The Data Journalism Podcast

Cheryl Phillips is Hearst Professional in Residence at Stanford University’s journalism program, and founder of Big Local News, which empowers journalists with data – and has twice been on Pulitzer prize winning news teams. Now she has devoted herself to empowering journalists with access to the data they need to tell great stories.She joins Alberto, Scott and Simon to discuss the state of public data in the US in 2025, and what her team is doing about it.⁠⁠⁠The⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠music this episode⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠ made with⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠TwoTone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, represents the Dow Jones Industrial Index in the week before we recorded this podcast. See if you can guess what happens to it at the end. The Data Journalism Podcast is edited by Ozzy Llinas Goodman. Subscribe to make sure you never miss an episode.Key links from this episode:New York Times: “How Tariffs Work” Reuters: “Tariffs don’t all act the same”Washington Post: “Trump’s reversal actually increased tariff rates”. This one also used data from the Budget Lab at Yale UniversityData Rescue ProjectData Liberation ProjectData.gov Archive

Chiqui Esteban, the Design & Art Director at the Washington Post Opinion section, shares his journey from studying visual journalism in Spain to leading a world-class graphics team. He highlights how data journalism and compelling graphics keep news engaging and relevant. Esteban reflects on the art of visual storytelling, touching on his early passions and the challenges faced in media during the pandemic. He also delves into the ethical implications of visualization and emphasizes the importance of creative processes in journalism.

Scott Klein, an Entrepreneur in Residence at Newspack and former ProPublica journalist, shares insights on the transformative power of data journalism. He discusses how a life-saving graphic impacted a presidential candidate and explores the complexities of immigration data visuals. The conversation also dives into the role of AI in combating misinformation, highlighting innovative projects that enhance journalistic integrity. Additionally, Klein reflects on citizen journalism in Venezuela and the challenges facing data journalism post-COVID-19.

David Spiegelhalter, Emeritus Professor of Statistics at Cambridge and author of "The Art of Uncertainty," brings humor and clarity to the complex world of statistics. He discusses the subjective nature of uncertainty and its influence on decision-making, particularly in events like elections and extreme weather. Emphasizing the importance of effective communication, he encourages listeners to embrace uncertainty as part of life. David also shares insights on career paths and impactful literature that shaped his views on statistics, making it a thought-provoking conversation.

Kae Petrin, a data and graphics reporter at Chalkbeat, Votebeat, and Healthbeat, specializes in education and voting rights. Kae shares insights on beat-centric news organizations and the critical role of data in shaping education policies. They discuss the complexities of collecting reliable K-12 education data and the challenges posed by the decentralized U.S. system. Additionally, Kae highlights the importance of the Trans Journalists Association in improving media representation of trans issues, blending advocacy with impactful storytelling.

Garrett Archer is the data analyst at ABC15 in Phoenix, Arizona, where he is a data storyteller and one of the foremost experts on Arizona's election system. As America votes, Garrett will be responsible for reporting the facts in one of the most tightly-fought US elections for decades. Find out how he approaches election data, what makes it different to polling reporting and what will happen on election day in the key swing state on November 5. The⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠music this episode⁠⁠⁠⁠,⁠ made with⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠TwoTone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠from Garrett and represents Arizona party registrations over time.

Sisi Wei, Chief Impact Officer at CalMatters & The Markup, discusses measuring impact in journalism, empowering communities through solutions journalism, and exploring career paths beyond journalism in an informative and engaging podcast interview.

Garance Burke is a global investigative reporter for the Associated Press, with a focus on reporting around Artificial Intelligence. She wrote the chapter of the AP style guide around reporting on AI and leads a team which works with data to tell stories every day. She joins Simon and Alberto to discuss the implications for data journalism. The⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠music this episode⁠⁠,⁠ made with⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠TwoTone⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, is ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠from Garance and represents Bills brought before Congress around AI over time.

How does the Pulitzer Center create such great data journalism? Alberto and Simon are joined by Doménica Montaño, the Center's program coordinator for environmental investigations. Working with terrific data journalists like director Gustavo Faleiros and Kuek Ser Kuang Keng, the team produces groundbreaking data work. Doménica explains what it takes to make that work come to life. The⁠ ⁠⁠⁠music this episode⁠,⁠ made with⁠⁠⁠ ⁠TwoTone⁠⁠⁠⁠, is ⁠⁠⁠based on tree cover in Brazil.

Dan Kopf and Nami Sumida join Simon and Alberto to discuss how the SF Chronicle tells data stories, such as Sumida's recent exploration of the city's Japantown (sub required) and the WW2 internment that nearly destroyed it. The team discuss what makes the Bay Area such a rich source of data journalism and how the Chron approaches it each day. The⁠ ⁠⁠music this episode,⁠ made with⁠⁠ ⁠TwoTone⁠⁠⁠, is ⁠US Berkeley’s in-state acceptance rate⁠.