
The ABMP Podcast | Speaking With the Massage & Bodywork Profession
Our goal is to speak with luminaries and experts in and around massage and bodywork to help expound upon and better understand our profession and our practices.
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Nov 4, 2022 • 12min
Ep 292 – Sepsis: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner
An 82-year-old client lives with bladder cancer. After cataract surgery, he developed a urinary tract infection (UTI) and sepsis and had to spend 10 days in the hospital. Now he’s home, on IV antibiotics, and wants a massage. His therapist wonders, will he ever be able to receive massage again? Sponsors: Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com Advanced-Trainings: www.advanced-trainings.com Host Bio: Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com. Recent Articles by Ruth: “Working with Invisible Pain,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, November/December 2022, page 36, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1481961-november-december-2022/38 “Unpacking the Long Haul,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 35, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1439667-january-february-2022/36. “Chemotherapy-Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and Massage Therapy,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 33, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1402696-september-october-2021/34. “Pharmacology Basics for Massage Therapists,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, July/August 2021, page 32, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1384577-july-august-2021/34. Resources: Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app IHACW: Descending Necrotizing Mediastinitis https://www.abmp.com/podcasts/ep-148-descending-necrotizing-mediastinitis-dnm-i-have-client-who-pathology-conversations-ruth M&B article on sepsis and post-sepsis syndrome http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1417136-november-december-2021/42?token=ZWM1ZjJmODdiNTEwOWZiM2ViMWYzNDQ1YzIxYTJjMmJkYWZlMWE0NQ%3D%3D About our Sponsor: About Til Luchau and Advanced-Trainings.com: As a Certified Advanced Rolfer™, Til was on the faculty of the Dr. Ida Rolf Institute® for 20 years, where he served as Coordinator and Faculty Chair of the Foundations of Rolfing Structural Integration program. The author of the Advanced Myofascial Techniques textbook series (which has been translated into 6 languages), his regular Myofascial Techniques and Somatic Edge columns have been featured in Massage & Bodywork magazine since 2009, and (along with Whitney Lowe) he co-hosts the popular Thinking Practitioner Podcast. He is the Director of Advanced-Trainings.com which since 1985 has offered short, credit-approved professional trainings and certification for manual therapists of all types, in person and online. Website: Advanced-Trainings.com Email: info@advanced-trainings.com Facebook: facebook.com/Advanced.Trainings1/ Instagram: instagram.com/tilluchau YouTube: youtube.com/user/AdvancedTrainings

Nov 1, 2022 • 34min
Ep 291 – Working with Invisible Pain with Ruth Werner
In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Darren speaks with Ruth Werner and Angie Parris-Raney about working with clients who have fibromyalgia, how medical opinions have changed – or haven’t, and how MT’s should reset expectations and instead honor “the human experience”. Resources: “Working with Invisible Pain,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, November/December 2022, page 36, Host: Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and consumer levels for 24 years. He has served as board member and president of the Western Publishing Association, as well as board member for Association Media & Publishing. Contact him at editor@abmp.com. Sponsors: Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com Elements Massage: http://www.elementsmassage.com/abmp Precision Neuromuscular Therapy: www.pnmt.org Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function. Website: anatomytrains.com Email: info@anatomytrains.com Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA Founded by a massage therapist for massage therapists, the Elements Massage® brand is a network of independently owned and operated studios dedicated to changing lives--including yours! The Elements Massage brand believes massage therapists deserve a supportive team, business and marketing resources, and the chance to learn as much as they want, so many Elements Massage studios offer and reimburse continuing education on an ongoing basis. It's no surprise Elements Massage therapist and client satisfaction leads the industry. That's because from day one, the brand has kept an unmatched commitment to deliver the best therapeutic massage experiences possible for both clients and massage therapists. Elements Massage studios expects the best. So should you. If this sounds like a fit, reach out. Studios are hiring! Website: https://elementsmassage.com/ABMP Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/elementsmassage Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elementsmassage Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXLHkAYMgmA6_MJ8DSEZm-A Disclaimer: Each Elements Massage® studio is independently owned and operated. Franchise owners (or their designated hiring managers) are solely responsible for all employment and personnel decisions and matters regarding their independently owned and operated studios, including hiring, direction, training, supervision, discipline, discharge, compensation (e.g., wage practices and tax withholding and reporting requirements), and termination of employment. Elements Therapeutic Massage, LLC (ETM) is not involved in, and is not responsible for, employment and personnel matters and decisions made by any franchise owner. All individuals hired by franchise owners’ studios are their employees, not those of ETM. Benefits vary by independently owned and operated Elements Massage® studios. Elements Massage® and Elements Massage + design are registered trademarks owned by ETM. Therapists who are drawn to Precision Neuromuscular Therapy are problem-solvers who want to learn new approaches, but also understand the “why” behind the “what”. This desire resonates with our emphasis on the problem-solving process, rather than the teaching of a singular technique or approach. Led by founder Douglas Nelson, each PNMT instructor is a busy clinician with decades of practical experience. We have taught hundreds of hands-on live seminars for more than twenty years, emphasizing precise palpation and assessment skills. PNMT online courses are another rich source of discovery and deeper understanding. Also available is a video resource library (PNMT Portal) with hundreds of videos of treatment, assessment, pathology, and practice pearls. Learn more at www.pnmt.org

Oct 28, 2022 • 16min
Ep 290 – Deep Brain Stimulation (DBS): “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner
A massage therapist accidentally finds an electrical wire running down their client’s neck, alongside their SCM—surprise! It turns out to be a deep brain stimulation (DBS) device to help treat Parkinson’s disease. DBS can also be used to treat a handful of other conditions, and treating more conditions continues to be investigated. So the chance you could have a client with a DBS device is higher than ever. How do we do that safely? Listen to this episode of “I Have a Client Who . . . ” for more. Sponsors: Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com Advanced-Trainings: www.advanced-trainings.com Host Bio: Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com. Recent Articles by Ruth: “Unpacking the Long Haul,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 35, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1439667-january-february-2022/36. “Chemotherapy-Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and Massage Therapy,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 33, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1402696-september-october-2021/34. “Pharmacology Basics for Massage Therapists,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, July/August 2021, page 32, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1384577-july-august-2021/34. Resources: Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app Image of Deep Brain Stimulation: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deep_Brain_Stimulation.jpg Deep Brain Stimulation (2021). Available at: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/deep-brain-stimulation (Accessed: 26 October 2022). Deep Brain Stimulation – Advantages, Risks and Conditions Treated (no date a). Available at: https://www.aans.org/ (Accessed: 25 October 2022). Deep Brain Stimulation (DBS) FAQ | Boston Scientific (no date) www.dbsandme.com. Available at: https://www.dbsandme.com/en/support-and-resources/faq.html (Accessed: 26 October 2022). Deep Brain Stimulation (DBS): What It Is, Purpose & Procedure (no date) Cleveland Clinic. Available at: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/21088-deep-brain-stimulation (Accessed: 26 October 2022). Franchina, P. (2019) ‘Deep brain stimulation and swimming’, American Parkinson Disease Association, 4 December. Available at: https://www.apdaparkinson.org/article/deep-brain-stimulation-and-swimming/ (Accessed: 26 October 2022). ‘Life after deep brain stimulation – eParkinsonPost’ (no date). Available at: https://parkinsonpost.com/life-after-deep-brain-stimulation/ (Accessed: 26 October 2022). St. Joseph’s Hospital and Medical Center, Phoenix (2022) Exercise in Advanced Parkinson’s Disease (PD) With Deep Brain Stimulation (DBS). Clinical trial registration NCT05204680. clinicaltrials.gov. Available at: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05204680 (Accessed: 25 October 2022). What you need to know about deep brain stimulation (DBS) | News (2020). Available at: https://news.llu.edu/patient-care/what-you-need-know-about-deep-brain-stimulation-dbs (Accessed: 26 October 2022). About our Sponsor: About Til Luchau and Advanced-Trainings.com: As a Certified Advanced Rolfer™, Til was on the faculty of the Dr. Ida Rolf Institute® for 20 years, where he served as Coordinator and Faculty Chair of the Foundations of Rolfing Structural Integration program. The author of the Advanced Myofascial Techniques textbook series (which has been translated into 6 languages), his regular Myofascial Techniques and Somatic Edge columns have been featured in Massage & Bodywork magazine since 2009, and (along with Whitney Lowe) he co-hosts the popular Thinking Practitioner Podcast. He is the Director of Advanced-Trainings.com which since 1985 has offered short, credit-approved professional trainings and certification for manual therapists of all types, in person and online. Website: Advanced-Trainings.com Email: info@advanced-trainings.com Facebook: facebook.com/Advanced.Trainings1/ Instagram: instagram.com/tilluchau YouTube: youtube.com/user/AdvancedTrainings

Oct 25, 2022 • 25min
Ep 289 – High-quality, Committed Clients with Joanna Sapir
You believe in your work. This is your purpose, and you want a business that reflects that. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren speak with small business coach Joanna Sapir about how practitioners can serve their clients more deeply, how consultations should be used as a growth strategy, and how to step into a leadership role to create committed client relationships. Joanna Sapir provides small business coaching in the San Francisco Bay Area and around the world, helping innovative practitioners build more profitable and sustainable businesses. She is also the host of the podcast The Business Revolution for Practitioners. For more information, visit joannasapir.com. Hosts: Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and consumer levels for 24 years. He has served as board member and president of the Western Publishing Association, as well as board member for Association Media & Publishing. Contact him at editor@abmp.com. Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com. Sponsors: Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com Elements Massage: http://www.elementsmassage.com/abmp Precision Neuromuscular Therapy: www.pnmt.org Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function. Website: anatomytrains.com Email: info@anatomytrains.com Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA Founded by a massage therapist for massage therapists, the Elements Massage® brand is a network of independently owned and operated studios dedicated to changing lives--including yours! The Elements Massage brand believes massage therapists deserve a supportive team, business and marketing resources, and the chance to learn as much as they want, so many Elements Massage studios offer and reimburse continuing education on an ongoing basis. It's no surprise Elements Massage therapist and client satisfaction leads the industry. That's because from day one, the brand has kept an unmatched commitment to deliver the best therapeutic massage experiences possible for both clients and massage therapists. Elements Massage studios expects the best. So should you. If this sounds like a fit, reach out. Studios are hiring! Website: https://elementsmassage.com/ABMP Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/elementsmassage Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elementsmassage Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXLHkAYMgmA6_MJ8DSEZm-A Disclaimer: Each Elements Massage® studio is independently owned and operated. Franchise owners (or their designated hiring managers) are solely responsible for all employment and personnel decisions and matters regarding their independently owned and operated studios, including hiring, direction, training, supervision, discipline, discharge, compensation (e.g., wage practices and tax withholding and reporting requirements), and termination of employment. Elements Therapeutic Massage, LLC (ETM) is not involved in, and is not responsible for, employment and personnel matters and decisions made by any franchise owner. All individuals hired by franchise owners’ studios are their employees, not those of ETM. Benefits vary by independently owned and operated Elements Massage® studios. Elements Massage® and Elements Massage + design are registered trademarks owned by ETM. Therapists who are drawn to Precision Neuromuscular Therapy are problem-solvers who want to learn new approaches, but also understand the “why” behind the “what”. This desire resonates with our emphasis on the problem-solving process, rather than the teaching of a singular technique or approach. Led by founder Douglas Nelson, each PNMT instructor is a busy clinician with decades of practical experience. We have taught hundreds of hands-on live seminars for more than twenty years, emphasizing precise palpation and assessment skills. PNMT online courses are another rich source of discovery and deeper understanding. Also available is a video resource library (PNMT Portal) with hundreds of videos of treatment, assessment, pathology, and practice pearls. Learn more at www.pnmt.org

Oct 21, 2022 • 13min
Ep 288 – Iron Infusions: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner
A client is undergoing a series of intravenous iron infusions to treat anemia. Her doctor has cleared her for massage, but her massage therapist still has questions—as they should. What are the cautions or contraindications for someone who needs to supplement iron intravenously? Let’s find out. Sponsors: Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com Advanced-Trainings: www.advanced-trainings.com Host Bio: Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com. Recent Articles by Ruth: “Unpacking the Long Haul,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 35, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1439667-january-february-2022/36. “Chemotherapy-Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and Massage Therapy,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 33, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1402696-september-october-2021/34. “Pharmacology Basics for Massage Therapists,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, July/August 2021, page 32, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1384577-july-august-2021/34. Resources: Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app Anemia - Iron-Deficiency Anemia | NHLBI, NIH (no date). Available at: https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/anemia/iron-deficiency-anemia (Accessed: 19 October 2022). Foods High in Iron: Clams, Dark Chocolate, White Beans, and Many More (2019) Healthline. Available at: https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/foods-high-in-iron (Accessed: 19 October 2022). Iron Infusion: Benefits, Side Effects, and What to Expect (no date). Available at: https://www.healthline.com/health/iron-infusion (Accessed: 19 October 2022). Iron infusion: Uses, benefits, and what to expect (2017). Available at: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318827 (Accessed: 19 October 2022). Iron Sucrose (Intravenous Route) Side Effects - Mayo Clinic (no date). Available at: https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/iron-sucrose-intravenous-route/side-effects/drg-20075836 (Accessed: 19 October 2022). Rossi, E. (2005) ‘Hepcidin - the Iron Regulatory Hormone’, Clinical Biochemist Reviews, 26(3), pp. 47–49. About our Sponsor: About Til Luchau and Advanced-Trainings.com: As a Certified Advanced Rolfer™, Til was on the faculty of the Dr. Ida Rolf Institute® for 20 years, where he served as Coordinator and Faculty Chair of the Foundations of Rolfing Structural Integration program. The author of the Advanced Myofascial Techniques textbook series (which has been translated into 6 languages), his regular Myofascial Techniques and Somatic Edge columns have been featured in Massage & Bodywork magazine since 2009, and (along with Whitney Lowe) he co-hosts the popular Thinking Practitioner Podcast. He is the Director of Advanced-Trainings.com which since 1985 has offered short, credit-approved professional trainings and certification for manual therapists of all types, in person and online. Website: Advanced-Trainings.com Email: info@advanced-trainings.com Facebook: facebook.com/Advanced.Trainings1/ Instagram: instagram.com/tilluchau YouTube: youtube.com/user/AdvancedTrainings

Oct 20, 2022 • 15min
Ep 287 - The Rotator Cuff and Pie Throwing: “The Rebel MT” with Allison Denney
The rotator cuff muscles should be added to the history books among all the other famous foursomes. But that doesn’t mean those rotator cuff muscles know how to work well together. Learning this skill is not as easy as it might seem. This is where we step in. It’s a little like balancing a pie as you decide whether or not to throw it in your friend’s face. But then, should you even throw the pie? Join Allison as she delves into this conundrum and analyzes how the muscles of the rotator cuff might help us understand why being “other oriented” could answer a few questions. Resources: Click here to view the muscles of the rotator cuff. Host: Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials at YouTube.com/RebelMassage. She is also passionate about creating products that are kind, simple, and productive for therapists to use in their practices. Her products, along with access to her blog and CE opportunities, can be found at rebelmassage.com. Allison’s column in Massage & Bodywork magazine: “The QL and the Psoas: The Epitome of Codependency” by Allison Denney, Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 24. “The Hand: A User’s Guide,” by Allison Denney, Massage & Bodywork magazine. November/December 2021, page 81. “Feelization: Connect with Clients on a Deeper Level,” by Allison Denney, Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 85. This podcast sponsored by: Rebel Massage Therapist: http://www.rebelmassage.com The Academy of Lymphatic Studies (ACOLS): acols.com Rebel Massage Therapist: My name is Allison. And I am not your typical massage therapist. After 20 years of experience and thousands of clients, I have learned that massage therapy is SO MUCH more than a relaxing experience at a spa. I see soft tissue as more than merely a physical element but a deeply complex, neurologically driven part of who you are. I use this knowledge to work WITH you—not ON you—to create change that works. This is the basis of my approach. As a massage therapist, I have worked in almost every capacity, including massage clinics, physical therapy clinics, chiropractor offices, spas, private practice, and teaching. I have learned incredible techniques and strategies from each of my experiences. In my 20 years as a massage therapist, I have never stopped growing. I currently have a private practice based out of Long Beach, California, where I also teach continuing education classes and occasionally work on my kids. If they’re good. website: www.rebelmassage.com FB: facebook.com/RebelMassage IG: instagram.com/rebelmassagetherapist YouTube: youtube.com/c/RebelMassage email: rebelmassagetherapist@gmail.com The Academy of Lymphatic Studies (ACOLS) promotes the quality and integrity of continuing education to practitioners in the field of lymphedema and edema management. Manual lymphatic drainage helps to reduce edema of various genesis, including posttraumatic and post-surgical edema, as well as several pathologies, such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, migraines, and chronic pain. Highly skilled manual lymphatic drainage therapists with advanced training are instrumental in supporting the healing process in patients recovering from oncology treatments as well as cosmetic, reconstructive, and gender affirming surgery. ACOLS offers Manual Lymph Drainage (MLD) Certification and Complete Lymphedema Therapy Certification courses in both in-person and hybrid options. With 150 annual course offerings all over the country, students can find the right course for them. Website: acols.com Facebook: facebook.com/AcademyofLymphaticStudies LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/academy-of-lymphatic-studies-llc Instagram: instagram.com/lymphaticstudies Email: admissions@acols.com

Oct 18, 2022 • 26min
Ep 286 – The “What If” Scenario with Allissa Haines and Michael Reynolds
Things happen. Everyone is at risk of a tragic event such as death or disability. A solid plan will lead to peace of mind. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Allissa and Michael discuss the importance of having a plan in place for such an event, how to organize your “get hit by a bus” file, and how having a trusted person to manage your business affairs is an absolute must. Allissa is a co-founder at Massage Business Blueprint and is the lead mastermind behind most of the content in that community. She has run a busy massage practice since 2005 and loves helping other massage therapists build happy, sustainable businesses. She has served as a volunteer in two massage organizations, taught across the country, and has been published in several massage publications, including Massage & Bodywork magazine. Known for being fast-acting and hilarious, she’s also super into pizza and chaos gardening. Michael is a co-founder at Massage Business Blueprint and handles much of the marketing and technology behind that community. He has owned a digital marketing agency for two decades and is a former massage therapist. He has served in a volunteer capacity for numerous massage therapy organizations and has provided comprehensive marketing services for prominent massage industry companies. He’s a professional speaker, technology-obsessed, a productivity ninja, and a marketing strategist. He also loves sushi, tennis, travel, and his wife and son. Resources: Read their latest article in Massage & Bodywork magazine: http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1476304-september-october-2022/84 Hosts: Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and consumer levels for 24 years. He has served as board member and president of the Western Publishing Association, as well as board member for Association Media & Publishing. Contact him at editor@abmp.com. Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com. Sponsors: Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com Elements Massage: http://www.elementsmassage.com/abmp Precision Neuromuscular Therapy: www.pnmt.org Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function. Website: anatomytrains.com Email: info@anatomytrains.com Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA Founded by a massage therapist for massage therapists, the Elements Massage® brand is a network of independently owned and operated studios dedicated to changing lives--including yours! The Elements Massage brand believes massage therapists deserve a supportive team, business and marketing resources, and the chance to learn as much as they want, so many Elements Massage studios offer and reimburse continuing education on an ongoing basis. It's no surprise Elements Massage therapist and client satisfaction leads the industry. That's because from day one, the brand has kept an unmatched commitment to deliver the best therapeutic massage experiences possible for both clients and massage therapists. Elements Massage studios expects the best. So should you. If this sounds like a fit, reach out. Studios are hiring! Website: https://elementsmassage.com/ABMP Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/elementsmassage Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elementsmassage Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXLHkAYMgmA6_MJ8DSEZm-A Disclaimer: Each Elements Massage® studio is independently owned and operated. Franchise owners (or their designated hiring managers) are solely responsible for all employment and personnel decisions and matters regarding their independently owned and operated studios, including hiring, direction, training, supervision, discipline, discharge, compensation (e.g., wage practices and tax withholding and reporting requirements), and termination of employment. Elements Therapeutic Massage, LLC (ETM) is not involved in, and is not responsible for, employment and personnel matters and decisions made by any franchise owner. All individuals hired by franchise owners’ studios are their employees, not those of ETM. Benefits vary by independently owned and operated Elements Massage® studios. Elements Massage® and Elements Massage + design are registered trademarks owned by ETM. Therapists who are drawn to Precision Neuromuscular Therapy are problem-solvers who want to learn new approaches, but also understand the “why” behind the “what”. This desire resonates with our emphasis on the problem-solving process, rather than the teaching of a singular technique or approach. Led by founder Douglas Nelson, each PNMT instructor is a busy clinician with decades of practical experience. We have taught hundreds of hands-on live seminars for more than twenty years, emphasizing precise palpation and assessment skills. PNMT online courses are another rich source of discovery and deeper understanding. Also available is a video resource library (PNMT Portal) with hundreds of videos of treatment, assessment, pathology, and practice pearls. Learn more at www.pnmt.org

Oct 14, 2022 • 15min
Ep 285 – Trauma-sensitive Intake Forms: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner
A client struggles to find the best way to tell her massage therapist about her trauma history. A massage therapist wants to make this an easier process, without running the risk of re-traumatizing clients. The whole thing is much more complicated than it looks. What is trauma? Who’s a survivor? What is trauma-informed care? And where does massage therapy fit in? Sponsors: Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com Advanced-Trainings: www.advanced-trainings.com Host Bio: Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com. Recent Articles by Ruth: “Unpacking the Long Haul,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 35, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1439667-january-february-2022/36. “Chemotherapy-Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and Massage Therapy,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 33, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1402696-september-october-2021/34. “Pharmacology Basics for Massage Therapists,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, July/August 2021, page 32, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1384577-july-august-2021/34. Resources: Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app Ep 196 – Trauma-Informed Care—Interview with Pamela Fitch: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner (2022) Associated Bodywork & Massage Professionals. Available at: https://www.abmp.com/podcasts/ep-196-trauma-informed-care-interview-pamela-fitch-i-have-client-who-pathology-conversations-ruth (Accessed: 3 October 2022). Massage & Bodywork - MAY | JUNE 2022 (no date). Available at: http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1464088-may-june-2022/72? (Accessed: 3 October 2022). Introduction to Trauma Informed Care with Kammaleatheahh Livingstone, https://online.healwell.org/courses/intro-to-trauma-informed-care Resources for Pam Fitch (one of my favorite resources for this topic!) https://www.pamelafitch-rmt.com/ Talking Body Listening Hands - 2nd Ed. available here: Algonquin College Press Hard copies and e-texts https://www.bookstore.algonquincollege.com/Item?item=9781999027308 MT Canada 6 part Webinar Series: More Than Our Hands https://www.massagetherapycanada.com/morethanourhands/ Massage Therapy for Clients with a History of Trauma: 6 part webinar series Massage Therapy Association of Manitoba https://mtam.mb.ca/78/spotlight-on-upcoming-courses About our Sponsor: About Til Luchau and Advanced-Trainings.com: As a Certified Advanced Rolfer™, Til was on the faculty of the Dr. Ida Rolf Institute® for 20 years, where he served as Coordinator and Faculty Chair of the Foundations of Rolfing Structural Integration program. The author of the Advanced Myofascial Techniques textbook series (which has been translated into 6 languages), his regular Myofascial Techniques and Somatic Edge columns have been featured in Massage & Bodywork magazine since 2009, and (along with Whitney Lowe) he co-hosts the popular Thinking Practitioner Podcast. He is the Director of Advanced-Trainings.com which since 1985 has offered short, credit-approved professional trainings and certification for manual therapists of all types, in person and online. Website: Advanced-Trainings.com Email: info@advanced-trainings.com Facebook: facebook.com/Advanced.Trainings1/ Instagram: instagram.com/tilluchau YouTube: youtube.com/user/AdvancedTrainings

Oct 11, 2022 • 39min
Ep 284 – FR:EIA with Rachelle Clauson and Gary Carter
The field of fascia research has undergone remarkable expansion and growth over the last decade. But until now, a true visualization had been a challenge. Enter FR:EIA, the world’s first 3-D human fascia plastinate. In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Kristin and Darren speak with Rachelle Clauson and Gary Carter about how FR:EIA came to be, her first public appearance in Montreal, Quebec, at the 6th International Fascia Research Congress, and how their ideas on fascia changed during this . Resources: Read about FR:EIA and the process of creating the world’s first whole-body, fascial-focused plastinate in the September/October issue of Massage & Bodywork magazine. Click the link below for more information about the Fascial Net Plastination Project (FNPP), including press releases, the Fascia Research Society, Facebook, Instagram, and more. https://linktr.ee/fnpp Rachelle serves as the Fascia Research Society’s Fascial Net Plastination Project Director of Creative and Administrative Affairs. She is a board-certified massage therapist, owner of Flourish Bodywork, and co-director of AnatomySCAPES dissection lab workshops in San Diego. For more information, visit anatomyscapes.com. Gary Carter is the Fascia Research Society’s Director of Anatomical Design on the FR:EIA project. He owns and operates Natural Bodies training center in the UK and offers myofascial anatomy courses for movement and manual therapists in the UK, Scandinavia, Europe, and Asia. For more information, visit naturalbodies.co.uk. Hosts: Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and consumer levels for 24 years. He has served as board member and president of the Western Publishing Association, as well as board member for Association Media & Publishing. Contact him at editor@abmp.com. Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com. Sponsors: Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com Elements Massage: http://www.elementsmassage.com/abmp Precision Neuromuscular Therapy: www.pnmt.org Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function. Website: anatomytrains.com Email: info@anatomytrains.com Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA Founded by a massage therapist for massage therapists, the Elements Massage® brand is a network of independently owned and operated studios dedicated to changing lives--including yours! The Elements Massage brand believes massage therapists deserve a supportive team, business and marketing resources, and the chance to learn as much as they want, so many Elements Massage studios offer and reimburse continuing education on an ongoing basis. It's no surprise Elements Massage therapist and client satisfaction leads the industry. That's because from day one, the brand has kept an unmatched commitment to deliver the best therapeutic massage experiences possible for both clients and massage therapists. Elements Massage studios expects the best. So should you. If this sounds like a fit, reach out. Studios are hiring! Website: https://elementsmassage.com/ABMP Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/elementsmassage Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elementsmassage Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXLHkAYMgmA6_MJ8DSEZm-A Disclaimer: Each Elements Massage® studio is independently owned and operated. Franchise owners (or their designated hiring managers) are solely responsible for all employment and personnel decisions and matters regarding their independently owned and operated studios, including hiring, direction, training, supervision, discipline, discharge, compensation (e.g., wage practices and tax withholding and reporting requirements), and termination of employment. Elements Therapeutic Massage, LLC (ETM) is not involved in, and is not responsible for, employment and personnel matters and decisions made by any franchise owner. All individuals hired by franchise owners’ studios are their employees, not those of ETM. Benefits vary by independently owned and operated Elements Massage® studios. Elements Massage® and Elements Massage + design are registered trademarks owned by ETM. Therapists who are drawn to Precision Neuromuscular Therapy are problem-solvers who want to learn new approaches, but also understand the “why” behind the “what”. This desire resonates with our emphasis on the problem-solving process, rather than the teaching of a singular technique or approach. Led by founder Douglas Nelson, each PNMT instructor is a busy clinician with decades of practical experience. We have taught hundreds of hands-on live seminars for more than twenty years, emphasizing precise palpation and assessment skills. PNMT online courses are another rich source of discovery and deeper understanding. Also available is a video resource library (PNMT Portal) with hundreds of videos of treatment, assessment, pathology, and practice pearls. Learn more at www.pnmt.org

Oct 7, 2022 • 15min
Ep 283 – Heart Rate Variability and Biometric Devices: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner
A client with a complex health situation wants massage to improve their heart rate variability, and they are prepared to track results with a smartwatch and a smart ring. What does this mean? Why does HRV matter? Are there downsides to biometric tracking related to massage? These questions are answered, but more are raised in this episode of I Have a Client Who . . . Sponsors: Books of Discovery: www.booksofdiscovery.com Advanced-Trainings: www.advanced-trainings.com Host Bio: Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com. Recent Articles by Ruth: “Unpacking the Long Haul,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, January/February 2022, page 35, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1439667-january-february-2022/36. “Chemotherapy-Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and Massage Therapy,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, September/October 2021, page 33, http://www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1402696-september-october-2021/34. “Pharmacology Basics for Massage Therapists,” Massage & Bodywork magazine, July/August 2021, page 32, www.massageandbodyworkdigital.com/i/1384577-july-august-2021/34. Resources: Pocket Pathology: https://www.abmp.com/abmp-pocket-pathology-app My video on HRV: Heart Rate Variability (2020). Available at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-NWz8Kbbbk (Accessed: 28 September 2022). Heart Rate Variability (HRV): What It Is and How You Can Track It (no date) Cleveland Clinic. Available at: https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/21773-heart-rate-variability-hrv (Accessed: 28 September 2022). *Privacy Not Included review: Oura Ring (no date) Mozilla Foundation. Available at: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/oura-ring/ (Accessed: 28 September 2022). Singh, N. et al. (2018) ‘Heart Rate Variability: An Old Metric with New Meaning in the Era of using mHealth Technologies for Health and Exercise Training Guidance. Part One: Physiology and Methods’, Arrhythmia & Electrophysiology Review, 7(3), pp. 193–198. Available at: https://doi.org/10.15420/aer.2018.27.2. The New York Times (2021) ‘The Oura Ring Is a $300 Sleep Tracker That Provides Tons of Data. But Is It Worth It?’, 27 July. Available at: https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/oura-ring-sleep-tracker/ (Accessed: 28 September 2022). About our Sponsor: About Til Luchau and Advanced-Trainings.com: As a Certified Advanced Rolfer™, Til was on the faculty of the Dr. Ida Rolf Institute® for 20 years, where he served as Coordinator and Faculty Chair of the Foundations of Rolfing Structural Integration program. The author of the Advanced Myofascial Techniques textbook series (which has been translated into 6 languages), his regular Myofascial Techniques and Somatic Edge columns have been featured in Massage & Bodywork magazine since 2009, and (along with Whitney Lowe) he co-hosts the popular Thinking Practitioner Podcast. He is the Director of Advanced-Trainings.com which since 1985 has offered short, credit-approved professional trainings and certification for manual therapists of all types, in person and online. Website: Advanced-Trainings.com Email: info@advanced-trainings.com Facebook: facebook.com/Advanced.Trainings1/ Instagram: instagram.com/tilluchau YouTube: youtube.com/user/AdvancedTrainings
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