ask about. My guests? Often unknown to the general public but absolute titans in their fields—the kind of people high-profile leaders turn to when they need an edge.
Here, generous curiosity meets bold conversation. Expect a mix of playful irreverence and deep intellectual firepower that forces you to rethink what you thought you knew.
If you’re the kind of leader who craves depth over soundbites and insight over ego-stroking, hit subscribe—because this is where real thinkers come to sharpen their edge.
This isn’t just another leadership podcast. It’s a high-stakes exploration into the minds of those shaping the world... minus the usual talking points.
Every episode is a raw, unscripted collaboration between my guest and me, Dov Baron, as we dive into the truths no one else dares to ask about. My guests? Often unknown to the general public but absolute titans in their fields—the kind of people high-profile leaders turn to when they need an edge.
Here, generous curiosity meets bold conversation. Expect a mix of playful irreverence and deep intellectual firepower that forces you to rethink what you thought you knew.
If you’re the kind of leader who craves depth over soundbites and insight over ego-stroking, hit subscribe—because this is where real thinkers come to sharpen their edge.
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May 1, 2022 • 29min
1/2 Gorillas Can Dance: Shameen Prashantham
We are all aware that business, as usual, is over. In many ways, agility is the new certainty. Every startup hopes and dreams that one day they'll have the power and leverage of an industry giant. However, in becoming so big, those industry giants lose a lot of their agility. But what if these two very different ways of doing business found a way to come together? What could the Gorillas of industry teach startups? Moreover, could the startup teach these gorillas how to dance? Let’s find out, our guest for the next two episodes is Dr. Shameen Prashantham. Dr. Prashantham is a Professor of International Business & Strategy and Associate Dean (MBA) at China Europe International Business School (CEIBS) in Shanghai, China. He is teaching executives or giving talks around the world, including in Bangalore, Beijing, Berlin, Edinburgh, Johannesburg, Lagos, London, Mexico City, Munich, Nairobi, New Delhi, Shanghai, Silicon Valley, Tel Aviv, and Zurich. Dr. Prashantham is also the author of, Gorillas Can Dance. Lessons from Microsoft and Other Corporations on Partnering with Startups. Website: https://gorillascandance.com Book: https://amzn.to/3C511hR Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/shameen-prashantham-34a95aa1 Part 1) The Dance of Trust Making a Difference From NGO to Start-ups and Microsoft Getting Past the Gatekeepers Getting Gorillas to Trust Startups Getting Startup’s to Trust Gorillas Non-Peripheral Skunks The Big Lessons from Microsoft Curious about how to tap into what drives meaning in your life and create meaningful transformation in the lives you touch? Take a look at DovBaron.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Apr 27, 2022 • 39min
2/2 Commander (ret) David Sears: Separating Black Swans from Black Elephants:
Separating Black Swans from Black Elephants! Problems today are more complex and more multi-faceted than ever before. In order to just make it through the next few years, you and I already need problem-solving skills that are likely far beyond what we’ve been applying. Problem-solving demands a level of thinking that is far beyond black and white solutions. There is context, complexity, nuance, and agility required. But how can you step into that level of leadership? The answer is, we must learn to think about thinking. Let’s find out how. Our guest for the next two episodes is (ret) Commander David Sears who served 20 years of active military duty within the United States Special Operations Command as a U.S. Navy SEAL officer. David served on multiple east coast SEAL Teams, Naval Special Warfare Development Group, Joint Commands, and Headquarters USSOCOM. Today, David is a leadership speaker, the Co-Founder and Managing Partner at Xundis Global, an independent consultant, and the author of Smarter Not Harder: 17 Navy SEAL Maxims to Elevate Critical Thinking and Prosper in Business and Life. Website http://www.dcsears.com https://www.thinkingcrisp.com Book: Smarter Not Harder: https://tinyurl.com/Smarter-Harder Social Media Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dcsears LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-sears-94a88854 Part 2) Separating Black Swans from Black Elephants Don't Kill the Messenger (or you won't get any messages) The Advantage of Welcoming Others into Your Thinking Are You Gathering Info or Making a Decision? Don't Drop Off Your Monkey with Someone Else The Self-Aware Organization Reading the Signs, Other Won't See. Black Swans from Black Elephants and the Dangers of Denial! Curious about how to tap into what drives meaning in your life and create meaningful transformation in the lives you touch? Take a look at DovBaron.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Apr 24, 2022 • 37min
1/2 Think about Thinking, Smarter not Harder: Commander (ret) David Sears
Russia at War a Business Metaphor Problems today are more complex and more multi-faceted than ever before. In order to just make it through the next few years, you and I already need problem-solving skills that are likely far beyond what we’ve been applying. Problem-solving demands a level of thinking that is far beyond black and white solutions. There is context, complexity, nuance, and agility required. But how can you step into that level of leadership? The answer is, we must learn to think about thinking. Let’s find out how. Our guest for the next two episodes is (ret) Commander David Sears who served 20 years of active military duty within the United States Special Operations Command as a U.S. Navy SEAL officer. David served on multiple east coast SEAL Teams, Naval Special Warfare Development Group, Joint Commands, and Headquarters USSOCOM. Today, David is a leadership speaker, the Co-Founder and Managing Partner at Xundis Global, an independent consultant, and author of Smarter Not Harder: 17 Navy SEAL Maxims to Elevate Critical Thinking and Prosper in Business and Life. Website http://www.dcsears.com https://www.thinkingcrisp.com Book: Smarter Not Harder: https://tinyurl.com/Smarter-Harder Social Media Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dcsears LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-sears-94a88854 Part 1) Russia at War a Business Metaphor Why Leadership Development is Thinking Development Think about Thinking. Biased about Biases Working the Mental Muscle Letting Go or Quitting (knowing the difference) Gatekeeper why you need them, and getting around them Russia's War with Ukraine The Leadership Lessons The Ripples of War Will vs Capability. Curious about how to tap into what drives meaning in your life and create meaningful transformation in the lives you touch? Take a look at DovBaron.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Apr 20, 2022 • 30min
2/2: What's Your Learning Velocity?: Steve Cadigan
Here's Why The Future of Work is The Future of Learning! Futurists tell us that over 50 percent of jobs today will soon be replaced by automation and AI. The shelf lives of certain skills are diminishing rapidly. Longstanding industries and industry leaders are being massively disrupted. These staggering changes are challenging our concepts of what a career really looks like today and how we should build organizations going forward. We are facing what today’s guest has called, “a Workquake.” The Pandemic has had a profound impact on every area of our lives. The shockwaves have impacted everything from physical and mental health, to supply chain and political power. However, this is also a perfect opportunity to tackle the challenges we have been ignoring or denying. How? Let's find out. Our guest for the next two episodes is Steve Cadigan. Steve sees his mission in life to help individuals and organizations unlock their greatness and discover their magic. He is an expert in the future of work and is considered a corporate culture guru, bringing winning insights from over thirty years of HR experience to industry titans like Google, Salesforce, The Royal Bank of Scotland, McKinsey, the BBC, as well as venture capital firms like Andreessen Horowitz. Steve Cadigan speaks around the world at global conferences and major universities. Steve is famous for architecting LinkedIn's amazing culture during its years of hyper-growth, seen by many as the gold standard. His latest book is, Workquake: Embracing the Aftershocks of COVID-19 to Create a Better Model of Working. Website: https://stevecadigan.com Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/cadigan https://www.instagram.com/stevecadigan https://www.tiktok.com/@stevecadigan Part 2) The Future of Work - Future of Learning Career as an Experimental Lab Why There's No More Waiting Cultures and Micro-Cultures The Death of Pedigree Experience or Learning Where Future Value is Invested Why Many Companies Will Fail Due to a Lack of Creativity Hunger, Learning Velocity and Resilience. Curious about how to tap into what drives meaning in your life and create meaningful transformation in the lives you touch? Take a look at DovBaron.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Apr 17, 2022 • 28min
1/2: Steve Cadigan: Thriving Through The Workquake
Futurists tell us that over 50 percent of jobs today will soon be replaced by automation and AI. The shelf lives of certain skills are diminishing rapidly. Longstanding industries and industry leaders are being massively disrupted. These staggering changes are challenging our concepts of what a career really looks like today and how we should build organizations going forward. We are facing what today’s guest has called, “a Workquake.” The Pandemic has had a profound impact on every area of our lives. The shockwaves have impacted everything from physical and mental health, to supply chain and political power. However, this is also a perfect opportunity to tackle the challenges we have been ignoring or denying. How? Let's find out. Our guest for the next two episodes is Steve Cadigan. Steve sees his mission in life to help individuals and organizations unlock their greatness and discover their magic. He is an expert in the future of work and is considered a corporate culture guru, bringing winning insights from over thirty years of HR experience to industry titans like Google, Salesforce, The Royal Bank of Scotland, McKinsey, the BBC, as well as venture capital firms like Andreessen Horowitz. Steve Cadigan’s speaks around the world at global conferences and major universities. Steve is famous for architecting LinkedIn's amazing culture during their years of hyper-growth, seen by many as the gold standard. His latest book is, Workquake: Embracing the Aftershocks of COVID-19 to Create a Better Model of Working. Website: https://stevecadigan.com Social Media https://www.linkedin.com/in/cadigan https://www.instagram.com/stevecadigan https://www.tiktok.com/@stevecadigan Part 1) Alumni, Your Greatest Untapped Resource The Burden of Building for an Exit Lessons in Cultural Destruction from Byte Dance, Uber and WeWork Why Lack of “Tenure" is NOT the Problem! What are Employees Really Loyal to? When Production Cycles are Faster Than Learning Cycles Why Investors Put Money into Tesla over Ford. Why See Your Alumni as Having Abandoned You is Shooting Yourself in The Foot! Curious about how to tap into what drives meaning in your life and create meaningful transformation in the lives you touch? Take a look at DovBaron.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Apr 13, 2022 • 29min
2/2 Emily Chang: The "AND" of Contradiction
As a leader today, if you have not considered what your legacy is, or at least could be? Without a Legacy project, you are going to find it very hard to lead a Millennial workforce and pretty much impossible to lead Gen-Z. That being said, you’re busy. There are deadlines and shareholder meetings. Everyone is pulling at you. So, how can you find out what your legacy is, as a human and as a leader? Well, that’s where we are going, so stay tuned. Our guest for the next two episodes is Emily Chang. Emily is the CEO of McCann Worldgroup, one of the Big Four global marketing firms, with an integrated network of advertising agencies in over 120 countries. She is a seasoned executive who has worked with some of the world’s most renowned companies like Procter & Gamble, Apple, and Starbucks. Over the last twenty-two years, Emily’s job has brought her and her family to eight different homes across USA and China. Everywhere she’s lived, Emily has found herself at the unique intersection of what she terms, her Offer and Offense. Life has served up young people who have been abused, neglected or marginalized, to find sanctuary in her spare room. Among her deeply personal accounts, Emily shares heart-wrenching stories of an emotionally abused child bride, rescuing a dying baby boy, and the abused daughter of a local prostitute. With the sixteen young people she and her family have cared for, Emily has found that living into her Social Legacy has not only deeply enriched her home life, it has also enabled her to become a more authentic and relatable leader in the workplace. The depth of these stories is covered in a long-form, heart-wrenching and truly inspiring interview Emily did with us on Curiosity Bites. (https://shows.acast.com/curiosity-bites/episodes/13-emily-chang-inconvenient-purpose-the-price-of-miracles) Now, more than ever, social purpose has become an urgent leadership imperative. Emily’s latest book, The Spare Room, will help you identify your Social Legacy to live a more intentional life and lead with authentic purpose. Website: https://social-legacy.com Social: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilychang8621 https://www.instagram.com/thespareroom.emilychang Part 2) The "AND" of Contradiction Vulnerability and Confidence Why You Should Take Your Kids to Work The Power of AND Authentic - A-Holes! What it Means to Be "Authentic" The Action of Purpose! Loyalty and Inspiration Why The Future of Leadership is Hard & Soft Curious about how to tap into what drives meaning in your life and create meaningful transformation in the lives you touch? Take a look at DovBaron.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Apr 10, 2022 • 27min
1/2 Social Legacy Leadership: Emily Chang
As a leader today, if you have not considered what your legacy is, or at least could be? Without a Legacy project, you are going to find it very hard to lead a Millennial workforce and pretty much impossible to lead Gen-Z. That being said, you’re busy. There are deadlines and shareholder meetings. Everyone is pulling at you. So, how can you find out what your legacy is, as a human and as a leader? Well, that’s where we are going, so stay tuned. Our guest for the next two episodes is Emily Chang. Emily is the CEO of McCann Worldgroup, one of the Big Four global marketing firms, with an integrated network of advertising agencies in over 120 countries. She is a seasoned executive who has worked with some of the world’s most renowned companies like Procter & Gamble, Apple, and Starbucks. Over the last twenty-two years, Emily’s job has brought her and her family to eight different homes across USA and China. Everywhere she’s lived, Emily has found herself at the unique intersection of what she terms, her Offer and Offense. Life has served up young people who have been abused, neglected or marginalized, to find sanctuary in her spare room. Among her deeply personal accounts, Emily shares heart-wrenching stories of an emotionally abused child bride, rescuing a dying baby boy, and the abused daughter of a local prostitute. With the sixteen young people she and her family have cared for, Emily has found that living into her Social Legacy has not only deeply enriched her home life, it has also enabled her to become a more authentic and relatable leader in the workplace. The depth of these stories is covered in a long-form, heart-wrenching and truly inspiring interview Emily did with us on Curiosity Bites. (https://shows.acast.com/curiosity-bites/episodes/13-emily-chang-inconvenient-purpose-the-price-of-miracles) Now, more than ever, social purpose has become an urgent leadership imperative. Emily’s latest book, The Spare Room, will help you identify your Social Legacy to live a more intentional life and lead with authentic purpose. Website: https://social-legacy.com Social: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emilychang8621 https://www.instagram.com/thespareroom.emilychang Part 1) Defining What Pisses You Off Promotion as a set-up for failure or Success Comfort for The Spirit, a CEO's Path Finding the Extraordinary in Everyone The Cross Roads of Offence and Offer Determining Your Framework Curious about how to tap into what drives meaning in your life and create meaningful transformation in the lives you touch? Take a look at DovBaron.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Apr 6, 2022 • 27min
2/2 The Paradoxical Leadership Acid Test: Dr. Tim Elmore
The Eight Paradoxes of Great Leadership Leaders at the top of their game must embrace the paradoxes of modern leadership. We must understand that strategies, tactics, and decision-making are important. However, to be outstanding, we have all got to be applying the behavioral and social sciences. But, how can we embrace these seemingly conflicting demands of today's workplace? Well, that’s where we are going in the next two episodes. Our guest for the next two episodes is Dr. Tim Elmore. Tim is the founder and CEO of Growing Leader, an Atlanta‐based non‐profit organization created to develop emerging leaders. His work grew out of 20 years of serving alongside Leadership Icon, John C. Maxwell. That being said, Tim Elmore is not standing in anyone’s shadow. He has appeared in The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, USA Today, Psychology Today, and he’s been featured on CNN’s Headline News as well as Fox and Friends to talk about leading multiple generations in the marketplace. Tim has written over 35 books including, Habitudes: Images That Form Leadership Habits and Attitudes. However, his latest book is The Eight Paradoxes of Great Leadership: Embracing the Conflicting Demands of Today's Workplace. More on Tim Elmore: Websites: https://www.timelmore.com www.growingleaders.com Book: https://tinyurl.com/Tims8Paradoxes Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/drtimelmore https://twitter.com/timelmore https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothyelmore Part 2) The Paradoxical Leadership Acid Test Why it's Harder to Lead Today Than Yesterday The Controversial Leadership Acid Test... Could You Pass? Winning Hearts Before Minds Why Leaders Must Be Dentists Great Leaders are Readers (We're not referring to books) Poet and Gardener Leaders Leadership Lessons from Dogs Curious about how to tap into what drives meaning in your life and create meaningful transformation in the lives you touch? Take a look at DovBaron.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Apr 3, 2022 • 28min
1/2 The Eight Paradoxes of Great Leadership: Tim Elmore
The Eight Paradoxes of Great Leadership Leaders at the top of their game must embrace the paradoxes of modern leadership. We must understand that strategies, tactics, and decision-making are important. However, to be outstanding, we have all got to be applying the behavioral and social sciences. But, how can we embrace these seemingly conflicting demands of today's workplace? Well, that’s where we are going in the next two episodes. Our guest for the next two episodes is Dr. Tim Elmore. Tim is the founder and CEO of Growing Leader, an Atlanta‐based non‐profit organization created to develop emerging leaders. His work grew out of 20 years of serving alongside Leadership Icon, John C. Maxwell. That being said, Tim Elmore is not standing in anyone’s shadow. He has appeared in The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, USA Today, Psychology Today, and he’s been featured on CNN’s Headline News as well as Fox and Friends to talk about leading multiple generations in the marketplace. Tim has written over 35 books including, Habitudes: Images That Form Leadership Habits and Attitudes. However, his latest book is The Eight Paradoxes of Great Leadership: Embracing the Conflicting Demands of Today's Workplace. More on Tim Elmore: Websites: https://www.timelmore.com www.growingleaders.com Book: https://tinyurl.com/Tims8Paradoxes Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/drtimelmore https://twitter.com/timelmore https://www.linkedin.com/in/timothyelmore Part 1) Socio-Emotional Intelligence of Next-Gen Leadership Crock Pot Vs Microwave Leadership To Profit or not to Profit, that is the question. How Ohio is Assisting Nairobi GenZ, Corporate day workers? The L.E.G. Model of communication Embracing Paradoxical Leadership 8 Key Paradoxes Critical for Next-Generation Leaders Curious about how to tap into what drives meaning in your life and create meaningful transformation in the lives you touch? Take a look at DovBaron.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Mar 23, 2022 • 32min
2/2 Recognizing and Feeding Healthy Growth: Lee Colan
The Business Growth Paradox His Title: Lee Colan: Organizational psychologist & CEO advisor. Growth, it's something that every business, every leader wants more of. But, take a pause and consider the possibility that in our hyper-growth, success-driven society, there could be such a thing as Unhealthy Growth. However, if your profits are up, how would you even recognize the possibility of Unhealthy Growth? Moreover, what can you do to flag it? And, is it possible to turn Unhealthy Growth into Healthy Growth? Let's find out. Our guest on the next two episodes is one of a handful of rare returning champions, Lee Colan. Lee is an organizational psychologist and CEO advisor. He has authored 15 popular leadership books that have been translated into 10 languages. He has also created over 50 products that equip and encourage leaders at every level. Lee believes when leaders are humans first and see the human beings behind their employees, everyone and everything flourishes. Lee Colan is an advisor to America’s leading companies and nominee to Top Management Thinker globally by Thinkers50. Website https://LeadershipExperts.com Social Media: https://www.facebook.com/TheLGroupInc https://twitter.com/leecolan https://www.linkedin.com/in/leecolan Part 2) Recognizing and Feeding Healthy Growth Dealing with Employee Churn in Growth Purpose, Purposeful What's the Difference and Why it's Elemental to Healthy Growth Why Developing a Purpose Story Matters What is an Aligned Culture, and How to Create One Why Healthy Leadership is a Workforce Multiplier How To Tap The 5 Key Growth Factors The Cultural Paradox How to Generate 36% Growth in Every Employee. . Curious about how to tap into what drives meaning in your life and create meaningful transformation in the lives you touch? Take a look at DovBaron.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices