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Sep 9, 2025 • 16min

Ep 526 – Self Defense for Massage Therapists: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner

Teresa Matthews is a nationally accredited massage therapy continuing education provider, a massage school owner, an athlete and personal trainer, and now… a published author. Her new book, Self Defense for Massage Therapists is now available and—in my opinion—should be considered a required topic in massage therapy beginning education. In this interview Teresa shares how this project developed, and her priorities for teaching massage therapists to be safe at all times. Resources:  Amazon Link https://www.amazon.com/Self-Defense-Massage-Therapists-Practical-Unacceptable/dp/196464433X/ref=sr_1_1?crid=39XAX4TO7ALSU&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.07_RSFDiCJH2iEEUP788kydrLxru2BrauQPS3y8KPOM.7ZJz26zVx2KmsxyawQELZ8YGoQsOtlombTZqVl23hFs&dib_tag=se&keywords=self+defense+for+massage+therapists&qid=1753384542&sprefix=Self+defense+for+massage+t%2Caps%2C200&sr=8-1   Global Book Publishing link: https://globalbookpublishing.com/self-defense-for-massage-therapists-a-practical-guide-to-prevent-unacceptable-behavior-habits-to-promote-personal-safety/     Recent article in Massage & Bodywork magazine: https://www.abmp.com/massage-and-bodywork-magazine/self-defense-massage-therapists   Teresa’s FB page: https://www.facebook.com/teresa.taglionematthews     Teresa’s IG page: https://www.instagram.com/teresamatthews10s/?hl=en   Host Bio:                    Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com.      About our Sponsors:   Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.                      Website: anatomytrains.com                        Email: info@anatomytrains.com             Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains                       Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial   YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA     
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Sep 2, 2025 • 13min

Ep 524 – The Anatomy of the Iris & Lessons from Vegas: “The Rebel MT” with Allison Denney

On a recent trip to Las Vegas and on a quest to find a good cup of coffee, I found myself staring at my own eyeball. It sent me down a rabbit hole of eyeball anatomy that I didn't even know I wanted to know. Turns out, I knew more than I thought I did. And my bet is you do too. Host Bio:         Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com      Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com            Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials at YouTube.com/RebelMassage. She is also passionate about creating products that are kind, simple, and productive for therapists to use in their practices. Her products, along with access to her blog and CE opportunities, can be found at rebelmassage.com.           About our Sponsors:   Rebel Massage Therapist: http://www.rebelmassage.com   Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com    Rebel Massage Therapist: My name is Allison. And I am not your typical massage therapist. After 20 years of experience and thousands of clients, I have learned that massage therapy is SO MUCH more than a relaxing experience at a spa. I see soft tissue as more than merely a physical element but a deeply complex, neurologically driven part of who you are. I use this knowledge to work WITH you—not ON you—to create change that works. This is the basis of my approach. As a massage therapist, I have worked in almost every capacity, including massage clinics, physical therapy clinics, chiropractor offices, spas, private practice, and teaching. I have learned incredible techniques and strategies from each of my experiences. In my 20 years as a massage therapist, I have never stopped growing. I currently have a private practice based out of Long Beach, California, where I also teach continuing education classes and occasionally work on my kids. If they’re good.   website: www.rebelmassage.com   FB: facebook.com/RebelMassage   IG: instagram.com/rebelmassagetherapist   YouTube: youtube.com/c/RebelMassage   email: rebelmassagetherapist@gmail.com   Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.                      Website: anatomytrains.com                        Email: info@anatomytrains.com             Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains                       Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial   YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA     
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Aug 29, 2025 • 18min

Ep 523 – How to Measure Rebooking Rates: “Business or Pressure” with Allissa Haines

Can you keep clients coming back? Allissa Haines works through the math to calculate rebooking rates and offers some ideas to improve your rebooking experience. Host: Allissa Haines is a practicing massage therapist and business owner. You can find her building websites and coaching massage therapists at deepbreathdigital.com. Author links:   Website: www.deepbreathdigital.com   Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/purepromassageproducts   Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/purepromassageproducts/   YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCncpFzRVwZA_V_SnylkHyMw    
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Aug 26, 2025 • 25min

Ep 522 – The Art and Science of Clinical Reasoning with Whitney Lowe

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Whitney Lowe explores a systematic, creative approach to moving beyond basic routines, while confidently solving MT’s most challenging client cases.   Host:   Whitney Lowe is a known authority in the field of massage therapy, with a 36-year career marked by clinical work, research, publications, and teaching in advanced massage principles. He specializes in treating pain and injuries using massage and is one of the pioneers of the orthopedic massage approach. Lowe's Orthopedic Massage Program stands out in its engaging and accessible design and comprehensive curriculum. Students, whether learning online or in-person, praise Lowe for his approachable style and personalized training.    Sponsors:   Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com    PMNT: www.pmnt.org   MassageBook: www.massagebook.com   Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.                      Website: anatomytrains.com                        Email: info@anatomytrains.com             Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains                       Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial   YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA    Precision Neuromuscular Therapy seminars (www.pnmt.org) have been teaching high-quality seminars for more than 20 years. Doug Nelson and the PNMT teaching staff help you to practice with the confidence and creativity that comes from deep understanding, rather than the adherence to one treatment approach or technique.   Find our seminar schedule at pnmt.org/seminar-schedule with over 60 weekends of seminars across the country.   Or meet us online in the PNMT Portal, our online gateway with access to over 500 videos, 37 NCBTMB CEs, our Discovery Series webinars, one-on-one mentoring, and much, much more! All for the low yearly cost of $167.50. Learn more at pnmt.thinkific.com/courses/pnmtportal!    Follow us on social media: @precisionnmt on Instagram or at Precision Neuromuscular Therapy Seminars on Facebook.     MassageBook is offering listeners $50 off when they sign up with coupon code ABMP50. Start your free 30-day trial today and transform your practice with tools designed to increase bookings and streamline client management.   Connect with MassageBook:   Visit their website: MassageBook   Follow MassageBook on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn      
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Aug 19, 2025 • 22min

Ep 521 – Be Strategic. Stay Professional. Keep Curious with Chris Curry

In this episode of The ABMP Podcast, Darren and Kristin speak with Chris Curry about his massage therapy origin story and the journey that inspired him to guide future therapists. Chris also opens up about his experience competing in massage therapy competitions, including what he won and what he learned. Finally, he gives listeners five practical tips to elevate their next massage session, straight from an award-winning massage therapist.   Resources:   Chris Curry is an award-winning massage therapist and instructor practicing in Denver, Colorado. He specializes in therapeutic and medical massage techniques including myofascial release, neuromuscular therapy, structural integration, and craniosacral therapy. Chris believes in a holistic approach to wellness, where massage therapy is not just a treatment, but a gateway to a balanced and healthier lifestyle. This combination of different modalities creates a truly unique and powerful massage, catered to the client’s specific needs. Chris has worked with professional sports teams and athletes. And he owns and runs his business Discover Wellness Massage. And Chris represented Team USA at the 2024 and 2025 World Championship of Massage. For more information about Chris, visit discoverwellnessmassage.com.    Hosts:   Darren Buford is senior director of communications and editor-in-chief for ABMP. He is editor of Massage & Bodywork magazine and has worked for ABMP for 22 years, and been involved in journalism at the association, trade, and consumer levels for 24 years. He has served as board member and president of the Western Publishing Association, as well as board member for Association Media & Publishing. Contact him at editor@abmp.com. Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com.   Sponsors:   Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com    PMNT: www.pmnt.org   MassageBook: www.massagebook.com
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Aug 12, 2025 • 15min

Ep 520 – Facility Policies: “I Have a Client Who . . .” Pathology Conversations with Ruth Werner

A seasoned massage therapist has just started working at a prestigious facility where client intakes are only conducted on the fly, and nothing is documented. Almost immediately, two clients present with complex situations that could be made substantially worse by thoughtless massage. What to do? In this episode we explore this complex question. I have some thoughts from the massage side of the equation, and I also turned to an industry expert, Sherrie Tennessee, PhD, to help understand this from the point of view of the businesses. I also speculate on what it would be like if I were Queen of the World, but that’s a bit beside the point.   Resources:  Sherrie Tennessee, Ph.D., CHE,  Founder, SpaSOS | Author | Educator | Industry Speaker   Website: www.spasos.com SpaSOS: Revolutionizing Your Spa with Wellness Technology https://youtu.be/Pk2T0ygfoqk?si=ZOn9tJf7c6FD44FR Author: How to Open a Wellness Center: 31-Day Guide www.amazon.com/How-Open-Wellness-Center-Workbook   Instagram: @thespasos YouTube: @spasos LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sherrie-tennessee-phd/   Host Bio:                    Ruth Werner is a former massage therapist, a writer, and an NCBTMB-approved continuing education provider. She wrote A Massage Therapist’s Guide to Pathology, now in its seventh edition, which is used in massage schools worldwide. Werner is also a long-time Massage & Bodywork columnist, most notably of the Pathology Perspectives column. Werner is also ABMP’s partner on Pocket Pathology, a web-based app and quick reference program that puts key information for nearly 200 common pathologies at your fingertips. Werner’s books are available at www.booksofdiscovery.com. And more information about her is available at www.ruthwerner.com.      About our Sponsors: Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com  PMNT: www.pmnt.org MassageBook: www.massagebook.com   Anatomy Trains is a global leader in online anatomy education and also provides in-classroom certification programs for structural integration in the US, Canada, Australia, Europe, Japan, and China, as well as fresh-tissue cadaver dissection labs and weekend courses. The work of Anatomy Trains originated with founder Tom Myers, who mapped the human body into 13 myofascial meridians in his original book, currently in its fourth edition and translated into 12 languages. The principles of Anatomy Trains are used by osteopaths, physical therapists, bodyworkers, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga, Pilates, Gyrotonics, and other body-minded manual therapists and movement professionals. Anatomy Trains inspires these practitioners to work with holistic anatomy in treating system-wide patterns to provide improved client outcomes in terms of structure and function.                      Website: anatomytrains.com                        Email: info@anatomytrains.com             Facebook: facebook.com/AnatomyTrains                       Instagram: www.instagram.com/anatomytrainsofficial   YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2g6TOEFrX4b-CigknssKHA      Precision Neuromuscular Therapy seminars (www.pnmt.org) have been teaching high-quality seminars for more than 20 years. Doug Nelson and the PNMT teaching staff help you to practice with the confidence and creativity that comes from deep understanding, rather than the adherence to one treatment approach or technique. Find our seminar schedule at pnmt.org/seminar-schedule with over 60 weekends of seminars across the country. Or meet us online in the PNMT Portal, our online gateway with access to over 500 videos, 37 NCBTMB CEs, our Discovery Series webinars, one-on-one mentoring, and much, much more! All for the low yearly cost of $167.50. Learn more at pnmt.thinkific.com/courses/pnmtportal!  Follow us on social media: @precisionnmt on Instagram or at Precision Neuromuscular Therapy Seminars on Facebook.   MassageBook is offering listeners $50 off when they sign up with coupon code ABMP50. Start your free 30-day trial today and transform your practice with tools designed to increase bookings and streamline client management.   Connect with MassageBook:   Visit their website: MassageBook   Follow MassageBook on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn  
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Aug 5, 2025 • 14min

Ep 519 – There Is No Such Thing as Correct Body Mechanics: “The Rebel MT” with Allison Denney

How exactly are we supposed to hold our bodies so that we don't hurt ourselves and have a long, healthy career? In this episode, Allison dives into the difference between "correct" and "good", tackles the 3 major components of understanding body mechanics, and contemplates what is truly at our core. Want to tap into finding your best approach? This is the episode for you!   Host Bio:           Contact Allison Denney: rebelmt@abmp.com             Allison’s website: www.rebelmassage.com                      Allison Denney is a certified massage therapist and certified YouTuber. You can find her massage tutorials at YouTube.com/RebelMassage. She is also passionate about creating products that are kind, simple, and productive for therapists to use in their practices. Her products, along with access to her blog and CE opportunities, can be found at rebelmassage.com.                             About our Sponsors:   Rebel Massage Therapist: http://www.rebelmassage.com   Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com    PMNT: www.pmnt.org   MassageBook: www.massagebook.com
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Aug 1, 2025 • 15min

Ep 518 – Baby Steps in Budget Management: “Business or Pressure” with Allissa Haines

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Jul 29, 2025 • 24min

Ep 517 – Myofascial Expansions with Rachelle Clauson and Nicole Trombley

The musculoskeletal system is at the heart of anatomy education for most massage therapists. But when we add the fascial system, how does that change the movement story? In this episode, Rachelle Clauson and Nicole Trombley discuss a lesser known part of the force transmitting system of the human body: the myofascial expansion—precise anatomical connections where skeletal muscles insert into fascia, not just bones. These fascial connections amplify muscular force and provide crucial neuromuscular coordination through nerve feedback systems. Ever misjudge stepping off a curb? That's your fascial system at work. Understanding myofascial expansions helps therapists work more effectively by looking beyond the individual muscles and considering the more expansive interconnected whole. Resources: UPCOMING COURSE: Journey into the MATRIX www.anatomyscapes.com/MATRIX for more information about “Journey Into the MATRIX: the Fascial System” dissection lab workshop.   UPCOMING COURSE: Dissection Lab Intensive ​​https://www.anatomyscapes.com/dissectionlabintensive for more information about the “Dissection Lab Intensive” lab workshop.   Check out the Anatomy for Touch column in the Massage & Bodywork magazine at https://www.abmp.com/massage-and-bodywork-magazine/anatomy   Find out more about AnatomySCAPES! Connect with us! website: www.anatomyscapes.com FB: facebook.com/AnatomySCAPES IG: instagram.com/anatomyscapes YouTube: youtube.com/@anatomyscapes email: info@anatomyscapes.com Host: AnatomySCAPES Co-Directors, Rachelle Clauson and Nicole Trombley, are NCBTMB-approved continuing education providers and teach anatomy explorations for hands-on professionals online and in person. They co-author the “Anatomy for Touch” column in Massage & Bodywork magazine and enjoy helping therapists better understand how anatomy relates to what they are feeling through their sense of touch. Nicole Trombley: As a massage educator, Nicole draws on her passion for human biology to help therapists better understand the tissues under their hands. She owns and operates Equilibrio Massage in San Diego, CA, where she has specialized in massage for pregnancy and postpartum since 2004. Rachelle Clauson: Rachelle loves teaching therapists about the structural organization and beauty of the human fascial system. She served as the Director of Creative and Administrative Affairs for the Fascial Net Plastination Project, and owns Flourish Bodywork, her private practice where she has offered hands-on bodywork in San Diego, CA, since 2003. Sponsors: Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com  PMNT: www.pmnt.org MassageBook: www.massagebook.com  
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Jul 22, 2025 • 30min

Ep 516 – What Inspires You to Help Others with Kristin Coverly

Join Kristin Coverly as she speaks with the 2024 Massage is for EveryBody award winners about what inspires them to give back to their communities, as well as their advice for how you can get started, too! Resources: ABMP Education Center: https://www.abmp.com/learn/ ABMP Massage is for EveryBody Week: https://www.abmp.com/massage-week-intro 2024 Massage is for EveryBody Winners:  https://www.abmp.com/massage-week-awards-2024 Healwell’s Massage Palliative Advanced Training for Healthcare (MPATH): https://mpath.healwell.org/  Host: Kristin Coverly, LMT is a massage therapist, educator, and the director of professional education at ABMP. She loves creating continuing education courses, events, and resources to support massage therapists and bodyworkers as they enhance their lives and practices. Contact her at ce@abmp.com. Guests: Nicole Kurth Nicole Kurth is a massage therapist who works with pediatric hospice and palliative care patients on the Pediatric Hospice Palliative Care team at By the Bay Health, a UCSF-affiliated nonprofit home health organization. By the Bay Health: https://bythebayhealth.org/pediatrics-care-health-professionals/  Singeli Zaparaniuk Singeli Zaparaniuk is a massage therapist who works with suicide loss survivors. Elevate Healing Arts: https://www.elehealing.com/ Dannie Horton Dannie Horton is the co-founder of the Cleveland Embodiment Collective, a worker-owned collective of massage therapists that offers cost-free and sliding-scale sessions. Cleveland Embodiment Collective: https://www.clevelandembodiment.org/   Julia Semple Julia Semple is a practitioner who, for the 2024 Massage is for EveryBody Week event, held a contest to introduce massage to community members with limited access. Therapeutic Massage of Northern Colorado:  https://www.therapeuticmassageofnoco.com/   Sponsors:   Anatomy Trains: www.anatomytrains.com    PMNT: www.pmnt.org   MassageBook: www.massagebook.com  

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