
The Sacred
The Sacred is a podcast about our deepest values, the stories that shape us and how we can build empathy and understanding between people who are very different.
Each episode features a conversation with someone who has a public voice, from academics to journalists, playwrights and politicians. We ask them where they have come from, what they are trying to do and what might help heal our very divided public conversations.
The Sacred is hosted by Elizabeth Oldfield, former director of Theos.
For more information about the people and ideas behind the podcast, visit https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/about/who-we-are or follow us on Twitter @theosthinktank, @sacred_podcast and @ESOldfield.
Latest episodes

Sep 20, 2023 • 58min
Cole Arthur Riley on storytelling and learning to express anger
This episode takes place live at the Greenbelt Festival, and in it Elizabeth Oldfield speaks to writer, Cole Arthur Riley.
Cole Arthur Riley is a writer and the creator of the very successful social media account, Black Liturgies - "a space where Black words of dignity, lament, rage, and rest, are curated and integrated with a liberating spirituality". She is also the author of the NYT bestseller, This Here Flesh: Spirituality, Liberation, and the Stories that Make Us.
Cole spoke about her childhood and growing up being raised by a young dad, the power of sharing stories, and how she has learned to express rage through her writing.
You can follow Black Liturgies on Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/blackliturgies/
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/09/20/cole-arthur-riley-on-storytelling-and-learning-to-express-anger
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Jul 19, 2023 • 19min
Series Reflection: How Stories Shape Our Lives
This series of The Sacred Elizabeth spoke with nine fascinating individuals about their core values, and how the messages, philosophies and experiences from their childhood shaped them into the people they are today.
She spoke with Abi Morgan, Dougald Hine, Audrey Assad, Patrick Deneen, Inaya Folarin Iman, Wes Streeting MP, Martin Shaw, Felix Marquardt and Satish Kumar.
In this reflection episode, Elizabeth takes a look back at all these conversations and dwells on a couple key threads that were prominent throughout.
Read the full transcription here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/07/19/series-reflection-how-stories-shape-our-lives
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Jul 12, 2023 • 58min
Satish Kumar on Life as a Jain Monk and Lessons from Decades of Peace Activism
This episode takes place live at The Realisation Festival, and in it Elizabeth Oldfield speaks to activist, Satish Kumar.
Satish Kumar is a peace activist and formerly Jain monk who has spent his life promoting sustainability, spirituality and nonviolence to audiences and communities across the globe. He is also the Editor Emeritus of the Resurgence & Ecologist Magazine.
Satish spoke about his upbringing and the experience of becoming a Jain monk aged 9, the influence of Mahatma Gandhi on his life and outlook and how he deals with those who approach his beliefs and practices with cynicism.
Many thanks to the team at The Realisation Festival for organising and recording this event. You can find out more about them and their work here: https://realisationfestival.com/
Read the full transcription here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/07/10/satish-kumar-on-life-as-a-jain-monk-and-lessons-from-decades-of-peace-activism
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Jul 5, 2023 • 1h 24min
Martin Shaw & Felix Marquardt on Religious Conversion, Being Vulnerable, and the Power of Myths
Martin Shaw is a mythologist and author of the award-winning, Branch from a Lightning Tree. Felix Marquardt has worn many hats over his career from author to entrepreneur to French rap producer. He is also the co-founder of Black Elephant - an experiential social network based on vulnerability.
They spoke about their respective religious conversations to Orthodox Christianity and Islam, the power of myths and storytelling and the role of vulnerability in bridging divides.
This recording took place in Patmos and is an audio only episode.
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/07/05/martin-shaw-felix-marquardt-on-religious-conversion-being-vulnerable-and-the-power-of-myths
Chapters
00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:47 What is sacred to you? Martin Shaw and Felix Marquardt’s answers.
00:06:59 Martin’s childhood: Christianity, punk rock, and holding onto conscience
00:10:26 Martin – turning down a career in music, tent living, and rediscovering myths
00:21:11 Martin – A hundred and one nights on Dartmoor and a transformational experience
00:30:36 Felix’s childhood: toxic French secularism, fear of eternity, and escapism through drugs
00:36:58 Felix – Faith through recovery, the 12 Step movement, and showing reverence for synchronicity
00:49:50 Black Elephant: well-sealed vessels, breaking down barriers and trading growth for depth
00:57:23 The Black Elephant Question: common ground beyond the topical and the superficial
01:09:13 Reflection and Outro
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Jun 28, 2023 • 1h 4min
Wes Streeting MP on Growing Up in a Council Flat and Why Politics Matters
Wes Streeting is the the Labour MP for Ilford North, and was elected in 2015. Since being elected he has been appointed Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care. He is also the author of the soon-to-be-released memoir 'One Boy, Two Bills and a Fry Up'.
Wes spoke about his childhood growing up in a council flat and the figures that raised him, his journey with his faith and sexuality, and navigating political divides within the House of Commons.
You can purchase Wes' new book, 'One Boy, Two Bills and a Fry Up', here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/One-Boy-Two-Bills-Fry/dp/1399710109/ref=sr_1_1?qid=1687772807&refinements=p_27%3AWes+Streeting&s=books&sr=1-1
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/06/28/wes-streeting-mp-on-growing-up-in-a-council-flat-and-why-politics-matters
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Jun 21, 2023 • 1h 5min
Inaya Folarin Iman on Race, Immigrant Conservatism and the Importance of Free Speech
Inaya Folarin Iman is a political commentator and former GB News presenter. Her written work has appeared in the The Telegraph, Politics Home, UnHerd, Spiked and The Daily Mail. She is also the director and founder of the Equiano Project, which is as "a debate, discussion and ideas forum" that "focuses on race, culture and politics".
Inaya spoke about her childhood which involved moving many times, growing up with a single mother, the ingrained conservatism that many immigrants have and why free speech is vital to a flourishing society.
Check out more from The Equiano Project here: https://www.theequianoproject.com/
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/06/21/inaya-folarin-iman-on-race-immigrant-conservatism-and-the-importance-of-free-speech
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Jun 14, 2023 • 1h 12min
Patrick Deneen on the Failure of Liberalism and the Importance of Relational Living
Patrick Deneen a professor of Political Science at the University of Notre Dame and author of multiple books including the upcoming 'Regime Change: Toward a Postliberal Future'.
Patrick spoke about his childhood and the relationships built by a 'front porch' community culture, why liberalism has failed, and what a postliberal future looks like.
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/06/14/patrick-deneen-on-the-failure-of-liberalism-and-the-importance-of-relational-living
Purchase a copy of his book, Regime Change, here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Regime-Change-Towards-Postliberal-Future/dp/1800753292
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Jun 7, 2023 • 1h 3min
Audrey Assad on Faith, Deconstruction, and Music as an Outlet for Spiritual Angst
Audrey Assad is an American-Syrian singer-songwriter who since the start of her career has released 6 studio albums and 4 EPs. She is also the author of the blog 'The Violet Fields' which explores topics such as consciousness and creativity.
Audrey spoke about her childhood growing up in a fundamentalist Christian community and subsequent conversion to Catholicism, her career as a musician and the role music has played in her life, and her public deconstruction from the Christian faith.
You can find her music and blog on her website here: https://www.audreyassad.com/
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/06/07/audrey-assad-on-faith-deconstruction-and-music-as-an-outlet-for-spiritual-angst
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May 31, 2023 • 1h 15min
Dougald Hine on Climate Change and How to Respond to a Bleak Looking Future
Dougald Hine is a social thinker, writer and speaker. After an early career as a BBC journalist, he co-founded organisations including the Dark Mountain Project and a school called HOME. He is most recently the author of the book 'At Work in the Ruins'.
Dougald spoke about his childhood growing up in the United Reformed Church, his decision to leave the BBC, and how to respond to the 'end of the world'.
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/05/31/dougald-hine-on-climate-change-and-how-to-respond-to-a-bleak-looking-future
Buy a copy of his book 'At Work in the Ruins' here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/At-Work-Ruins-Pandemics-Emergencies/dp/164502184X
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May 24, 2023 • 1h 5min
Abi Morgan on finding meaning in tragedy
Abi Morgan is a screenwriter and playwright with a career spanning 25 years in TV, Film and Theatre. She is the creator of films such as 'The Iron Lady', TV shows such as 'The Hour', and is most recently the author of the very successful book, 'This is Not a Pity Memoir'.
She spoke about her journey into writing, how stories give us a sense of self, and how she makes any kind of meaning out of the multiple tragic events that she has experienced.
Buy a copy of her book here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/This-Pity-Memoir-heartbreaking-life-affirming/dp/152938835X/ref=asc_df_152938835X/
Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/05/24/abi-morgan-on-finding-meaning-in-tragedy
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