Gospel Tangents Podcast

Fundamentalist Mormon Theology has some interesting differences with the LDS Church. Dr Cristina Rosetti says Heavenly Mothers are named, as is the Holy Ghost. We'll also talk about a specialized form of reincarnation and the economic order of heaven. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/HObl0iSTUqw Don’t miss our other conversations with Cristina: https://gospeltangents.com/people/cristina-rosetti/ transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

1944 & 1953 saw Police Raids on polygamists. These were traumatic reminders that they couldn't trust authorities. Dr Cristina Rosetti details more on these police raids and why fundamentalist Mormon communities became wary of outsiders. We'll talk with Dr Cristina Rosetti about the schisms that happened following these raids. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/OoTaWOQja2I Don’t miss our other conversations with Cristina: https://gospeltangents.com/people/cristina-rosetti/ transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

Joseph Musser has documented Mormon fundamentalism better than nearly any other person. Dr Cristina Rosetti will discuss his post-Manifesto polygamy and his theological innovations. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/huUeh2wCzmc Don’t miss our other conversations with Cristina: https://gospeltangents.com/people/cristina-rosetti/ transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

We're talking Mormon fundamentalism! Joseph Musser was the first fundamentalist Mormon who wrote down the unique theology (besides polygamy) that they believe. Dr. Cristina Rosetti has written a biography of this man and explains the founding members of the earliest fundamentalist communities. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/CC_AYvuZm94 Don’t miss our other conversations with Cristina: https://gospeltangents.com/people/cristina-rosetti/ transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

Tim Ballard is famous for trying to rescue sex slaves with his Operation Underground Railroad. But now he has allegations of sexual impropriety himself. We'll talk about the controversy and how he got funding. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/_tJ2epOUHV4 Don’t miss our other conversations with Scott: https://gospeltangents.com/people/scott-vance Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission Tim Ballard Scandal GT  04:21  They are big Tim Ballard fans, I'll say that, too. Scott  04:24   They are. And in fact, that was funny when I was going through all the finances here, another tangent in these Gospel Tangents. GT  04:29   That's what we are. Scott  04:30   Some of the major funders to these Church-affiliated groups were also major funders to Tim Ballard, and OUR. But that's another paper for another time. So back to the topic. What does the Church do with these people who... GT  04:46   Are true believers. Scott  04:48  Absolutely true believers. I think that the Church needs to do more pruning on the right. I'm not necessarily talking about any of these individuals. But people like Ammon Bundy, they're bad news for the Church. They're going to hurt the image of the Church as much as anything. And if the Church doesn't distance themselves from these people, then it's going to hurt the Church. People on the left, when they were looking at John Dehlin or whatever, Church members already knew that he was wacko, and that he wasn't helping out the Church. But on the right, these people are very sincere. And so, if the Church doesn't distance themselves from these individuals and their theories, then it's going to taint the Church in some way, in my opinion. GT  05:29   It is interesting. September was excommunication month here at Gospel Tangents. There are the Avraham Gileadis to go along with the other five, which I will say, more liberal scholars. And you do have a Julie Rowe, here or a Norman... Scott  05:51   Denver Snuffer. GT  05:52   Well and Denver Snuffer, there's a few on the right. I don't know. Avraham Gileadi, for example; He wants to pretend that excommunication never happened. He keeps it quiet. He doesn't grant interviews. I don't even think Julie Rowe, Tim Ballard. I mean, maybe we should say who Tim Ballard is. People might not know. Tell who Tim Ballard is. Scott  06:22   I'm the wrong person to talk about Tim Ballard, but Tim Ballard founded O. U. R., which is Operation Rescue Underground. GT  06:29   Operation Underground Railroad. Yeah. Scott  06:31   Thank you, I apologize. The purpose of this organization is, ostensibly, to go into areas where children are being held, essentially sex slaves and to rescue these children, which sounds wonderful, and something that everybody should get behind. But his methods and methodologies are questioned by people who work professionally in this area. He's donated a ton of donations from both rich and poor, throughout the Church. He seemed to have tacit backing of the Church. He had a number of publications that were available for sale at Deseret Book for almost a decade. But it turned out that he had a major scandal as well, that involved, (I don't even know what I should call it) sexual allegations of sexual grooming or sexual harassment of women who would go on missions with him, where he would essentially push them to have some sexual relations essentially, in order to help these children. So, one can say that he was very manipulative, and this was not necessary in order to help the children. GT  07:45   And that also he was overselling his rescuing the sex slaves operation as well. Scott  07:51   Sure, and in addition to that, he was using a psychic who was channeling Nephi and just things that would be way outside of mainstream Mormonism. GT  07:58   Like a seer stone? I'm just kidding.

Are there contradictions between Nephi & Abinadi? Dr Joseph Spencer says Yes! He also makes the case that when Jesus quotes Isaiah in the Book of Mormon, it is really different than Abinadi, who is really different than Nephi. We'll also discuss why Joe isn't interested in the multiple Isaiah problem in the Book of Mormon. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/OJMIijxSXYQ Don’t miss our other conversations with Joseph: https://gospeltangents.com/people/joseph-spencer/ transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

Is Abinadi trinitarian? Joseph Spencer is one of the leading experts on the Book of Mormon. He'll tackle that question. He's also the incoming president of Book of Mormon Studies Association, and he's written a new book, "A Word in Season," which discusses the Book of Mormon's treatment of Isaiah. As LDS, we are told to study the words of Isaiah, so we'll dive in and talk about how Abinadi, Christ, and Nephi approach Isaiah. It's not the same! We'll also discuss trinity in the Book of Mormon. Check out our conversation... https://youtu.be/YOh3gyLinK8 Don’t miss our other conversations with Joseph: https://gospeltangents.com/people/joseph-spencer/ transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

For this GT Live! show, we'll announce contest winners for Kurt Francom's book, the Manti Temple, and my visit to polygamist communities on the Utah-Arizona border. https://youtube.com/live/DRurZvvPLgE

In our final conversation we'll talk about some other Fundamentalist Mormon groups and how the race ban & Word of Wisdom are viewed. To hear the final part of our conversation, sign up to our free newsletter at https://gospeltangents.com/newsletter and I'll send you a secret link for free. https://youtu.be/wBE1qyHDzAg Don’t miss our other conversations with Cristina: https://gospeltangents.com/people/cristina-rosetti/ transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission transcript to follow Copyright © 2024 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved

In our conclusion, we're talking about the Gospel of the Brother of Jared, and why Rosalynde prefers reading to podcasts! Check out our conversation. Sign up for our free newsletter at gospeltangents.com/newsletter to hear the conclusion.... https://youtu.be/gBD-U5qLqhA Don’t miss our other conversations with Rosalynde: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ih_Fh585xk&list=PLLhI8GMw9sJ7ftt9c-Ndta9jcDH0NOQyr Copyright © 2023 Gospel Tangents All Rights Reserved Except for book reviews, no content may be reproduced without written permission Gospel of Brother of Jared Interview GT  00:38  Well, cool. Let's jump into the last gospel, the Brother of Jared. It was funny. I can't remember if it was you or Adam that talked about the name of the Brother of Jared? Rosalynde  00:51  That was Adam. GT  00:54  I liked that part. {both laughing} Actually, I have a friend whose name was Mahonri Moriancumer in New Hampshire. He was named after the Brother of Jared. {Rick laughing} Rosalynde  01:05  Oh, interesting. Yeah. GT  01:09  Some people maybe have never heard that name before. Why is that? I know, I should be asking Adam, but he's not here. Why is that? Why do we think that's the name of Brother of Jared--and actually he cut it up. That wasn't the whole name. Rosalynde  01:24  Yeah, okay. I'm not going to remember all of this. So, in the text of Ether, itself, the main character is this figure named the Brother of Jared. The Book of Ether, of course, is a flashback. It's sort of the pre-history of the Book of Mormon. It's the story of these people, the Jaredites, who came to the chosen land before the Nephites and the Mulekites did. This is their record that now Moroni has inserted here at the end of the Nephite history. So, the originating, founding leader of this people was named Jared. He was their prophet and their leader, but he had this brother, the Brother of Jared, who seemed to have a gift for prayer, and a gift for revelation. GT  02:20  Is this like Moses and Aaron? Rosalynde  02:23  It is similar to that, where the Brother of Jared seemed to have these special spiritual gifts, where he was uniquely able to communicate with the Lord, and pray to Him. So, it's often the Brother of Jared, who was sent to communicate with the Lord, get his guidance, and figure out what's their next step. In the course of this really wonderful story, they're getting ready to migrate from the Old World to the New World. They're trying to solve all these problems: How are they going to migrate across the ocean? And so, with divine guidance, they build these barges. But then they have the problem of how are they going to get light in the barges. And so, the Brother of Jared ascends the Mount Shelem. Well, the Lord says, basically, you figure it out. You figure out how to solve this problem. And so he, in some way fashions these, what seem to be luminescent stones. Then he ascends the mount and calls on the Lord to touch them with his finger, and to light them, so that then these lights will become lanterns that will light the barges enroute to the chosen land. So, that is who the character of the Brother of Jared is. GT  03:40  And this is so they don't have to sail in the dark, because they're basically enclosed, like, kind of a submarine, but it floats along the surface it sounds like. Rosalynde  03:47  That's what it seems like. It's totally enclosed barges that will be secure from all the storms and water and raging sea. But then they need light in there. So, that's the problem that is solved. But in that moment, the Brother of Jared has this remarkable theophany where he not only sees the finger of the Lord, but he sees the entire premortal personage of the Lord. He has a vision of the Lord in His spirit body. But the vision is of the body that he will [have to] minister to the Nephites. Basically, he has a vision of the Lord's mortal persona. GT  03:48  Which would be very anti-Trinitarian.