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Reversing Climate Change is a podcast that bridges science, technology, and policy with the richness of the humanities. From the forefront of carbon removal and climatetech to explorations of literature, history, philosophy, and geopolitics, we dive deep into the people, ideas, and innovations shaping a better future for the planet and its inhabitants.
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Aug 25, 2020 • 1h 7min
S2E27: Are grasslands overshadowed by charismatic megaflora?—w/ Chris Kerston of Savory Institute
Ranching has been vilified as a major contributor to climate change. But what if it’s not the cow but the HOW? The fact is, animals have always lived and grazed on grasslands, and when we leverage regenerative grazing to raise livestock, we can rebuild the soil and sequester carbon in the grass and soil, sourcing materials like leather, fiber, and meat in a more responsible way.
Chris Kerston is the Chief Commercial Officer of the Land to Market Program at the Savory Institute, a nonprofit working to regenerate the world’s grasslands through Holistic Management. Today, Chris joins Ross to explain how the Savory Institute promotes regenerative grazing and share their vision of a future where farmers and ranchers work together.
Chris walks us through the Land to Market program’s Ecological Outcome Verification (EOV) protocol, describing why they measure a breadth of ecosystem services versus sequestered carbon alone. Listen in to understand how Savory is supporting brands like Timberland and learn how the Land to Market Program can help us make more informed choices about what we consume.
Resources:
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Savory Institute
Chris at Savory Institute
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Kiss the Ground
Savory’s Partnership with Timberland
Diana Rodgers
Sacred Cow: The Case for (Better) Meat: Why Well-Raised Meat is Good for You and Good for the Planet by Diana Rodgers and Robb Wolf
Peter Donovan at the Soil Carbon Coalition
The Whole Foods Diet: The Lifesaving Plan for Health and Longevity by John Mackey, Alona Pulde, MD, and Matthew Lederman MD
Joel Salatin
Will Harris
Gabe Brown
The Nature Conservancy
Savory’s Land to Market Brand Partners
Leather Working Group
Wendell Berry
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Aug 18, 2020 • 55min
S2E26: How to Burn a Goat: Farming with the Philosophers—w/ Dr. Scott H. Moore, author
We live in a point-and-click society where labor is seen as something to overcome. But what if we’ve got it wrong? Philosopher turned farmer Dr. Scott H. Moore contends that entertainment doesn’t have to be passive. In fact, activities like reading Dante, growing tomatoes or fixing our own plumbing can bring us a lot of joy and satisfaction—and maybe even transform the way we see the world.
Dr. Moore is an Associate Professor of Philosophy and Great Texts at Baylor University and the author of How to Burn a Goat: Farming with the Philosophers. Today, Dr. Moore joins Ross to discuss the connections among philosophy, the Classics, theology and farming, explaining how Wendell Berry inspired his decision to become a farmer, and exploring how great works like Dante’s Divine Comedy remain relevant in modern life.
Dr. Moore challenges us to rethink our notion of labor, describing the rewards of problem-solving with our hands and engaging in activities like gardening or woodworking—as opposed to just buying the things we want. Listen in for Dr. Moore’s insight on making leisure more intentional and learn how Christian thought and the Classics can help us cultivate a sense of gratitude and initiate meaningful conversations about what really matters.
Resources:
Dr. Moore at Baylor University
How to Burn a Goat: Farming with the Philosophers by Scott H. Moore
Books by Wendell Berry
The Divine Comedy Volume I: Inferno by Dante Alighieri, translated by Mark Musa
The Great Courses: Dante’s Divine Comedy
The Problem of Pain by C.S. Lewis
Nick Offerman
Good Clean Fun: Misadventures in Sawdust at Offerman Woodshop by Nick Offerman
The Unsettling of America by Wendell Berry, narrated by Nick Offerman
Joel Salatin on Reversing Climate Change EP072
Quill Robinson on Reversing Climate Change S2EP18
Leisure: The Basis of Culture by Josef Pieper
Books by Gregory A. Boyd
Books by David Bentley Hart
G.K. Chesterton
Sorry, ran out of space! Will update these notes with the full list when room is expanded.

Aug 11, 2020 • 56min
S2E25: The DAC-up plan for climate change—w/ Dr. Jen Wilcox of Worcester Polytechnic Institute
There is a temptation to believe that science and technology will save us from climate change, while we continue business as usual. But we have already emitted huge levels of CO2 into the atmosphere, and it’s going to take both carbon capture at the source and direct air capture (DAC) from ambient air to make a dent in the record atmospheric concentration of 415ppm we hit in 2019.
Dr. Jennifer Wilcox is the James H. Manning Chaired Professor of Chemical Engineering at Worcester Polytechnic Institute and the author of the first textbook on carbon capture. Today, Dr. Wilcox joins Ross and Christophe to discuss the distinction between carbon capture in general and direct air capture specifically and explain why we need both strategies to succeed in reversing climate change.
Dr. Wilcox goes on to describe the two leading DAC technologies, solvents and solid sorbents, sharing how we might decide where to build plants and what tech to use in a given situation. Listen in for Dr. Wilcox’s insight on conducting a techno-economic assessment on systems that have yet to be deployed and learn how you can get involved in the ongoing advancement of carbon management.
Resources:
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Dr. Wilcox on Twitter
Dr. Wilcox on Google Scholar
Dr. Wilcox’s TED Talk
David Biello at TED
‘Cost Analysis of Carbon Capture and Sequestration of Process Emissions from the US Industrial Sector’ in Environmental Science & Technology
‘Cost Analysis of Carbon Capture and Sequestration from US Natural Gas-Fired Power Plants’ in Environmental Science & Technology
‘Cost Analysis of Direct Air Capture and Sequestration Coupled to Low-Carbon Thermal Energy in the United States’ in Environmental Science & Technology
Carbfix
Sherwood’s Rule
Climeworks
Petra Nova
Carbon Engineering
Global Thermostat
American Physical Society 2011 Report
Lenfest Center for Sustainable Energy
Books by Wendell Berry
Charles Eisenstein

Aug 4, 2020 • 49min
S2E24: Black Americans Care About Climate Change (But It’s Complicated)—w/ Jared DeWese of Third Way
We know that minority populations bear an unequal burden when it comes to climate change. And yes, Black Americans are concerned about the climate crisis, but they don’t see the environment as a top-tier issue. So, what can advocates and policymakers do to make climate change more relevant to Black communities and ensure their inclusion in a clean energy transition?
Jared DeWese is Senior Communications Advisor for the Climate & Energy Program at Third Way, a center-left federal policy think tank based in Washington, D.C. Jared joins Ross to discuss the organization’s recent report, ‘Black Americans Care About Climate Change (But It’s Complicated),’ sharing the top takeaways from their qualitative research and explaining how advocates can mobilize communities of color around climate change by connecting the issue with their daily lives.
Jared weighs in on how Black Americans are impacted by climate change, introducing us to the idea of environmental racism and exploring what we can do to confront and transform discriminatory systems and policies. Listen in for Jared’s insight on promoting climate policy in a divided Congress and learn why he is optimistic about the potential for real progress at this particular moment in history.
Resources:
Third Way Energy on Twitter
Jared on Twitter
Black Americans Care About Climate Change (But It’s Complicated)
Yale Program on Climate Communication Study on Race & Attitudes Toward Climate Change
The Environmental Kuznets Curve
When Affirmative Action Was White: An Untold History of Racial Inequity in Twentieth-Century America by Ira Katznelson
Joe Biden’s Plan for a Clean Energy Revolution & Environmental Justice
Otto von Bismarck & the Welfare State
The History of Rome Podcast
Revolutions Podcast
The Life & Legacy of John Lewis on The Daily Podcast
James Baldwin on Being Black in America
Alexander Hamilton on Slavery as Wasted Potential
W.E.B. Du Bois’ Concept of Double Consciousness
The Environmental Defense Fund Poll on African Americans & Clean Energy Resources
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Jul 30, 2020 • 55min
How to Decolonize the Atmosphere (with carbon removal)—w/ Dr. Holly Jean Buck
Many indigenous communities see the climate crisis as another form of colonialism. First World countries have colonized the atmosphere with their greenhouse gas emissions. And there is a risk that carbon removal infrastructure reinforces business-as-usual. So, what is the best approach to decolonizing the atmosphere? How can we tackle climate change in a way that fits with broader progressive goals around equity and social justice?
Dr. Holly Jean Buck is a postdoctoral fellow at UCLA’s Institute on the Environment and Sustainability and the author of After Geoengineering: Climate Tragedy, Repair, and Restoration. Dr. Buck joins Ross to discuss her recent article in Progressive International, ‘How to Decolonize the Atmosphere.’ She describes how the ideas in The Red Deal: Indigenous Action to Save Our Earth informed her thinking and introduces us to the concept of settler colonialism as it relates to climate change.
Dr. Buck walks us through her three progressive goals for carbon removal: 1) link carbon with the managed decline of fossil fuels, 2) ensure public ownership and return on investment, and 3) advocate for a global framework for carbon removal. Listen in for Dr. Buck’s insight on the interconnectedness of the climate crisis with the other major issues we face and find out why she is concerned about the way social media may be influencing scientific research.
Resources
Dr. Buck’s Website
Dr. Buck on Twitter
The Red Deal Part 1: End the Occupation
Beyond Wiindigo Infrastructure by Winona LaDuke, Deborah Cowen
After Geoengineering: Climate Tragedy, Repair, and Restoration by Holly Jean Buck
Global CCS Institute Report on Climate Change
Rhodium Report on Jobs & Direct Air Capture
Rhodium Report on Policies for the US to Advance Direct Air Capture
Sad by Design: On Platform Nihilism by Geert Lovink
Nexus by Ramez Naam
Daniel Schmachtenberger
‘Climate Change is a Waste Management Problem’ in Issues in Science and Technology
All Hell Breaking Loose: The Pentagon’s Perspective on Climate Change by Michael T. Klare

Jul 28, 2020 • 42min
S2E23: Can green sand beaches sequester carbon at scale?—w/ Kelly Erhart & Tom Green of Project Vesta
Carbon dioxide levels are double what they were prior the Industrial Revolution. And we know that reducing emissions is simply not going to be enough to avoid widespread ecological collapse. We need strategies for removing CO2 from the atmosphere at scale. So, what if green sand beaches could provide a promising solution to climate change that is nature-based, affordable, and can be deployed around the globe?
Kelly Erhart and Tom Green are the Cofounder and Executive Director, respectively, of Project Vesta, an organization dedicated to capturing a trillion tonnes of excess CO2 in rock through coastal enhanced weathering. Kelly and Tom join Ross to explain how they are creating green sand beaches with olivine to remove CO2 from the atmosphere faster and store it in limestone on the sea floor. They discuss the benefits and potential risks of enhanced weathering in an aquatic environment as well as the permanence of Project Vesta’s sequestration process.
Kelly and Tom share the news of how Stripe came to be their first customer, describing how the nonprofit is funded and what’s behind their decision to make the technology open-source. Listen in to understand how the enhanced weathering process might help solve the ocean acidification problem and how Project Vesta sees their solution's scalability and cost-effectiveness.
Resources
Project Vesta
Project Vesta’s Research Page
Project Vesta on Instagram
Project Vesta on Facebook
Project Vesta on Twitter
Eric Matzner on Carbon Removal Newsroom EP018
Climate Change: Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide from Climate.gov
‘Exoskeleton Dissolution with Mechanoreceptor Damage in Larval Dungeness Crab Related to Severity of Present-Day Ocean Acidification Vertical Gradients’ in Science of the Total Environment
Stripe’s Negative Emissions Commitment
Stripe’s Partnership with Project Vesta
Air Miners
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Jul 21, 2020 • 1h 2min
S2E22: The unexpected order in the global "waste" trade—w/ Adam Minter, author of Junkyard Planet & Secondhand
Have you ever wondered what happens to your clothes after you drop them off at Goodwill? Or where your electronics go once you’ve left them at the recycling center? Yes, some of our excess is exported to emerging markets around the world and either resold or harvested for parts. Is that cool? And what can we do to shop in a way that reduces our environmental impact?
Adam Minter is a columnist at Bloomberg Opinion and the author of Junkyard Planet: Travels in the Billion-Dollar Trash Trade and Secondhand: Travels in the New Global Garage Sale. Today, Adam joins Ross to explain how being born into a family of junk dealers informed his career as a journalist. He introduces us to what happens when we donate clothing to Goodwill, describing how items are sorted and resold or exported to other markets around the world.
Adam weighs in on why it’s not unethical to send our e-waste to West Africa or resell used car seats in Mexico, challenging us to worry more about the quality of the products we buy and less about where they’re exported when we’re done with them. Listen in for Adam’s insight around the value of mass market collectibles and learn how to shift your consumer thinking from immediate cost to total cost of ownership.
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Adam at Bloomberg Opinion
Junkyard Planet: Travels in the Billion-Dollar Trash Trade by Adam Minter
Secondhand: Travels in the New Global Garage Sale by Adam Minter
Scrap Magazine
Speed Queen
Unbundled Airlines on Planet Money EP517
Kelley Blue Book
Patagonia Worn Wear
Frugalwoods
Meet the Frugalwoods: Achieving Financial Independence Through Simple Living by Elizabeth Willard Thames
The Gentle Art of Swedish Death Cleaning: How to Free Yourself and Your Family from a Lifetime of Clutter by Margareta Magnusson

Jul 16, 2020 • 55min
The promise & peril of blockchain governance—w/ Dr. Nick Cowen, University of Lincoln
The American Constitution provides the ‘nuts and bolts of liberty,’ putting constraints on the government and promising equality before the law. But the challenge is that it relies on state officials to enforce the law impartially. What if the blockchain could help us avoid these human-level implementation problems and effectively automate some features of our bureaucracy?
Dr. Nick Cowen is a lecturer in the School of Social and Political Sciences at the University of Lincoln and the author of the paper, ‘Markets for Rules: The Promise and Peril of Blockchain Distributed Governance.’ Today, Nick is back to discuss the potential benefits of blockchain governance structures, including the ability to apply law impartially and reduce censorship. He explores the idea of consent as it applies to the blockchain and explains how the technology prevents the off-diagonals that manifest out of subsidiarity.
Nick weighs in on whether the blockchain will become a competition to be the best or the most permissive and describes how the technology might influence our political systems—and vice versa. Listen in for Nick’s insight around the application of civil versus common law traditions via the blockchain and learn how we can leverage blockchain technology for environmental governance.
Resources
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Carbon Removal Newsroom
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Nick’s Website
Nick on Academia
Nick on SSRN
Nick on Twitter
‘Markets for Rules: The Promise and Peril of Blockchain Distributed Governance’ by Nick Cowen
Ethereum
John Rawls
John Locke
Quill Robinson on RCC S2EP18
Tax Justice Network
Ozark
James M. Buchanan
Adam Smith
Being Me Being You: Adam Smith and Empathy by Samuel Fleischacker
Alan Partridge
Dr. Anton Howes on Twitter
Ilia Murtazashvili

Jul 14, 2020 • 44min
S2E21: Buildings grown by bacteria?! and other frontiers in architecture—w/ Dr. Wil Srubar, CU Boulder
What's the future got in store for architecture? A return to tried and true organic construction methods like adobe or rammed earth? Buildings that are as alive as human bodies? Something in between? How do we create more beautiful and livable spaces while also making the built environment carbon-negative?
This week's guest is Dr. Wil Srubar, Assistant Professor of Architectural Engineering and Materials Science at the University of Colorado Boulder, Technical Director of Materials R&D at Katerra, and Cochair of the Carbon Leadership Forum Network and serves as its global hub director.
We talk about trends in architecture and materials science and try to ferret out what might be coming down the pike, particularly in light of the article Wil wrote in The Conversation, "Buildings grown by bacteria—new research is finding ways to turn cells into mini-factories for materials".
A Field Guide to American Houses (Revised): The Definitive Guide to Identifying and Understanding America's Domestic Architecture by Virginia Savage McAlester
Wil's CU profile
Akira
Dr. Kate Simonen's RCC episode
Andrew Himes' RCC episode
Chris Magwood and Jacob Deva Racusin's RCC episode

Jul 7, 2020 • 44min
S2E20: Beyond markets and states: an intro to Elinor Ostrom—w/ Dr. Nick Cowen, University of Lincoln
The tragedy of the commons suggests that, left to our own devices, we will overuse and overconsume our shared resources in the name of self-interest. And that either privatization or state control is required to keep us in check. But Elinor Ostrom advanced a third option, a polycentric governance approach in which the people involved solve the problem on their own through a commons solution.
Dr. Nick Cowen is a lecturer in the School of Social and Political Sciences at the University of Lincoln and the author of the paper, ‘Cost and Choice in the Commons: Ostrom and the Case of British Flood Management’. Today, Nick joins Ross to discuss the differences among state, market, and commons solutions to the environmental problems we face. He explains how Ostrom’s work changed the way we think about the tragedy of the commons and walks us through several examples of communal solutions that preserve shared resources.
Nick goes on to introduce the concepts of residual-claimancy and the transitional gains trap, describing how government intervention in flood management followed by a period of privatization led to the current dilemma in Great Britain. Listen in for insight around how Ostrom’s communal systems might appeal to both conservative and liberal politics and learn how we can apply her interdisciplinary ideas to protect our shared resources.
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‘Cost and Choice in the Commons: Ostrom and the Case of British Flood Management’ by Nick Cowen
Elinor Ostrom
Ostrom’s Workshop Method
Ostrom’s Google Scholar Page
Ostrom’s Nobel Prize Lecture
Books by James C. Scott
Ludwig Von Mises’ Insights on Intervention
‘The Transitional Gains Trap’ by Gordon Tullock
Dr. Bryan Caplan on RCC S2EP2
Karen Bradshaw
Bryan Leonard
Friedrich August Hayek
Ilia Murtazashvili
Kate Raworth