

The DownLink Podcast
The Defense & Aerospace Report
From the Defense & Aerospace Report... This is The DownLink Podcast, hosted by Laura Winter. From the intersection of space, business, and defense... Not just what's over the horizon, but what's happening above it.
The DownLink Podcast is 2023 and 2024 Defense Media Award-winner.
The DownLink Podcast is 2023 and 2024 Defense Media Award-winner.
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Jul 28, 2023 • 38min
China: More Weird Reports of "Disappearances And Departures"
China: More Weird Reports of Disappearances And Departures
Weird reports of “disappearances and departures” from China’s People’s Liberation Army’s Rocket Forces, Venezuela signs up to the China-led Moon station, and more out China on space and defense in this week’s episode. Laura Winter speaks with Chris Stone, Senior Fellow for Space Deterrence-National Institute for Deterrence Studies and author of the book “Reversing the Tao: A Framework for Credible Space Deterrence”; and Brendan Mulvaney, Director of the Air University’s China Aerospace Studies Institute.

Jul 21, 2023 • 54min
Space Force: “Begin With A Clean Sheet Of Paper” - Part 2
Space Force: “Begin With A Clean Sheet Of Paper” - Part 2
The U.S. Space Force asked the Rand Corporation to come up with a new officer workforce framework, “conceived independently of the existing [U.S. Air Force] structure.” This episode is the second in a two-part series examining the Rand Corporation’s novel proposal, which aims to balance space mission requirements and the careers of officers. It is highly recommended to first listen to Part 1, which posted last month.
In this episode Laura Winter continues the conversation with two of the proposal’s authors, Larry Hanser, a senior behavioral scientist, and Jennifer Li, a senior management Scientist, both from the Rand Corporation; and Chris Stone, Senior Fellow for Space Deterrence at the National Institute for Deterrence Studies; and Brent Ziarnick, an associate professor of Space Power at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies.

Jul 15, 2023 • 59min
Kimberly Crider: Cyber, Data, Defense, and Space
Kimberly Crider: Cyber, Data, Defense, and Space
This week’s episode serves up an in-depth interview with Maj. Gen. (ret.) Kimberly Crider, who was the first Chief Technology and Innovation Officer for the United States Space Force and is now a founding partner of a new space business, Elara Nova. Laura Winter also speaks with Jim Townsend, former U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for European and NATO Policy, and President of the Atlantic Treaty Association, who was in Vilnius, Lithuania this week for the 2023 NATO Summit.

Jul 7, 2023 • 47min
Welcome To The Second Half Of 2023!
Welcome To The Second Half Of 2023!
It is time to take a look back at the first six months to see how the space market, space capital, and the space economy have fared. This episode also ferrets out the top space finance events from Q1 and Q2 that are shaping spending, investment, and business strategies for the next two quarters and beyond. Laura Winter speaks with Chris Quilty, founder of Quilty Space; and George Pullen, Chief Economist at Milky Way Economy.
If you want to listen to what George and Chris said at the beginning of the year, check out The DownLink’s January 8, 2023 episode “Four Space & Finance Experts: What You Need to Know for a “Weird” 2023” here: https://defaeroreport.com/2023/01/08/the-downlink-jan-09-23-four-space-finance-experts-what-you-need-to-know-for-a-weird-2023/.

Jun 24, 2023 • 49min
The Modi State Visit: U.S and Indian Interests In Space and Defense Converge… Big Time!
The Modi State Visit: U.S and Indian Interests In Space and Defense Converge… Big Time!
Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s state visit to the United States has produced a more dependable and powerful partnership not only in the Indo-Pacific region, but in space and defense. Laura Winter digs into the commercial, defense, and geopolitical details with Namrata Goswami, an independent scholar on space policy and great power politics and co-author of the book "Scramble for the Skies"; Ajey Lele, a Consultant at the Manohar Parrikar Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses; U.S. Amb. (ret.) Atul Keshap, President of the United States India Business Council, U.S. Chamber of Commerce; and Kranthi Musunuru, Head of Strategy, Dhruva Space.

Jun 17, 2023 • 49min
Space Force: “Begin With A Clean Sheet Of Paper” - Part 1
Officer Workforce Plan - The Space Force Told Them, “Begin With A Clean Sheet Of Paper”
The U.S. Space Force asked the Rand Corporation to come up with a new officer workforce framework, “conceived independently of the existing [U.S. Air Force] structure.” This novel proposal, which aims to balance space mission requirements and the careers of officers, has been delivered. Laura Winter speaks with two of the Rand Corporation authors, Larry Hanser, a senior behavioral scientist, and Jennifer Li, a senior management Scientist; and Chris Stone, Senior Fellow for Space Deterrence-National Institute for Deterrence Studies; and Brent Ziarnick, an associate professor of space power at the Air Command and Staff College.

Jun 10, 2023 • 32min
Space Systems Command Wants More Face Time
Space Systems Command Wants More Face Time
U.S. Space Force Space Systems Command, looking for faster ways to tap into and acquire developmental technologies coming from new space market entrants, is looking to break down barriers from inside a Virginia office park. Laura Winter speaks with U.S. Space Force Col. Rich Kniseley, Senior Materiel Leader and head of the Space Systems Command Commercial Space Office; and Salvatore Pascale, Lead Project Manager with Virginia Tech Research Corporation.

Jun 3, 2023 • 34min
The U.S.-China Moon Race Heats Up
The U.S.-China Moon Race Heats Up
This week China announced that it intends to put taikonauts on the moon no later than 2030, the U.S. Department of State released a new diplomatic strategy for space, and Spain signed the U.S.-led Artemis Accords. To unwrap this week’s events and provide a primer for what is at stake some 385,000 kilometers away on the lunar surface, Laura Winter speaks with Namrata Goswami, an independent scholar on space policy and great power politics and co-author of the book “Scramble for the Skies”; and from the Aerospace Corporation Senior Vice President of the Civil Systems Group Jim Myers, and Tech Fellow Sam Visner, who is also the Vice Chair of the Board of Directors of the Space Information Sharing and Analysis Center.

May 26, 2023 • 39min
Cyber & Space: Microsoft Says There’s a Chinese Typhoon in Guam
This week Microsoft reported that the Chinese hacking group penetrated Guam’s telecommunications systems. Because of the U.S. territory’s location and military bases, telecommunications there means a mix of platforms that includes space. Laura Winter speaks with Chris Stone, Senior Fellow for Space Deterrence-National Institute for Deterrence Studies and author of the book “Reversing the Tao: A Framework for Credible Space Deterrence”; and Brendan Mulvaney, Director of the Air University’s China Aerospace Studies Institute.

May 20, 2023 • 51min
DIU’s “Bucky” Butow, Space Innovation, and the Industrial Base
DIU’s “Bucky” Butow, Space Innovation, and the Industrial Base
This week’s is the third episode in a month-long series looking at various, cross-cutting aspects of the state of the space industrial base. Laura Winter speaks with the Defense Innovation Unit’s Director of the Space Portfolio Steve “Bucky” Butow, who is intimately involved in growing the Space Industrial Base through government contracts and informing policy. In uniform he is Brig. Gen. Butow, Commander of the California Air National Guard where he leads 4,900 Airmen assigned to five wings and a headquarters staff.