In 1581, a young Englishman named Henry Walpole attended the execution of the Jesuit Edmund Campion. As Campion was hung, drawn and quartered, Walpole stood close enough to be spattered with his holy blood. Though Campion’s fame in England was already great, Walpole would amplify it further with a splendid, lengthy poem, which became enormously popular among English Catholics—so popular that the man who printed the book had his ears cut off as punishment. In his poem Walpole wrote: We cannot fear a mortal torment, we, This martyr’s blood hath moistened all our hearts, Whose parted quarters when we chance to see We learn to play the constant Christian’s parts. This was more than wordplay: Two years after Campion’s death, Walpole became a priest, and was himself hung for the faith in 1595. St. Henry Walpole was not the only martyr who wrote poems. The 16th and 17th centuries produced a number of men whose courageous faith was accompanied by prodigious learning and literary talent. St. Thomas More wrote poems while languishing in the Tower of London. Another Jesuit martyr, St. Robert Southwell, powerfully influenced the later movement of “metaphysical poetry”, including the greatest Protestant poets of succeeding centuries—such as George Herbert and John Donne. The poetry of the English martyrs has been collected in an anthology called Lyra Martyrum. Benedict Whalen, the editor of the second edition, joins Thomas to discuss these authors, with Catholic Culture Audiobooks’ James T. Majewski performing several of their works. Contents [2:08] The historical/literary/educational circumstances that gave us a period of martyr-poets [7:23] Their influence as poets in the succeeding centuries [10:26] St. Robert Southwell’s Prefatory Epistle on the purpose of poetry [12:58] All the poets in the first edition of the anthology have since been beatified or canonized [14:29] The martyrdoms of the Jesuit Saints Edmund Campion and Henry Walpole [17:43] St. Henry Walpole, “Upon the Martyrdom of M. Edmund Campion” [30:23] The tradition of meditating on the Four Last Things [33:08] St. Philip Howard, Earl of Arundel, “Meditation upon Heaven” [37:43] St. Thomas More's early poems written for courtly occasions [40:11] More’s poems written in the Tower of London: “Lewis the Lost Lover” and “Davy the Dicer” [44:17] The theme of Fortune in medieval and Renaissance philosophy and poetry [47:12] The influence of Latin classics on English verse [49:16] More’s influence on English prose [51:29] The life and work of St. Robert Southwell [54:36] St. Robert Southwell, “The Burning Babe” [59:39] “A Child My Choice” [1:05:27] Southwell’s conceptual and sonic density: excerpts from “The Nativity of Christ” and “Look Home” [1:09:13] “I Die Alive” [1:12:52] “Mary Magdalen’s Complaint at Christ’s Death” [1:16:30] The remarkable story of St. Robert Southwell’s martyrdom [1:26:10] The appendix of this edition of Lyra Martyrum    Links Lyra Martyrum https://www.clunymedia.com/product/lyra-martyrum/ Benedict Whalen https://www.hillsdale.edu/faculty/benedict-whalen/ Catholic Culture Audiobooks https://www.catholicculture.org/audiobooks This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. If you like the show, please consider supporting us! http://catholicculture.org/donate/audio

Thomas recently had the privilege of playing piano on the latest album by Catholic composer Mark Christopher Brandt. The Butterfly consists of a suite for string quartet and piano, plus two solo piano pieces. The suite, which uses the butterfly’s transformation as an allegory of conversion, was described by the Catholic poet Dana Gioia as “fresh, inventive and alive”. In this episode you will hear the beautiful Butterfly suite in full, followed by a no less beautiful conversation in which Thomas shares what he learned from Mark during this project, and Mark (as always) shares much wisdom about music and the Christian life, peppered with examples from his journey in both. Central to the conversation about music is the continuum of artists throughout history, and the deeper continuum for Christian artists: that our work transcends history because our first audience is the heavenly court, regardless of what welcome our art finds in this world. Contents [2:51] Accompanying text to The Butterfly [4:38] The Butterfly suite [21:09] Why Mark wanted another pianist (Thomas) to play on this project [23:22] Granting the string players more room for individual creativity than is usual in the classical world [28:06] What Mark taught Thomas in the studio: making a mistake is not a sin [36:54] Benefits of documenting the results of one’s practice in order to move forward [41:59] The timeline of the album, spanning decades of Mark’s journey as a composer [47:09] The historical ‘continuum' of music and being a part of its progress [52:38] Mark’s counsel for those beginning to study composition [1:02:41] Contemporary pop has lost its connection to what came before it [1:07:17] Christians who are joyful are misunderstood as being naive [1:12:52] When Mark first became aware of how following Jesus was transforming him Links Purchase The Butterfly: Physical copies https://markchristopherbrandt.com/the-butterfly---store.html iTunes https://music.apple.com/us/album/the-butterfly/1488059624 Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Butterfly-Mark-Christopher-Brandt/dp/B081K8Y1C7 Purchase the score and/or parts https://markchristopherbrandt.com/the-butterfly-scores-and-parts.html   Previous interviews with Mark: Episode 33: Structure and Freedom in Music and in Christ https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/episode-33-structure-and-freedom-in-music-and-in-christ-mark-christopher-brandt/ The Nightingale https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/episode-0-nightingale-mark-christopher-brandt/  Other Resources Mark’s website https://www.markchristopherbrandt.com/ Manassas String Quartet https://www.manassasquartet.com/   This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. If you like the show, please consider supporting us! http://catholicculture.org/donate/audio

After growing up immersed in feminism and a dissident parish that left her deeply unhappy, Melody Lyons found truth and healing in the fullness of Christ's teaching on man and woman. Yet after decades of no longer considering herself a feminist, she started describing herself as a "Catholic feminist" in order to find common ground with secular women. Melody has recently realized that this strategy is counterproductive. What's worse, today's "Catholic feminism", ostensibly designed to be compatible with the faith, is starting to look eerily similar the dissident old guard she grew up with. Melody joins the show to discuss her conversion, the deviant spirituality of feminism, and the renewed popularity of dissidents from decades past among young, female Catholic "influencers".  She also explains how she found freedom in Pope St. John Paul II's writings on women, and how his scant rhetorical references to "true feminism" have been misinterpreted to justify the creation of a movement more rooted in secular thinking than in Christ. Melody's core message: The Gospel is sufficient.  Contents [1:08] Melody's background and her work as a mother, blogger and speaker [2:11] The context out of which her blog post, ‘Why I am No Longer a Catholic Feminist’, arose [8:14] Melody's upbringing in a divorced, feminist household and dissident church [9:53] Feminism is not only political, it is inevitably spiritual [17:02] War of all against all vs. the claimed goal of equality [21:04] Melody's conversion to real Catholicism through her husband and St. John Paul II [29:23] Catholic feminists’ attempt to co-opt the pro-life movement [35:24] The dangers of certain social media influencers [38:25] The failed attempt to find common ground between Catholic and secular feminists [41:58] The gradual subordination of faith to worldly thinking after Catholic feminism is adopted [44:30] Melody's response to the belief that feminism is necessary in our historical context [48:53] The bullying nature of feminism and its pressure on men [50:36] How men can positively influence the women in their lives [55:44] The response to Melody's post Links Melody Lyons, “Why I am No Longer A Catholic Feminist” https://www.theessentialmother.com/blog-2/why-i-am-not-a-catholic-feminist Melody Lyons on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/theessentialmother/ Melody Lyons on Twitter https://twitter.com/TheEssentialM This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. If you like the show, please consider supporting us! http://catholicculture.org/donate/audio

This is a tribute to Christopher Tolkien, who passed away on Jan. 16, 2020. Without Christopher's decades of dedicated scholarship, most notably his editing and publication of The Silmarillion, our knowledge of J. R. R. Tolkien's fictional world and very real genius would be considerably disadvantaged. Tolkien scholar John Garth, author of the acclaimed biography Tolkien and the Great War, joins the show to discuss a father-son collaboration unique in literary history. Contents [5:36] How Christopher Tolkien helped John in working on his book [13:40] The significance of the chronology of the composition of J.R.R. Tolkien's works [16:31] J.R.R. Tolkien's lifelong work on The Silmarillion and the editorial problems posed by the different drafts left at his death [23:37] Christopher’s childhood involvement with his father’s writing [29:19] The input Christopher had on the chapters of The Lord of the Rings written during WWII [34:40] Christopher's return from the war and his involvement with The Inklings [37:01] The initial response to The Silmarillion; impetus to edit History of Middle-Earth series   [43:17] J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis's forays into science fiction [47:47] What we learn from Tolkien’s early drafts presented in The History of Middle-Earth [55:15] Christopher's academic career, separate from his father's writing  [58:00] The Children of Hurin, Beren and Luthien, and The Fall of Gondolin [1:00:19] John and Thomas’s favorite posthumous publication from Tolkien, The Children of Húrin [1:03:10] Tolkien's exploration of his own creativity and flaws through his characters [1:06:01] Two recommendations for informed Tolkien fans looking to go deeper Links John Garth’s obituary of Christopher Tolkien https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jan/20/christopher-tolkien-obituary John Garth's website http://www.johngarth.co.uk/  John Garth, Tolkien and the Great War https://www.amazon.com/Tolkien-Great-War-John-Garth/dp/0007119534 John Garth, Tolkien at Exeter College http://www.johngarth.co.uk/php/tolkien_at_exeter_college.php If you haven't read it yet, The Silmarillion https://www.amazon.com/Silmarillion-J-R-R-Tolkien/dp/0544338014/ John's recommendations for "advanced" Tolkien study: The Monsters and the Critics and other Essays https://www.amazon.com/Monsters-Critics-Essays-J-R-R-Tolkien/dp/026110263X The Fall of Gondolin https://www.amazon.com/Fall-Gondolin-J-R-R-Tolkien/dp/1328613046 Online Great Books discount link https://www.onlinegreatbooks.com/culture Episode 27: interview with OGB founder Scott Hambrick https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/episode-27-always-wanted-to-study-great-books-heres-how-youll-actually-follow-through-scott-hambrick/ This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. If you like the show, please consider supporting us! http://catholicculture.org/donate/audio

Modernity elevated pure, abstract reasoning as the only way to know about reality. Reason having disenchanted everything else, modernity then became disenchanted with reason. The ascendancy of reason over superstitious myths was viewed by the postmodernists as just another myth to be exposed. The postmodernists were right to see that the dictates of reason were not wholly separate from our lives, self-images and desires, but were colored by the stories we tell about ourselves. But they were wrong to conclude that reason is therefore inherently suspect. That’s because human life really is imbued with an intelligible, narrative form, and we are capable of telling true stories about ourselves that reflect the actual story-form of our lives and history as a whole. Reason can function as a gloss on the story of creation. The mistake was thinking that it could ever be sealed off in a laboratory to begin with. It’s time to go back to seeing our lives and history itself as the intelligible stories they really are: to set mythos alongside logos as an essential way of apprehending truth—and then to go beyond both as words dissolve in silent contemplation of the One who told the story before it began. This is the conclusion of a three-part interview with poet-philosopher James Matthew Wilson about his book The Vision of the Soul: Truth, Goodness and Beauty in the Western Tradition. Contents [2:52] Recovering the role of storytelling in the perception of truth; the modern attempt to isolate reason from narrative [12:33] How Plato used stories not just as examples but to advance his argument and get at a comprehensive truth that reason reaches only partially and inefficiently [20:55] Story as the form and meaning of a human life [24:47] Modern abandonment of story as a means to truth; logos is crippled without mythos [30:42] Descartes’ reduction of reason to a tool for the gaining of mastery over the world [33:45] The Jordan Peterson-Campbell-Jung archetypal approach as a “poor man’s metaphysics” [38:29] Logos as a gloss on mythos [41:45] Postmodernist suspicion of reason as conditioned by narrative [44:05] The highest form of the intellectual life is silent prayer, not scholarship or analysis [49:10] Philosophy as a way of life; the invention of the “intellectual” as a noun [53:10] Practical takeaways: pray, ponder and play Links The Vision of the Soul https://www.amazon.com/Vision-Soul Goodness-Western-Tradition/dp/0813229286 James Matthew Wilson https://www.jamesmatthewwilson.com/ JMW Twitter https://twitter.com/JMWSPT This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. If you like the show, please consider supporting us! http://catholicculture.org/donate/audio

It’s Podcast Week here at CatholicCulture.org, as we want to make more people aware of our audio offerings, particularly the two new podcasts we launched last October: Catholic Culture Audiobooks and Way of the Fathers with Mike Aquilina. Both of these shows have broken new ground in Catholic podcasting, which has so far largely stayed in the realm of talk shows rather than scripted programming. As more and more people in the United States and globally adopt podcasts as a source of entertainment and education, it’s important that Christ be there to meet them. In this episode Thomas invites our other podcasters, voice actor James T. Majewski (Catholic Culture Audiobooks) and author Mike Aquilina (Way of the Fathers), to talk about how they make their shows and the effect reading and studying the Church Fathers has had on them personally. If you are a lector at Mass, you will find James’s comments on how he approaches reading the writings of the Saints inspiring and helpful. Contents [2:15] James's training in philosophy and acting as preparation for narrating the Fathers [7:00] How Mike meandered into a career writing about the Fathers [9:27] The original idea for audiobooks and podcasts at The Catholic Culture [15:33] How Mike distills scholarship into an accessible and edifying presentation of early Church history [21:20] The accessibility and affordability of creating a good-sounding podcast [24:16] James's process for preparing nuanced readings of the Fathers at a rapid pace [33:03] Mike’s and James’s recourse to the intercession of the holy authors they study [37:38] St. John Henry Newman and the early Fathers as masters of media [42:40] The mastery of the Fathers' work and its relevance today [45:55] The spiritual effects of narrating the writings of saints Links Support CatholicCulture.org’s podcasting efforts https://www.catholicculture.org/donate/audio Catholic Culture Audiobooks https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/category/audiobooks/ Way of the Fathers https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/category/way-fathers/ James T. Majewski https://www.jamestmajewski.com/ Mike Aquilina https://fathersofthechurch.com/ Episode 12 interview with Mike https://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/episode-12-career-in-poetry-prose-mike-aquilina/ This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. If you like the show, please consider supporting us! http://catholicculture.org/donate/audio

It is in the nature of Being to reveal itself to us, and in the natural realm this is done preeminently through beauty. Aquinas mentions radiance, clarity and proportion as beauty’s three criteria. Proportion is arguably the most important in showing forth Being, as beauty reveals the plenitude of relations among all things: the relation of the parts of a thing, of the parts to the whole which surpasses them, of the whole object to all other things, and to its Maker. This is part two of a three-part interview with poet and philosopher James Matthew Wilson about his book The Vision of the Soul. [3:10] The nihilistic disenchanting force of rationalism and its infiltration of Catholic thought [10:47] Beauty as a transcendental property of Being, and the “synthesis of all the transcendentals” [18:50] Theodor Adorno on reason and beauty [22:53] Aquinas’s tripartite formulation of beauty (radiance, clarity, proportion) illuminates the older definition of beauty as the splendor of form; an argument for proportion as most important [30:13] The pitfalls of Maritain’s focus on radiance and clarity over proportion [35:31] The modernist experiment to find out the degree to which beauty could eschew a pleasant surface and still remain beautiful [40:29] Modernism as a movement for metaphysical realism in art   Links James Matthew Wilson: https://www.jamesmatthewwilson.com/ JMW Twitter: https://twitter.com/JMWSPT The Vision of the Soul: https://www.amazon.com/Vision-Soul Goodness-Western-Tradition/dp/0813229286 A few of the artworks mentioned by James: The Dying Gaul https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_Gaul Seamus Heaney’s poem inspired by The Dying Gaul https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/57044/the-grauballe-man Laocoön and His Sons https://mymodernmet.com/laocoon-and-his-sons-statue/ This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. If you like the show, please consider supporting us! http://catholicculture.org/donate/audio

We've all heard the complaints about Catholic dating. Catholics have trouble with the concept of "casual dating" because they (rightly) see dating as oriented toward marriage but (wrongly) put all that weight on a single date. Some are perpetually "discerning" without ever really going anywhere. Women feel like if they don't find a spouse during their four years at a Catholic college, they've missed their chance. Some problems we share with the rest of the world: Men won't ask women out because they're timid or tranquilized by video games and porn. Women often feel they have to put on a persona, whether of a Jane Austen character or a "fierce" feminist (YAAAAS, SLAY QUEEN!). Matchmaker Emily Zanotti, known as the "Catholic Yenta", joins the show to discuss these and other pathologies of Catholic dating, and explains how she went from helping her friends find their spouses to handpicking matches for people across the country. Also interviewed is Eric Niehaus, creator of a soon-to-be-launched events app called Koin, which will allow Catholics to find and plan activities and events with other Catholics in their area. In a world in which Catholics often feel socially isolated, Koin aims to help us foster real-life community. Pt. 1: Emily Zanotti (Catholic Yenta) [2:55] How Emily found herself in the role of Catholic matchmaker [5:32] Why a matchmaker is in demand; problems with dating sites [6:47] How the matchmaking process works and Emily’s role in follow-up [9:31] What information is useful to Emily in matching people; prayer as the basis of the process [12:23] Success rate so far, future expansion [15:03] What Emily has learned talking to Jewish and Hindu matchmakers [18:39] Common issues and complaints from the Catholic dating scene [23:34] “Perpetual discernment” and unrealistic expectations in the Catholic dating pool [28:35] Risk, security and the Disney princess syndrome [30:29] Male timidity and sloth exacerbated by video games, porn, and feminism [34:58] Why some women think they need to put on a persona when dating Pt. 2: Eric Niehaus (Koin) [42:20] The meaning of the name Koin and the need for a specifically Catholic events app [44:45] Planned growth of the platform, city by city [46:36] Challenges of getting a new social platform off the ground [48:47] Cultivating community both in pre-existing organizations and parishes and in the wider geographical area [50:51] How Koin aims to partner with and compliment parishes [54:06] Extending participation beyond the young adult bracket; the benefits of spending time with people who aren't your age [57:52] Overcoming social stratification among Catholics Links Catholic Yenta form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdHOdPqLqQi5weQVnMqCWOZpBXUVxNKYD3Isgkf5oRsX63Kqw/viewform Emily Zanotti on Twitter https://twitter.com/emzanotti Koin http://www.meetkoin.com/ This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. If you like the show, please consider supporting us! http://catholicculture.org/donate/audio

The devastation rationalism has wrought on modernity has yet to be calculated, because it is the air we breathe, often regardless of our professed beliefs. To take politics as an example: the modern left, disenchanted with the Enlightenment narrative of reason’s supremacy, has, rather than restoring reason to its proper subordinate place in our vision of reality, instead become skeptical of all claims to truth. Lacking a foundation in truth, “critical thinking,” that shriveled scrap of reason enshrined by academics, has not kept them from believing any absurdity one could name. Meanwhile, establishment conservatism has for decades shown little awareness or interest in what is beyond immediate political utility—rendering its occasional victories at the ballot box empty of much power to conserve. Nonetheless, a certain artistic-cultural vitality has typically been associated with liberalism. Only recently, when liberals have taken on the role of censorious schoolmarm, has the right begun to appear more creatively daring in its challenge of the status quo. But this association of creativity with subversion of society’s dominant structures is itself a bequest of the liberal “tradition”, whose increasing banality should warn those on the right that there is only so much mileage one can get out of exposing corruption and hypocrisy. It may be surprising to learn that conservatism began as a literary and aesthetic movement rather than a political one. This is the starting point for a contemporary classic of philosophy, James Matthew Wilson’s The Vision of the Soul: Truth, Goodness and Beauty in the Western Tradition. The conservatives, starting with Edmund Burke in his critique of the French Revolution, defended the old order on the basis of its beauty. Wilson follows them in claiming that Beauty is central to the soul’s (and the West’s) vision of reality. This is the first of three episodes exploring themes from The Vision of the Soul. In this episode, after giving an account of the roots of liberalism and conservatism, and showing the emptiness of liberal “freedom”, “equality”, and “critical thinking”, Wilson lays out what he considers the six central insights of the Western (Christian Platonist) tradition, culminating in the contemplation of Being as our greatest excellence and happiness.   [1:14] The core message and themes of The Vision of the Soul [3:36] Liberalism as anti-culture [8:15] Liberal freedom and equality are negative and contradictory principles [11:13] The self-perpetuating struggle against phantoms of inequality [14:15] The emptiness of contemporary conservatism exemplified by the second Bush administration; recovering conservatism’s roots as a literary movement [18:53] Edmund Burke's critique of the French Revolution and utilitarian rationalism [24:16] Modern intellectuals since Hobbes have wanted to make reality less interesting and wonderful than it seems [29:13] Problems with rationalism and critical thinking as they are commonly understood [32:16] The six fundamental insights of the Western tradition; Christian Platonism [37:15] Beauty's oldest and deepest definition: veritatis splendor, the splendor of truth [41:05] The most excellent form of human life: contemplation of Being, realized in happiness/salvation as an end with no further ends beyond it [46:44] The difference between intellect and reason in relation to truth Links James Matthew Wilson https://www.jamesmatthewwilson.com/ The Vision of the Soul https://www.amazon.com/Vision-Soul-Goodness-Western-Tradition/dp/0813229286 James Matthew Wilson on Twitter https://twitter.com/JMWSPT This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. If you like the show, please consider supporting us! http://catholicculture.org/donate/audio

Princeton University recently hosted and funded a very Catholic event as part of its annual Being Human Festival. It was a several-hour program dedicated to representations of St. Cecilia in poetry, painting and music, exploring how a conversation between these art forms can stir us to wonder and the contemplation of the Divine. The day’s events included singing the Salve Regina and a dinner in honor of Our Lady of Guadalupe, whose feast it was. In the first part of this episode, Thomas and co-host James Majewski lead a roundtable discussion in which event organizer Joe Perez-Benzo, painter Andrew de Sa, and singer Emily de Sa look back at the event and its humanizing/evangelizing effects on participants. Joe explains how he was able to have an explicitly Catholic event funded by an Ivy League university, and offers suggestions as to how other Catholics can replicate this success wherever God has placed them. In part two, Andrew de Sa and poet James Matthew Wilson have fun reflecting on an unexpected occurrence in which one of Andrew’s paintings inspired a poem by James, which in turn inspired Andrew’s painting of St. Cecilia (unveiled at the Princeton event). The artists only became aware of this mutual inspiration after the fact. Part I Overview of the festival and the event’s concept [4:32] The religious demographics of the event [12:33] The combination of poems and paintings holding audience attention [15:32] Singing in a secular space filled with sacred art and the dynamic of the visual elements in conjunction with song [18:15] Andrew's feelings around unveiling his new painting for the event [20:04] Joe’s experience reading Latin classics at the places they describe or sites of their composition—ways of overcoming the modern isolation of works of art in a museum context [22:33] Singing the Salve Regina in “mixed company” [27:25] Getting the Princeton Humanities Council on board with the event, overcoming slight resistance [28:50] Advice for hosting similar events in public spaces or at home [36:38] The involvement of the Carl Schmitt Foundation [40:12] Emily de Sa and Ruth Swope perform 'Jesu Sweet' by Gustav Holst [46:00] Part II The providential influence between Andrew’s paintings and James Matthew Wilson’s poem [48:31] Holding oneself open to inspiration and associations which can make an artwork more dense with meaning [54:46] Theories of literary critics on the relevance of the artist’s intention to the viewer’s interpretation [57:17] Distinguishing art forms in order to unite them [1:01:40] Liturgy as the complete art from which the various art forms flow [1:05:44] Photos and video: Time lapse of Andrew de Sa painting his Flight into Egypt mural: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGRiLg2dTvc That painting inspired these lines in James Matthew Wilson’s “Hasten To Aid Thy Fallen People”: But every rising strain must strain indeed To lend the form to what in truth is light, And manifest peace as if it's a deed And give transcendence some arc of a flight. The purity of every saint Will be daubed on with sloppy paint, And what no thought may comprehend or say Must be taught in the staging of a play. Those lines inspired Andrew de Sa’s painting of St. Cecelia, unveiled at the Princeton event: Joe Perez-Benzo helps tourgoers enter into the mystery of the Incarnation as James Majewski looks on: Emily de Sa and Ruth Swope perform Holst’s Four Songs for Voice and Violin in the beautiful Princeton University Art Museum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYhryVUVlFI Final panel with Joe Perez-Benzo, Emily de Sa and Andrew de Sa:   Links Poetry which inspired Andrew de Sa’s St. Cecilia painting: http://studiodesa.com/book Andrew and Emily de Sa’s website: http://studiodesa.com/ Andrew de Sa on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ajdesa/ James Matthew Wilson’s website: https://www.jamesmatthewwilson.com/ Being Human Festival: https://beinghumanfestival.org/    John Dryden, Alexander’s Feast: http://jacklynch.net/Texts/alexander.html  Carl Schmitt Foundation: https://carlschmitt.org/ James Matthew Wilson, The River of the Immaculate Conception: https://www.wisebloodbooks.com/store/p96/The_River_of_the_Immaculate_Conception.html This podcast is a production of CatholicCulture.org. If you like the show, please consider supporting us! http://catholicculture.org/donate/audio