
Ecosystemic Futures
Ecosystemic Futures engages with the world’s elite thought leaders who are researching and leading meaningful development in areas that could impact society in the next half century.
Provided by Shoshin Works in collaboration with NASA Convergent Aeronautics Solutions Project - Ecosystemic Futures explores technological advances and structural patterns that will help us better innovate, operate, and navigate in our increasingly connected world.
Join the conversation as NASA leaders, and industry and policy luminaries share their perspectives with host Dyan Finkhousen, a leading strategist and global authority on ecosystemic solutions, and brilliant co-hosts.
Latest episodes

Mar 21, 2023 • 43min
4. Avoiding Ethical Nightmares
The emergence and convergence of technologies are unlocking tremendous value, and risk. As the digital thread connecting workflows, industries and economies increases - so does the potential for ecosystemic risk. On today’s Ecosystemic Futures podcast, hosts Dyan Finkhousen and James Villarrubia sit down with Reid Blackman, founder and CEO of Virtue, an AI ethical risk consultancy, to discuss the implications of ethics within today's complex technological frameworks and the business-critical nature of ecosystemic risk management. Guest: Reid Blackman, founder and CEO of Virtue and host of the podcast Ethical Machines and author of Ethical Machines: Your Concise Guide to Totally Unbiased, Transparent, and Respectful AI from Harvard Review Business Press. Co-hosts: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works James Villarrubia, White House Presidential Innovation Fellow & Digital Strategist for CAS, NASA

Mar 14, 2023 • 40min
3: The Role & Opportunity of Value Based Optimization
In a world where policy makers and business leaders focus on achieving single objectives - for some, that means saving lives; for others, achieving carbon neutrality; for others, creating a more equitable society. The reality is, the narrative that focuses on the single noble outcome obscures the more important and nuanced reality - that there are no single-variable solutions, only trade-offs. Every decision requires evaluating many contingencies - and having a robust, rigorous, and Ecosystemic approach to optimizing complex systems is becoming increasingly important. Considering the components in decision-making models, and valuing the trade-offs between various cost and performance metrics is critical to optimizing complex systems. And openly communicating the trade-off decisions and rationale is essential to establish trust and transparency in the ecosystem impacted by those decisions. In this podcast episode, our hosts Marco Annunziata and James Villarubia sit down with Dr. Ed Powell to discuss the role and opportunity of value-driven model-based optimization, understanding the trade off between price and performance, looking at key performance indicators through a more systemic lens and how this approach can contribute to designing better Ecosystemic Futures. Show Highlights: “It’s all economics… it’s a question of the currency.” -G. Edward Powell “Seeing that everything is a tradeoff and what are the compromises…” -G. Edward Powell Guest: G. Edward Powell, PhD, CEO, TensorX, Inc on Twitter at @edpowell63 Co-hosts: Marco Annunziata, Co-Founder, Annunziata + Desai Partners on Twitter at @marcoannunziata James Villarubia, White House Presidential Innovation Fellow & Digital Strategist for CAS, NASA on Twitter at @james_mtc #ecosystemicfutures

Mar 1, 2023 • 49min
2: State of the World: Macro-economic Trends
As we exit a period of high inflation, what does the economic framework look like moving forward? On today’s episode of the Ecosystemic Futures podcast, our hosts sit down with world-renowned economist Marco Annunziata, to discuss the financial impact of inflation, the factors influencing which direction it will take and the broader role that innovation plays in ecosystemic growth and health. The stage is set for discussions on supply chain, sustainability and global warming, while considering the impact of governance and public policy, along with the role and risks associated with each. Guest: Marco Annunziata, Co-Founder, Annunziata + Desai Partners Co-hosts: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works Vikram Shyam, Futurist, NASA Glenn Research Center Tom Cooke, Founder & CEO, Spacely G. Edward Powell, PhD, CEO, TensorX, Inc #ecosystemicfutures

Mar 1, 2023 • 37min
1: Introducing Ecosystemic Futures
The Future Belongs to Ecosystems. We’re living in an era of unprecedented change - driven by advancements in science, technology, business models - and consistently reshaped by policy and geopolitical dynamics. The level of interconnectivity in society and our economy necessitates a new way - an ecosystemic way - of looking at our world, and our role in it. In this inaugural episode, the Ecosystemic Futures podcast hosts sit down to discuss how the hyper-connected nature of our ecosystems are shaping the future, the implications for business innovation, operation and navigation. Co-hosts: Dyan Finkhousen, Founder & CEO, Shoshin Works Marco Annunziata, Co-Founder, Annunziata + Desai Partners Tom Cooke, Founder & CEO, Spacely G. Edward Powell, PhD, CEO, TensorX, Inc #ecosystemicfutures