

Reversing Climate Change
Carbon Removal Strategies LLC
Reversing Climate Change is a podcast that bridges science, technology, and policy with the richness of the humanities. From the forefront of carbon removal and climatetech to explorations of literature, history, philosophy, theology, and geopolitics, we dive deep into the people, ideas, and innovations shaping a better future for the planet and its inhabitants.
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Nov 17, 2020 • 28min
S2E39: The cost of climate repair vs. COVID-19—w/ Sir David King & Rick Parnell
Solving the climate crisis is challenging because it requires both dramatic behavioral change and a great deal of capital. And yet, when faced with a global health crisis, governments were willing to enact multitrillion-dollar aid packages and people radically shifted their behavior in a matter of weeks. So, what if we mobilized against climate change similarly to the way we responded to the coronavirus?
Sir David King is the former Chief Scientific Advisor to the Government of the United Kingdom and Rick Parnell is the CEO of the Foundation for Climate Restoration. Together, they coauthored The Washington Post piece, ‘Stopping Climate Change Could Cost Less Than Fighting COVID-19.’ On this episode of the podcast, Sir David and Rick join Ross to discuss the opportunity governments have to invest in climate repair as we rebuild our economies in the aftermath of the global pandemic.
Sir David and Rick compare the economic impact of reversing climate change with that of COVID, describing the catastrophic consequences of rising sea levels and explaining what Europe, China, and the US are doing to both reduce emissions and scale direct air capture technologies. Listen in to understand why the countries that took the advice of scientists fared well in the pandemic and how we might learn from their example to respond to the climate crisis.
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Resources:
Foundation for Climate Restoration
Centre for Climate Repair at Cambridge University
Rick on Carbon Removal Newsroom
‘Stopping Climate Change Could Cost Less Than Fighting COVID-19’ in The Washington Post
The Thunderbird Study on Market Opportunities in Climate Restoration
Sir David’s 2006 Pandemic Prediction

Nov 10, 2020 • 52min
S2E38: Carbon-negative carpet?! How Interface trailblazes—w/ Erin Meezan, VP & Chief Sustainability Officer of Interface, Inc.
The scale of the climate crisis requires that companies change the way they operate. Yes, it would be easier to simply purchase carbon offsets and continue to do business as usual. But if we are going to succeed in reversing climate change, companies must take the next step and transform their processes from cradle to gate (or even grave if they can!) So, how does a business get started on the path to sustainability?
Erin Meezan is the Vice President and Chief Sustainability Officer at Interface, Inc., a pioneering modular flooring company with a deep commitment to sustainability. Interface is also the recipient of a 2020 UN Global Climate Action Award and the subject of the new documentary Beyond Zero. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Erin joins Ross to explain what inspired Interface’s commitment to the environment and how the team approached the sustainability conversation with its investors early on.
Erin discusses the company’s recent launch of carbon-negative carpet tiles, walking us through the value associated with doing business more sustainably and the necessity of conducting a full life cycle assessment of a given product. Listen in to understand how Interface is influencing other businesses to make fundamental change and learn how YOUR company might take its first steps to sustainability!
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Interface, Inc.
Erin on LinkedIn
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Interface’s Climate Take Back Mission
The Ecology of Commerce: A Declaration of Sustainability by Paul Hawken
Paul Hawken
FLOR
Aquafil
Buy Clean California
CarbonCure on Reversing Climate Change S2EP16
2020 UN Global Climate Action Awards
Beyond Zero
Interface’s Lessons Learned Report
Confessions of a Radical Industrialist: Profits, People, Purpose—Doing Business by Respecting the Earth by Ray C. Anderson with Robin White

Nov 3, 2020 • 36min
S2E37: The New Yorker's new climate anthology, The Fragile Earth—w/ coeditors David Remnick & Henry Finder
People resist reading about climate change because it seems less immediate than other pressing issues. Add to that the fact that the climate crisis doesn’t lend itself to narrative. So, then, how do you tell an ‘untellable story’ in a way that draws readers in and effectively reorients the way they see the world?
Henry Finder and David Remnick are the coeditors of The Fragile Earth: Writing from The New Yorker on Climate Change. On this episode of the Reversing Climate Change podcast, Henry and David join Ross to explain what inspired the creation of this new anthology, discussing how they made decisions regarding what pieces to include and what makes writing about climate change such a distinct challenge.
Henry and David weigh in on their work as editorial director and editor at The New Yorker, sharing the process they use to conceive of and manage new projects and describing the magazine’s ongoing commitment to long-form writing. Listen in to understand how optimistic Henry and David are about our ability to address the climate crisis and learn how The Fragile Earth tells the story of climate change through pieces by Bill McKibben, Elizabeth Kolbert, and Jonathan Franzen, among many others.
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The Fragile Earth: Writing from The New Yorker on Climate Change edited by David Remnick and Henry Finder
The New Yorker
David Remnick at The New Yorker
Lenin’s Tomb: The Last Days of the Soviet Empire by David Remnick
The Bridge: The Life and Rise of Barack Obama by David Remnick
The New Yorker Radio Hour
The End of Nature by Bill McKibben
Elizabeth Kolbert
Elizabeth Kolbert at The New Yorker
Bill McKibben on Reversing Climate Change EP095
Field Notes from a Catastrophe: Man, Nature, and Climate Change by Elizabeth Kolbert
The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History by Elizabeth Kolbert
‘Lake Chad: The World’s Most Complex Humanitarian Disaster’ in The New Yorker
Jonathan Franzen’s Piece on Antarctica

Oct 27, 2020 • 44min
S2E36: YIMBY for forest fires? Fire tornadoes?!—w/ Daniel Duane, author of November's WIRED cover story
Prior to 2020, the largest number of acres burned by wildfire in California was 1.3M. Compare that to the 4M acres wiped out by fire this year. What’s more, forest fires are spreading much more quickly and releasing more heat—which leads to last-minute evacuations, a dramatic increase of smoke in the air, and the phenomenon of fire tornados.
Daniel Duane is the surfer, naturalist, and author behind this month’s WIRED cover story, ‘The West’s Infernos Are Melting Our Sense of How Fire Works.’ On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Daniel explains why the 2020 fire season is so remarkable and how an accumulating fuel bed on the forest floor contributes to the intensity and severity of the wildfires. He offers insight on indigenous fire management, describing when the anti-burning culture took hold in America and how political pressures make it impossible for our government agencies to manage forests well.
Daniel goes on to introduce us to the terrifying phenomenon of a fire tornado, sharing how forest management practices and climate change are both to blame for the increasingly unpredictable, record-breaking wildfires we experience. Listen in for Daniel’s take on what kind of management practices we need to decrease our risk and find out how a pro-development, YIMBY movement could prevent destructive forest fires in the future.
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‘The West’s Infernos Are Melting Our Sense of How Fire Works’ in WIRED
Daniel’s Website
Daniel on Twitter
Books by Daniel Duane
Daniel at WIRED
Daniel at Outside Magazine
US Forest Service
Charles C. Mann on Reversing Climate Change S2EP15
M. Kat Anderson
Tending the Wild: Native American Knowledge and the Management of California’s Natural Resources by M. Kat Anderson
University of California Forestry Department
Brandon Collins
The Sagehen Experimental Forest
CAL FIRE

Oct 23, 2020 • 40min
On losing everything to the climate crisis except for hope—w/ Diego Saez-Gil of Pachama
“Life does not subtract things; it liberates you from them.
It makes you lighter so that you can fly higher and reach the fullness.”
--Facundo Cabral
Losing your home to a forest fire is a lesson in impermanence and nonattachment. And while Diego Saez-Gil is still processing the loss, he is using the experience as a catalyst, reaffirming his commitment to the pursuit of climate solutions.
Diego is the founder and CEO of Pachama, a tech company that leverages AI to drive carbon capture and validate the progress of forest restoration projects for carbon markets, and author of the Medium article, "On Losing Everything to the Climate Crisis, Except for Hope." On this bonus episode of the podcast, Diego joins Ross to discuss how losing his home to a forest fire has given him renewed energy around his work and made him more of a minimalist than ever before.
Diego explains how both climate change and poor forest management practices are to blame for 2020’s devastating forest fires, speaking to the permanence issues surrounding ecological methods of sequestering carbon and how carbon markets can make reforestation for carbon sequestration economically viable. Listen in for insight on the success of Pachama’s recent fundraising efforts and learn how you can help protect our global forests by joining Diego’s team.
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Diego on Reversing Climate Change EP104
Diego’s Medium Article ‘On Losing Everything to the Climate Crisis, Except for Hope’
US Bureau of Land Management
US Forest Service
Stripe’s Negative Emissions Commitment
Breakthrough Energy Ventures
Serena Ventures
Scott Belsky
Tobi Lutke
Amazon’s Climate Pledge
Pachama’s Blog Welcoming New Investors

Oct 20, 2020 • 1h 3min
S2E35: Matthew Yglesias tells us why climate people should root for One Billion Americans
Can you advocate for climate solutions and dramatic population growth at the same time? Or are the two ideas mutually exclusive? Matthew Yglesias argues that while electoral politics is a zero-sum game, policy is not. And any two priorities can be reconciled to craft a win-win, provided both sides accept the premise that we need to take action on climate change.
Matthew Yglesias is the cofounder of Vox, host of The Weeds Podcast, journalist and author of the national bestseller, One Billion Americans: The Case for Thinking Bigger. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Matt joins Ross and Paul to discuss the premise of his book, explaining why it’s crucial for the US to grow its population and commit to keeping our #1 status in the world. He shares his liberal approach to this conservative idea, describing how immigration makes us stronger and what we can do to support families with children.
Matthew goes on to offer insight on the dysfunction of American federalism, discussing how a shared goal would create more constructive politics, and why it’s shortsighted to invoke climate change as an argument against population growth. Listen in for Matthew’s take on why we need right of center solutions to climate change and learn how we can prioritize both population growth and climate solutions in a way that moves America forward.
Nori on Patreon
Vox
Matthew on Vox
The Weeds Podcast
One Billion Americans: The Case for Thinking Bigger by Matthew Yglesias
The Idea of a European Superstate by Glyn Morgan
Bryan Caplan on Reversing Climate Change S2EP2
Open Borders: The Science and Ethics of Immigration by Bryan Caplan
‘Made in Hollywood, Censored by Beijing’ in PEN America
Wendell Berry
Dorothy Day
Brad Plumer at The New York Times
Green New Deal
Matthew on Conversations with Tyler EP104
Getting to Yes: How to Negotiate Agreement Without Giving In by Roger Fisher
The End of History and the Last Man by Francis Fukuyama
David Roberts on Reversing Climate Change S2EP3
Benji Backer on Reversing Climate Change EP074
Bob Inglis on Reversing Climate Change EP086

Oct 15, 2020 • 14min
VERGE 20 is going virtual! See you there!—w/ Jim Giles, Conference Chair of VERGE Food & VERGE Carbon
In the past, conferences addressing market solutions to the climate crisis were attended by professionals with ‘sustainability’ in their titles. But we’ve begun to realize that sustainability is everyone’s responsibility, and the audience has expanded. In fact, this year’s VERGE 20 (register at this link with Nori's 15% off discount code) is more accessible than ever, welcoming anyone who’s interested to learn more about sustainable food systems and carbon removal.
Jim Giles is the Conference Chair of VERGE Food and VERGE Carbon at GreenBiz. On this bonus episode of the podcast, Jim joins Ross to discuss the upcoming GreenBiz conference, VERGE 20, sharing some of the notable sessions and speakers on topics like purchasing carbon offsets and scaling regenerative agriculture.
Jim explains how VERGE will look different this year, describing how his team has pivoted to a virtual format, and what they are doing to recreate 1:1 connections among the 10K projected attendees! Listen in for insight around the growing interest in sustainability and find out how YOU can be a part of the VERGE 20 online conference.
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GreenBiz Events
Jim Giles on Carbon Removal Newsroom
Jim’s Food Weekly Newsletter
VERGE 20 Accelerate
Solidia
Jonathan Goldberg
Carbon Direct
Anna Escuer
Google Sustainability
Google’s Recent Climate Commitments Announcement
Robyn O’Brien
rePlant Capital
Steele Lorenz
Farmers Business Network
Hopin
Circularity 20

Oct 6, 2020 • 55min
S2E33: Sailing in the age of climate change—w/ John Kretschmer, author and sailor
Sailors rely on wind patterns and currents to make decisions about the expeditions they take, tracking weather patterns along the way and adjusting their route as necessary. But climate change has made winds less consistent and weather patterns less predictable. How does that impact sailing?
John Kretschmer is the President of John Kretschmer Sailing and the author of several books about his voyages at sea, including his latest release, Sailing to the Edge of Time: The Promise, the Challenges and the Freedom of Ocean Voyaging. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, John joins Ross to explain how he came to love boats and books, describing how sailing facilitates deep and powerful intellectual discussion.
John weighs in on how climate change has impacted the way he plans and conducts passages, offering insight on how the trade winds and the Gulf Stream have changed in the last 30 years. Listen in to understand how sailors cope with volatile weather and find out how climate change has influenced the expeditions John is planning for 2021 and 2022.
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John Kretschmer Sailing
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John’s Celestial Navigation Workshop
Sailing Alone Around the World by Joshua Slocum
Voyage of the Liberdade: A Journey from Brazil to America in a Hand-Built Boat by Joshua Slocum
Books by Wendell Berry
Heraclitus
Odysseus
Zorba the Greek by Nikos Kazantzakis
Cornell Sailing Publications
Windy.com
The Terror by Dan Simmons
The Long Way by Bernard Moitessier
Wanderer by Sterling Hayden

Sep 29, 2020 • 53min
S2E32: Chasing a Job with Purpose (in carbon removal)—w/ Heidi Lim, Chief of Staff at Opus 12
How are you spending your time? Is it aligned with what you genuinely care about? In 2018, Heidi Lim quit her role in enterprise software to solve climate change full-time. What steps did she take to identify a new, purpose-driven path and then land a role in carbon removal?
Heidi is the Chief of Staff at Opus 12, a company working to recycle CO2 into cost-competitive chemicals and fuels, and the author of two popular Medium articles, ‘We Need to Talk About Carbon Removal’ and ‘Chasing a Job with Purpose’. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Heidi joins Ross to walk us through her process for finding meaningful work, explaining what inspired her to pursue a role in the carbon removal space.
Heidi shares her strategies for figuring out what kind of purposeful work you want to pursue, challenging us to reach out to people on paths we’re interested in and embed ourselves in communities with likeminded individuals. Listen in for Heidi’s insight on turning content creation into career opportunities and learn how to plant the seeds that will lead to your dream role.
Resources:
‘Chasing a Job with Purpose’ by Heidi Lim
‘We Need to Talk About Carbon Removal’ by Heidi Lim
Heidi on Instagram
Veg T-Rex on Instagram
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AirMiners
Apply to Join AirMiners Slack
Opus 12
My Climate Journey
APIENC
After Geoengineering: Climate Tragedy, Repair, and Restoration by Holly Jean Buck
Carbon180
Holly Jean Buck on Reversing Climate Change EP103
Holly Jean Buck on Reversing Climate Change S2 Bonus Episode
We Are Climate Designers: The Podcast
Climatebase

Sep 22, 2020 • 49min
S2E31: Kiss the Ground doc live on Netflix!—w/ Gabe Brown, regenerative farmer and rancher
Nature is self-organizing, self-regulating, and self-healing. And if we follow her patterns, we can heal our ecosystem, produce better quality food, and more profitable farms and ranches. So, what does it look like when we adopt regenerative agricultural practices that work with nature’s principles? And what can we do to support the farmers and ranchers who understand the relationship between carbon and soil health?
Farmer, rancher and soil health pioneer Gabe Brown is the bestselling author of Dirt to Soil: One Family’s Journey into Regenerative Agriculture, and his work is featured in the new Netflix documentary, Kiss the Ground. On this episode of Reversing Climate Change, Gabe joins Ross and Christophe to explain what inspired his own transition to regenerative agricultural practices and how he works with farmers and ranchers, using the context and tools available to move them down a regenerative path.
Gabe walks us through the six principles of how nature functions, describing how we can work with nature to heal our ecosystem and why we all benefit from a shift from monoculture to polyculture. Listen in for Gabe’s insight on how a farmer or rancher’s profitability depends on carbon and learn how you can vote with your consumer dollars to promote regenerative agricultural practices.