The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage & Bodywork Profession

A client with frequent nosebleeds works with a massage therapist on TMJ pain, and something unexpected happens: she goes from 3-4 bleeds a week, to about one. The therapist has referred her to get more information about her sinus health, which is a good idea. But is there anything else they can be doing? Sponsors:     Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com     Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com  MassageBook: www.massagebook.com EmbodyU: www.embodyu.net   Host Bio:                    Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com.                             Resources:    Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app   Association of Hypertension With the Risk and Severity of Epistaxis | Bleeding and Transfusion | JAMA Otolaryngology–Head & Neck Surgery | JAMA Network (no date). Available at: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/fullarticle/2770570 (Accessed: 28 May 2024).   Durham, J. and Wassell, R. (2011) ‘Recent Advancements in Temporomandibular Disorders (TMDs)’, Reviews in Pain, 5(1), pp. 18–25. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1177/204946371100500104.   Epistaxis and Hypertension: Reviewing a Complex Relationship (no date) Medscape. Available at: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/epistaxis-and-hypertension-reviewing-complex-relationship-2023a1000i7t (Accessed: 28 May 2024).   ‘Epistaxis: Practice Essentials, Anatomy, Pathophysiology’ (2024). Available at: https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/863220-overview?&icd=login_success_email_match_fpf (Accessed: 28 May 2024).   Karegeannes, M. (2018) Red Flags, Treating TMJ. Available at: https://www.treatingtmj.com/symptoms/red-flags/ (Accessed: 28 May 2024).   Nose Bleeds at Night: 5 Causes (2017) Healthline. Available at: https://www.healthline.com/health/nose-bleeds-at-night (Accessed: 28 May 2024).   Nosebleeds (Epistaxis): Causes, Treatment & Prevention (no date) Cleveland Clinic. Available at: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/13464-nosebleed-epistaxis (Accessed: 29 May 2024).   Nosebleeds: When It’s Time to Get Medical Attention (2021) Columbia University Irving Medical Center. Available at: https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/nosebleeds-when-its-time-get-medical-attention (Accessed: 28 May 2024). Image of Kiesselbach Plexus Credit: FirstAdmiral, CC-SA-3.0  

With all the things a back can do, and all the support the pelvis offers, there is a lot to be communicated from one to the other. Enter the SI joint. Otherwise known as the anatomical gossip fence. With all the chatter that happens here, it is, quite possibly, the busiest gossip fence ever.  Host:      Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com             Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com                      Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials at YouTube.com/RebelMassage. She is also passionate about creating products that are kind, simple, and productive for therapists to use in their practices. Her products, along with access to her blog and CE opportunities, can be found at rebelmassage.com.               This podcast sponsored by:     Rebel Massage Therapist: http://www.rebelmassage.com Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com  MassageBook: www.massagebook.com EmbodyU: www.embodyu.net   Rebel Massage Therapist: My name is Allison. And I am not your typical massage therapist. After 20 years of experience and thousands of clients, I have learned that massage therapy is SO MUCH more than a relaxing experience at a spa. I see soft tissue as more than merely a physical element but a deeply complex, neurologically driven part of who you are. I use this knowledge to work WITH you—not ON you—to create change that works. This is the basis of my approach. As a massage therapist, I have worked in almost every capacity, including massage clinics, physical therapy clinics, chiropractor offices, spas, private practice, and teaching. I have learned incredible techniques and strategies from each of my experiences. In my 20 years as a massage therapist, I have never stopped growing. I currently have a private practice based out of Long Beach, California, where I also teach continuing education classes and occasionally work on my kids. If they’re good.   website: www.rebelmassage.com     FB: facebook.com/RebelMassage     IG: instagram.com/rebelmassagetherapist     YouTube: youtube.com/c/RebelMassage     email: rebelmassagetherapist@gmail.com   Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.                      Website: anatomytrains.com                        Email: info@anatomytrains.com             Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains                       Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial   YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA     Save time and reduce stress with MassageBook. It’s not just software—it’s a comprehensive solution that handles online scheduling, payment processing, and marketing campaigns, making it easier for you to provide your clients with top-notch care. Enjoy free, unlimited access for 30 days and save on your monthly subscription with your exclusive ABMP member discount.   Special Offer: Right now, MassageBook is offering listeners $50 off when they sign up with coupon code ABMP50. Start your free 30-day trial today and transform your practice with tools designed to increase bookings and streamline client management.   Connect with MassageBook: Visit their website: MassageBook Follow MassageBook on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn   EmbodyU helps you find out what you're made of - from online anatomical embodiment and movement courses to in-depth Dissection + Embodiment labs, founders Ann Teachworth & Alison Wesley are passionate about helping therapists improve their skills through better anatomical education. Their 6-day fresh tissue cadaver dissections are approved by the NCBTMB for 45 CEs.   Ann Teachworth: co-founder of Trunamics, offering advanced massage education, including for ABMP and AMTA. She is a Franklin Method Educator, yoga teacher, and Director of Education at the Inspirit School of Healing Arts in Orlando, FL.    Alison Wesley: Franklin Method Faculty, yoga teacher, author of Understanding the Pelvis: A Functional Approach to Yoga and Faculty at Oregon School of Massage. She shares embodied anatomical study and movement classes online and in-person in Portland, Oregon.    Website: embodyu.net/dissection Dissection Promo Code: EMBODYABMP Instagram: instagram.com/embody_u  

Paper is everywhere in a small business. In this episode of Business or Pressure, host Allissa Haines discusses how to handle it properly and even reduce the use of paper when possible.   Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner and columnist for Massage & Bodywork magazine. You can find her building a community of massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com/community.   Resources:   https://www.abmp.com/updates/blog-posts/4-steps-managing-business-paperwork   https://www.abmp.com/podcasts/ep-432-walking-fine-line-friendship-and-therapist   Author links:   Website: www.deepbreathdigital.com/community   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deepbreathcommunity/   Sponsors:   Jojoba: www.jojobacompany.com   HobaCare Jojoba is a premium quality, 100% pure jojoba oil that is highly beneficial for massage therapists. As a single-ingredient product, it aligns perfectly with holistic practices, providing an all-natural, chemical-free massage medium option. Jojoba oil closely resembles human sebum, which allows it to absorb easily and deeply into the skin, delivering a non-greasy, moisturizing experience that doesn't clog pores or cause allergic reactions. This unique property makes it an excellent medium for massage, enhancing tactile contact without leaving an oily residue. HobaCare Jojoba is also shelf stable and will not stain natural fiber sheets. By choosing HobaCare Jojoba, massage therapists can enhance their practice, offering clients a superior, skin-friendly experience that promotes both skin health and overall well-being. Website: www.hobacare.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jojobacompany Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jojobacompany    

Being a skillful feeler is a huge part of what we do in the massage room. And beyond being a good palpator, our touch influences the anatomy our clients feel. In this second episode in our three-part series “Your Practice in 3D,” we discuss the concept of feeling anatomy from the point of view of both the therapist and the client and how AnatomySCAPES dissection lab trainings are improving therapists’ ability to understand the anatomy they touch.   Resources and Author Links:   Journey Into the MATRIX: the Fascial System” dissection lab workshop: http://www.anatomyscapes.com/MATRIX   website: www.anatomyscapes.com   FB: facebook.com/AnatomySCAPES   IG: instagram.com/anatomyscapes   YouTube: youtube.com/@anatomyscapes   email: info@anatomyscapes.com   Hosts:   AnatomySCAPES Co-Directors, Rachelle Clauson and Nicole Trombley, are NCBTMB-approved continuing education providers and teach anatomy explorations for hands-on professionals online and in person. They co-author the “Anatomy for Touch” column in Massage & Bodywork magazine and enjoy helping therapists better understand how anatomy relates to what they are feeling through their sense of touch.   Nicole Trombley: As a massage educator, Nicole draws on her passion for human biology to help therapists better understand the tissues under their hands. She owns and operates Equilibrio Massage in San Diego, CA, where she has specialized in massage for pregnancy and postpartum for the past 20 years.   Rachelle Clauson: Rachelle loves teaching therapists about the structural organization and beauty of the human fascial system. She served as the Director of Creative and Administrative Affairs for the Fascial Net Plastination Project, and owns Flourish Bodywork, her private practice where she has offered hands-on bodywork in San Diego, CA, for the past 21 years.   Sponsors: MYCO CLINIC: www.myco-clinic.com MassageBook: www.massagebook.com  

What’s the difference between coaching, counseling, and psychotherapy? In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Angie Parris-Raney is joined by Mary McEvilly-Hernandez, a master certified and professional coach, to discuss what the framework of coaching consists of, how it requires presence, deep listening, and curiosity, and how it’s a transferable skill for massage therapists. After growing increasingly uncomfortable in corporate America, Mary McEvilly-Hernandez built a coaching practice in 2011 to help her clients live and work from their hearts as well as their heads. Her clients find that self-awareness and self-acceptance open the door to personal and professional transformation.   Mary is a master certified and professional coach. She trained and certified with Martha Beck Inc. and was recruited, trained, and certified as a Chopra coach in 2017. She has a PCC credential from the International Coaching Federation and is a National Board Certified Health and Wellness coach. Mary is an instructor and mentor for the Chopra Coaching Certification program and the MBI Wayfinder Coach Training Program. She is bilingual, working with clients in English and Spanish. Originally from Chicago, she and her family live in Arizona and Mexico. Mary coaches executives, those with blended families, and those with children with special needs.    Host:   Angie Parris-Raney is a licensed massage therapist and is the advertising director for ABMP. She is Chopra Center Certified in meditation and ayurvedic lifestyle. Her training explores physical, emotional, mental, and spiritual health. Angie is also the founder of the nonprofit, Project Inti, an organization that provides aid to low-income Peruvian families and communities. For more information, visit www.projectinti.org. Sponsors: Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com  MYCO CLINIC: www.myco-clinic.com MassageBook: www.massagebook.com

Allissa Haines, a practicing massage therapist, shares tips on navigating dual relationships in a massage business, including handling requests for discounts from friends and family. She discusses setting boundaries, transitioning to structured pricing, and communicating changes effectively. The podcast also covers dealing with difficult clients and the benefits of the Calm app for promoting relaxation.

A person with rheumatoid arthritis and lupus develops new back pain in her mid-upper left side. It feels like “it’s coming from under my ribs,” she says. First, it’s diagnosed as arthritis, but interventions don’t seem to make a difference. Finally, a year into this unremitting pain, a rheumatologist asks about her breathing and discovers she has developed a complication called pulmonary thrombosis, probably related to her autoimmune diseases. They start treatment and voilà, her back pain is gone. This is a good example of a case in which massage therapy was definitely NOT the best choice.   Resources: Dsouza, K.G. et al. (2023) ‘Management of interstitial lung disease in patients with autoimmune disease-related interstitial lung disease’, Multidisciplinary Respiratory Medicine, 18(1), p. 890. Available at: https://doi.org/10.4081/mrm.2023.890.   Fibrosis as an autoimmune disease (no date) CPC - M. Available at: https://www.cpc-munich.de/en/research-projects/fibrosis-as-an-autoimmune-disease/index.html, https://www.cpc-munich.de/en/research-projects/fibrosis-as-an-autoimmune-disease/index.html (Accessed: 3 May 2024).   3. Gole, S. and Bankole, A. (2024) ‘Nintedanib’, in StatPearls. Treasure Island (FL): StatPearls Publishing. Available at: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK585049/ (Accessed: 8 May 2024).   Interstitial Lung Diseases - What Are Interstitial Lung Diseases? | NHLBI, NIH (2022). Available at: https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/interstitial-lung-diseases (Accessed: 8 May 2024).   5. Kašiković Lečić, S. et al. (2022) ‘Management of musculoskeletal pain in patients with idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis: a review’, Upsala Journal of Medical Sciences, 127, p. 10.48101/ujms.v127.8739. Available at: https://doi.org/10.48101/ujms.v127.8739.   6. Massage & Bodywork - MAY | JUNE 2021 (no date). Available at: https://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1358392-may-june-     Host:   Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com.        Sponsors:   Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com    Elements Massage: www.elementsmassage.com/abmp   Earthlite: www.earthlite.com  

Certified massage therapist Allison Denney explores the superhero qualities of the greater omentum in human anatomy, comparing it to a ziplock bag protecting organs from diseases like cancer. She proposes a fun new name 'octoalchemist' for this vital organ with unique functions in inflammation control and immune response.

Emergency funds are for emergencies, but how do we save for planned time away from our businesses? Business or Pressure host Allissa Haines walks through the process of saving money for a leave of absence.  Resources:   Ep 425 - Budgets and Savings in Your Massage Business https://www.abmp.com/podcasts/ep-425-budgets-and-savings-your-massage-business-business-or-pressure-allissa-haines   Foster Creative Design https://www.fostercreativedesign.com/   Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner and columnist for Massage & Bodywork magazine. You can find her building a community of massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com/community.   Author links:   Website: www.deepbreathdigital.com/community   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deepbreathcommunity/   Sponsors:   Jojoba: www.jojobacompany.com   HobaCare Jojoba is a premium quality, 100% pure jojoba oil that is highly beneficial for massage therapists. As a single-ingredient product, it aligns perfectly with holistic practices, providing an all-natural, chemical-free massage medium option. Jojoba oil closely resembles human sebum, which allows it to absorb easily and deeply into the skin, delivering a non-greasy, moisturizing experience that doesn't clog pores or cause allergic reactions. This unique property makes it an excellent medium for massage, enhancing tactile contact without leaving an oily residue. HobaCare Jojoba is also shelf stable and will not stain natural fiber sheets. By choosing HobaCare Jojoba, massage therapists can enhance their practice, offering clients a superior, skin-friendly experience that promotes both skin health and overall well-being. Website: www.hobacare.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jojobacompany Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jojobacompany    

Two names that are well known within the bodywork community—Dr. David Simons, author of Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction: The Trigger Point Manual, and Moshe Feldenkrais, engineer, physicist, and founder of the Feldenkrais Method. Who were these pioneers in the bodywork profession and what can we learn from their origins? Resources:   Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction: The Trigger Point Manual: https://www.amazon.com/Myofascial-Pain-Dysfunction-Trigger-Manual/dp/0683083635   Feldenkrais Method: https://feldenkrais.com/   Host:   Douglas Nelson is Board Certified in Massage Therapy and Therapeutic Bodywork, beginning his career in massage therapy in 1977.  Seeing over 1,200 client visits annually for decades, he is also the owner of BodyWork Associates, a massage therapy clinic in Champaign, IL. with 21 therapists that was established in 1982. He is the founder of NMT MidWest, Inc., providing training in Precision Neuromuscular Therapy™ across the USA. He has personally taught more than 13,000 hours of continuing education and is the author of three books. Doug is a past president of the Massage Therapy Foundation. Sponsors:  Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com    Elements Massage: www.elementsmassage.com/abmp   Earthlite: www.earthlite.com