
Ecosystemic Futures
Ecosystemic Futures engages with the world’s elite thought leaders who are researching and leading meaningful development in areas that could impact society in the next half century.
Provided by Shoshin Works in collaboration with NASA Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project - Ecosystemic Futures explores technological advances and structural patterns that will help us better innovate, operate, and navigate in our increasingly connected world.
Join the conversation as NASA leaders, and industry and policy luminaries share their perspectives with host Dyan Finkhousen, a leading strategist and global authority on ecosystemic solutions, and brilliant co-hosts.
Latest episodes

Aug 29, 2023 • 25min
29: Isaac Arthur Part 2: Space Futures
As we race to space, are we orchestrating with a new paradigm for what's possible - with a mindset for abundance or scarcity? With a bias for collaboration, competition, or conflict? The space economy offers a unique, generational opportunity to design an incredible array of exploration and development for the betterment of society and industry. The choices we make here will define the next chapter for the future of humanity. In this episode of The Ecosystemic Futures Podcast, we connect again with Isaac Arthur, President, National Space Society, futurist and host of the popular YouTube channel ‘Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur’, to continue our conversation about the rapidly evolving frontiers in space. With a fascinating perspective on innovation and planning, this episode will challenge your thinking about our place in the universe, and the futures it may unlock. Join us for another great discussion from the Ecosystemic Futures community. The Ecosystemic Futures Podcast is provided by Shoshin Works in collaboration with NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project - connecting with the world’s brilliant minds with wicked opportunities to help us better innovate, operate, and navigate in our increasingly connected world. Guest: Isaac Arthur, President of the National Space Society, futurist and host of the popular YouTube channel ‘Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur’ Co-hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center and NASA - National Aeronautics and Space Administration Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures

Aug 22, 2023 • 24min
28: Isaac Arthur Part 1: Space: The New Frontier
The world's brightest minds have been unlocking the mystery and magnificence of space for decades - and with new technologies now being developed at warp speed, space is now taking on a larger and more practical role in the future of industry, society, policy - and for humanity. Humanity has always looked to the skies for inspiration, adventure, and opportunity. Knowing what we do of what the universe has to offer, and knowing that we’ve only begun to understand the vast complexities of space - we look to the experts to help us understand what wicked problems space might help resolve. Isaac Arthur, host of the popular youtube channel ‘Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur’, sits down with our hosts in this episode of The Ecosystemic Futures Podcast to discuss life beyond our planet and the potential role that space exploration could play in safeguarding our future. Guest: Isaac Arthur, President, National Space Society, futurist and host of the popular youtube channel ‘Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur’ Co-hosts: Vikram Shyam, Lead Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works Series Host: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures

Aug 15, 2023 • 28min
27: Steve Hatfield Part 3: Ecosystemic Resilience at Work
To conclude this series on the future of work, this episode of The Ecosystemic Futures Podcast explores exciting options to design workforce ecosystems for resilient futures - enabling organizations and teams to maintain pace with rapidly advancing technologies, markets, and models. Steve Hatfield, Global Future of Work Leader at Deloitte joins us to discuss the practical decisions and actions that organizations can enact today to improve work, worker and workforce outcomes and experiences. Steve and our hosts discuss the profound opportunities that are possible in the convergence of technological advancement, human-centered ecosystemic design, and thoughtful change management. Guest: Steve Hatfield, Global Future of Work Leader, Deloitte Co-hosts: David Wagner, PhD, Computer Research Engineer, Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project, NASA Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures Series Host: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures

Aug 15, 2023 • 26min
26: Steve Hatfield Part 2: Flexibility: The Key to Successful Work Futures?
Our first episode in this series on the future of work outlined challenges as we move to a more digitally-enabled human experience. Organizations and teams are grappling with new technologies, business models, dynamic market landscapes, reskilling requirements, and mindset shifts. In this episode of The Ecosystemic Futures Podcast we connect with Steve Hatfield, Global Future of Work Leader at Deloitte to continue the fascinating discussion about the shifting landscape in work and workforce design - and in this episode we explore potential future state scenarios for work, worker and workforce design. Guest: Steve Hatfield, Global Future of Work Leader, Deloitte Co-hosts: David Wagner, PhD, Computer Research Engineer, Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project, NASA Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures Series Host: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures

Aug 15, 2023 • 25min
25: Steve Hatfield Part 1: The Shock Behind the Shift - Workforce Ecosystems
The landscape for work, the workforce, and for workers - has been evolving for a very long time. The degree to which markets are interconnected and interdependent however, has never been greater. Emerging technologies unlock both promise and challenge for organizations and their teams. On this episode of Ecosystemic Futures, our hosts sit down with Steve Hatfield, Global Future of Work Leader at Deloitte to discuss this dynamic landscape, the challenges faced by leaders responsible for work and workforce design - and the importance of the skills-based strategies for workforce ecosystems. In this episode, Steve shares his perspective regarding the constraints within the current frameworks for work that could prevent us from leveraging the full promise of the Future of Work. Guest: Steve Hatfield, Global Future of Work Leader, Deloitte Co-hosts: David Wagner, PhD, Computer Research Engineer, Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project, NASA Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures Series Host: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures

Aug 8, 2023 • 22min
24: Pascal Finette Part 3: Becoming AI Resilient
Have your AI talk to my AI. In a world where generative AI is transforming the way things get done - the first step is to simply begin learning about and experimenting with the capabilities in order to build up your own muscle memory. To conclude this series on generative AI, our hosts connect with Pascal Finette, co-founder of Be Radical, to explore the practical actions we all can take to thrive within a world with increasingly pervasive generative AI. The conversation explores the practical adjustments to mindsets and methodologies that enable us to take advantage of these new capabilities in a responsible manner, to achieve great outcomes. Guest: Pascal Finette, Cofounder at Be Radical Co-hosts: James Villarrubia, White House Presidential Innovation Fellow & Digital Strategist for CAS, NASA Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures Series Host: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures

Aug 8, 2023 • 22min
23: Pascal Finette Part 2: What AI Can’t Do, And What It Means for our Future
Can you spell 'mayonnaise'? Apparently AI cannot. Now, how much do you trust AI to operate your car with your children inside? To help get the next lander to the moon? We know AI can hallucinate. But can it dream? It can retrieve. But can it innovate beyond the boundaries of recombination and human imagination? In this episode of The Ecosystemic Futures Podcast, our hosts connect with Pascal Finette, Founder of Be Radical, to continue the conversation about generative AI - what it can and can’t do. With the speed at which these technologies are being applied within the complex systems around us, are we accelerating beneficial outcomes, or amplifying risk? Understanding the inherent limitations and practical capabilities of these technologies is essential to more effectively safeguard our ecosystemic futures. Join us as we delve into the unimpossible futures generative AI can unlock, and how we discern better pathways with these smart agents at our side. Guest: Pascal Finette, Cofounder at Be Radical Co-hosts: James Villarrubia, White House Presidential Innovation Fellow & Digital Strategist for CAS, NASA Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures Series Host: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures

Aug 8, 2023 • 23min
22: Pascal Finette Part 1: Will Artificial Intelligence Outthink Us?
Generative AI is everywhere, and societies worldwide are grappling with what it is, what it's becoming, and what that means for humanity. In this episode of Ecosystemic Futures, our hosts connect with Pascal Finette, Co-founder of Be Radical, to discuss this shift, and the many options to leverage emerging technological capabilities like generative AI, large language models and more as our 'trusted co-pilots' in work and life. Can we trust them though? With disruptive technologies like generative AI reaching a pivotal moment where they now touch the lives, workstreams and social feeds of many who may not yet understand the implications of that interface - the potential for unintended or harmful outcomes can accelerate dramatically. On the side of positive outcomes - research and learning functions that may have taken hours or days in the past, pouring over vast amounts of structured and unstructured data - can now be synthesized by technology in minutes, enabling the human co-pilots to spend more time with strategic and creative work. Accelerating innovation and solution pathways. The difference? Ecosystemic resilience. Designing for resilience, adaptability, and beneficial outcomes within and across complex, interconnected systems in society, industry, and policy. And maintaining a position of constant sensing, sensemaking, discernment, and thoughtful action in these complex, dynamic environments. Join us for another great discussion from the Ecosystemic Futures community. Guest: Pascal Finette, Cofounder at Be Radical Co-hosts: James Villarrubia, White House Presidential Innovation Fellow & Digital Strategist for CAS, NASA Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures Series Host: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures

Aug 1, 2023 • 29min
21: Brian Evergreen Part 3: Ecosystemic Resilience - From Problem Solving to Future Solving
To conclude this series on artificial intelligence and organizational design, this episode of The Ecosystemic Futures Podcast focuses on pathways to resilience with effective ecosystemic design. Brian Evergreen, C-suite advisor and author of the new book Autonomous Transformation: Creating a More Human Future in the Era of Artificial Intelligence, engages with our hosts to explore the natural tension between managing within the context of accelerated change, and a thoughtful approach to designing for ecosystemic resilience. Guest: Brian Evergreen, Senior Fellow, C-Suite Advisor, Author of Autonomous Transformation Co-hosts: Ed Powell, CEO, TensorX James Villarrubia, White House Presidential Innovation Fellow & Digital Strategist for CAS, NASA Series Host: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures

Aug 1, 2023 • 21min
20: Brian Evergreen Part 2: AI-enabled Futures - Evaluating Innovation Failure & Opportunity Cost
Our first episode in this series on artificial intelligence and the role it can play in transforming organizational structure explored the pitfalls of embracing technology while ignoring fundamental flaws in organizational design. In this episode of The Ecosystemic Futures Podcast, our hosts connect with Brian Evergreen, C-suite advisor and author to continue the conversation. In this episode our hosts and guest explore AI futures, and the implications of innovation failure in the context of rapid technology adoption including how to measure success, evaluate opportunity cost and drive transformation instead of reformation. Guest: Brian Evergreen, Senior Fellow, C-Suite Advisor, Author of Autonomous Transformation Co-hosts: Ed Powell, CEO, TensorX James Villarrubia, White House Presidential Innovation Fellow & Digital Strategist for CAS, NASA Series Host: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works and Ecosystemic Futures