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Frazer Rice
Covering the issues that affect business, entrepreneurship, wealth, trusteeship and culture.
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Oct 3, 2024 • 33min
ALL THE PRESIDENTS’ MONEY
How have our Presidents' money stories affected their lives and trajectories before, during, and after their terms? Have the Presidents' finances affected policy? What stories do they teach the rest of us?
https://www.amazon.com/All-Presidents-Money-Governed-America-ebook/dp/B0D3T7TGMZ/
Megan Gorman's Presidents' Relationship with Money
As we head into election season, MEGAN GORMAN has released a terrific book on US Presidents and their personal finances. She is a tax attorney and wealth manager – takes readers on a rollicking ride, full of history and personal finance lessons, to understand the intimate money stories of our most famous presidents in her highly anticipated new book, ALL THE PRESIDENTS’ MONEY: How the Men who Governed America Governed Their Money
Megan Gorman's "All The Presidents' Money"
Megan has spent her career advising some of the wealthy. She parlayed her interest in history and politics with her career expertise to analyze our Presidents relationship with money. The stories of our Presidents' personal finances not only give insight into their leadership style, but they teach lessons for the rest of us as well.
What inspired you to write about the US presidents' relationship with money?
Since I was six, I’ve always been obsessed with learning about the presidents. There’s an archetype that I was drawn to: a man from an ordinary background that through hard work and luck makes his way to the top. We have many presidential examples in our history: Lincoln, Eisenhower, Grant, Johnson, Truman, Ford, Reagan, and on. Could this same story happen now? Maybe, but it’s not as easy as it was before.
How did you approach researching the book, since financial details are often private?
I usually started by reading a book on the president and looking for little items – education, jobs, homes – and then ferreting out primary source documents. But the most useful items are the letters. Letters were where a lot of financial discussions occurred, from Jefferson and his financial challenges to Harry Truman lamenting to his future wife about whether he will ever find financial success. The presidential libraries and museums’ archives were also unbelievable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvMoUuruCzU
Did you notice any common themes or patterns in the presidents' financial behaviors and decision-making?
A lot of bad financial decision making occurs when emotion controls the situation. For example, President George Washington asked James Monroe to go to France. Monroe agreed even though he had a substantial plantation at home that needed significant management. Monroe got to France and realized that to succeed, he needs gravitas. In 1790s France, that means having the right home to entertain in. So he went out and bought a house for the US with his own money – doesn’t ask permission and doesn’t think about the obligations back home. His salary doesn’t cover half of what he is spending. When Monroe’s appointment is over, he sells the house at a loss. Money is emotion – and managing it is very hard for all of us.
You write in All The Presidents' Money that "wealth happens at the intersection of opportunity and discipline." What do you mean?
We talk a lot about financial literacy and having strong financial skills. But the truth is you could be the greatest budgeter in the world, but if you have no money coming in, it’s a moot point. Budgeting, risk tolerance, connecting with your future self – all of those things are the framework of finance – but you need your shot at wealth building, to put it in Hamilton parlance. You need to have the ability to make a living. If you have that, and you use financial literacy, you can build financial resilience. Sounds easy, but in the current stage we are in the US, it’s gotten a lot harder.
Several presidents had a strong aversion to debt. Do you think this is a valuable mindset for financial success?
I completely agree with them. Debt isn’t something you want to have. It needs to be seen as a tool to get you to the next level with a focus on paying it off. Jerry Ford is always an interesting person when it comes to this. In her Oral Histories at the presidential library, his daughter Susan discusses how she would try to convince her dad that having a mortgage wasn’t that bad a thing – after all you got a tax deduction for it. Ford wouldn’t hear of it. He just abhorred debt. Working with wealthy individuals, most of them enjoy the day their mortgages are paid off. It’s a feeling of safety and security.
Thomas Jefferson struggled mightily with debt. What lessons can we learn from his financial missteps?
One of the things I’ve learned through working with very successful people is that often the skills or personality traits that allow them to be successful can at times be a negative. Jefferson is like that. He’s a magical thinker. On one hand, he can draft huge philosophical ideas and make them understandable. Yet when we look at his financial ledgers, he’s avoidant and unable to be practical. Being good with money requires being grounded and having the ability to say no. He’s just unwilling to do it – even when it is too late and is about to lose everything.
What can we learn from Jefferson? The need to connect with your future self. What does your financial like look like 10-20-30 years from now? Are you living debt free? Are you able to travel and live comfortably in retirement? How much money do you want to have saved? When you have these visualizations, then you can start to put the discipline around your finances in terms of savings and budgeting.
What role does marriage play in the financial lives of presidents?
A big one! Who you marry has a huge impact on your financial success in life. A lot of our most successful presidents married up financially, starting with Washington. Building strong finances is a team sport. If partners aren’t aligned, they might be working against each other. Warren Harding wasn’t a great president, but he was a great businessman. He and his wife Florence owned a newspaper. Florence ran the paper’s finances. Harding was better at editorial and advertising. Their skills were complementary, and as they built up the paper, they built up their wealth. If he had married a less financially savvy wife, he may not have been as successful.
What is the key to effective communication about money in relationships, and which presidents did it best?
In All The Presidents' Money, the key to effective communication about money in relationships is to make it a constant topic of conversation in a constructive manner. Whenever you read a letter between the Adams, they address each other “My Dearest Friend” – a rather romantic and loving way to start a letter. The tone allows the conversation to be friendly and constructive – rather than critical and dismissive – even when it’s about money.
Grant's trust in the wrong business partners cost him dearly. What advice would you give about how to vet financial relationships?
What made Grant great was a challenge when it came to managing money. He’s a little too trusting and takes people at their word. He’s like Bill Clinton in that sense. If anything, Grant should tap into the skills of another General President. Eisenhower was very good at looking at a situation and assessing risk. He learned from playing poker. Risk assessment allows you to consider different outcomes. The key is to ask a lot of questions. What happens if things go wrong? Is there a contingency plan? How to you protect your investment?
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The Obamas had significant student loan debt well into their 40s. Is college education still worth the cost?
Maybe, but Americans need to be more strategic about education costs. When you look at Barack Obama, he wracked up a lot of the debt attending Harvard Law. He had a full ride to Northwestern. But Obama wanted to be president and he knew Harvard was a good way to go. Same thing with Bill Clinton – he had high aspirations, so taking loans to go to Yale Law was strategic.
But the cost of education has gotten so high that what’s really important is getting a degree at the lowest cost possible. Unless you have the finances to pay all cash for college, it is important to think about career path and if strategies like two years of community college followed by a transfer to college will result in less debt.
What was the most surprising thing you learned about the presidents' financial lives while writing All The Presidents' Money?
They all worried about money – a lot! There are letters from different presidents over the course of their life where they question if they are doing the right thing with money. Harry Truman wrote his future wife in 1917 after losing a lot of money in the oil business, “I seem to have a grand and admirable ability for calling tails when heads come up. My luck should surely change. Sometime I should win.”
Then you have LBJ writing a friend about worrying about money – yet in the next breath he’s talking about buying an expensive suit. Clothing budget actually factors heavily. Martin Van Buren grew up poor but he adopted a fancy dress as a way to climb socio-economically. Coolidge was also always dressed to the nines which sticks out because he was so frugal.
In many ways, their money struggles humanize them. I found that many of the presidents I didn’t like politically, I enjoyed personally. That was one of the best parts, being nonpolitical.
Speaking of their finances, who is your favorite presidential role model in All The Presidents' Money?
George Washington was unbelievable with money. He’s very ambitious and not afraid to do the hard work to earn it. But he’s also a great budgeter. He had to be. Upon his father’s death, everything went to his brother Lawrence. There wasn’t money for George to go to college.

Sep 12, 2024 • 34min
LOPER BRIGHT CASE
With the Supreme Court's recent ruling in the Loper Bright Case, courts no longer have to defer to agency interpretations of ambiguous laws. This is a massive change in the way administrative law is practiced at the federal level. The Loper Bright Case touches almost every area regulated by the Untied States government.

Aug 19, 2024 • 28min
AI and HUMAN RESOURCES
Artificial intelligence is a charged term- one that has been around, but has taken on new meaning in the last couple of years. As the first crossovers of AI and HUMAN RESOURCES emerge, many issues are coming out. People are both excited and afraid of its implications.
Employees and their managers are afraid of cultural and measurement shifts (and career arcs in general).
Executives are worried about missing out on ways to increase the top and bottom line.
Boards are concerned about threats to corporate strategy and new and unseen risks that could put the company (and them) on the front page of the Wall Street Journal
However, the news isn't all scary and the world is not becoming Skynet yet!
SUSAN YOUNGBLOOD is an expert on the intersection of AI and Human Resources.
Equipped with broad executive experience and board expertise, she is the ideal person to help us get our arms around the AI/HR intersection at the employee, manager, executive and board level. I spoke with her on the conundrum that decision-makers face as technology and people collide.
SUSAN is a technology CHRO who has launched, acquired, and transformed companies at Fortune 50 and FTSE 100 companies such as IBM, BNY Mellon (BK), and London Stock Exchange Group (LSEG.L) as well as a tech startup,
As a leader in the HR field, Susan enabled high growth and faster time to market by navigating teams through the human capital agenda at critical inflection points:
New company launches,
Rapid scaling,
M&A,
Global expansion,
Digital transformation, and
Large-scale cost reduction.
Having dealt with company strategic issues, Susan has also managed global crises and assisted companies in mitigating extensive risks.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/092y3urUEfDav5JTaraAbI?si=2a6c0eb7905747c2
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Susan's Background
AI and Human Resources
How are companies are leveraging AI today?
When implementing AI, what are some of the risks companies take?
What are some big mistakes companies have made with AI ?
Proper governance: what should it look like within businesses?
How are boards responding to the AI and Human Resources implications?
Are the scary things about AI for workers?
What are the implications for various types of workers:
The General Workforce
Managers
Middle Managers
Executives
With all of this worry, are there opportunities for the workforce?
How do you prepare your workforce to embrace AI?
https://youtu.be/HmdN8jL7iOY?si=ALUnFs0lbo0cV38x
How do we find Susan?
SUSAN YOUNGBLOOD LINKEDIN
Additional Background on Susan
Susan serves on the Board of Directors for Cornell University’s ILR school, is onthe Advisory Council for SUNY College of Optometry, and she is an angel investor. Sheholds a bachelor’s degree in psychology from Vassar College and a Master ofIndustrial and Labor Relations (MILR) degree from Cornell University, where shewas also the assistant coach of the women’s tennis team.
https://www.amazon.com/Wealth-Actually-Intelligent-Decision-Making-1-ebook/dp/B07FPQJJQT/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

Aug 9, 2024 • 30min
EMPOWERED ENTITLEMENT
"Empowered Entitlement" with Christian Broyhill

Jul 31, 2024 • 35min
FAMILY OFFICE RECRUITING
"Family Office" recruiting is one of the most difficult subsets of wealth management.
Loaded with mystery and allure, many wealthy families want to "have" a family office. It's a different story when the family has to determine the ROI of the project, lay out the costs and, ultimately, staff one. This is actual work.
Family offices are expensive and require deep strategic thought and long term purpose and budgeting by the family.
As we will learn here, family offices call for the identification, acquisition, and support of talent that is not readily available. This new talent can also be risky.
A new structure with new people subjects large amounts of personal wealth to the domain of outsiders and public risk. Failure is often embarrassing (and expensive).
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5IBc5iTzMNHHSoQqp8Ufhe?si=PUFi51DIR361WrnlEoJyRQ
I went to a source with a unique viewpoint.
BRIAN C. ADAMS is a Principal at Mack International, a leading executivesearch, and human capital consulting firm that serves the familyoffice/wealth management markets.
Along with his background in family office, Brian has co-founded two real estate private equity firms, Excelsior Capital and Priam Properties, and has assembled a portfolio of over $600 million in real estate assets.
Brian's Background and Unique Path into Family Office Recruiting
The Nuts and Bolts
SUCCESSION PLANNING AND NEXT GENERATION DEVELOPMENT
TALENT IDENTIFICATION AND ACQUISITION/ STRATEGIES FOR RETAINING KEY TALENT
COMPETITIVE COMPENSATION
PACKAGES AND HOLISTIC COMPENSATION APPROACHES
GLOBAL TRENDS THAT IMPACT THE FUTURE OF FAMILY ENTERPRISES
How "fully formed" is the vision for the office by the time they begin actually recruiting?
Is this coming from the lawyer?
The tax professional?
The banker?
Or from family office consultants?
What is the ROI on a family office?
Should it be a profit center?
A "break-even" cost of doing business?
A loss-leading accomodation?
Is the family driving the search or a consultant?
Do they often hire a CEO and they run the lower level searches?
How do you get a family to think about a family office's linkage with (or separation from) a family business?
Should it be funded out of liquidity or operating cash?
Complications with Family Office Recruiting
What happens if the job mandate doesn't feel right? How much are you dealing with the family and how much is it the consultant? Are the structures already built?
Eddie Marshall's 3 x 3 rule "problem" for Family Offices: 3 years / Over 3M and you still don't know what you have? LEARN MORE HERE
What are the real costs?
Do families understand the expense?
Who is developing the budget?
Threading a needle-
Identifying the talent and skills
Cultural Fit
Compensation terms - Salary vs Upside
The accounting spine VS "the guy to analyze deals" VS a large, full service situation
What happens if the fit is bad after 6 months?
Searches for new (de novo) family offices
Turnover due to retirement vs, turnover due to cultural problems
Searches for executives vs. technicians
Do searches for positions ever include family members to engender competition
Private or Public Company Board experience - is a lack of it a red flag?
Technology building and security experience
Any major best practices (or worst) for families exploring which functions to internalize and which to outsource?
Family offices and the trends toward outsourcing and MFO's
How does one deal with "scope creep"?
What if the family gets sick of the expense?
Do you look for other families to use services and share in the expense?
https://youtu.be/O3qFi0YhuFI?si=nu5iQJ_Hnuno0zjX
How To Find Brian Adams
BRIAN ADAMS LINKEDIN
BRIAN ADAMS MACK INTERNATIONAL
https://www.amazon.com/Wealth-Actually-Intelligent-Decision-Making-1-ebook/dp/B07FPQJJQT/

Jun 27, 2024 • 35min
PROPUBLICA
PROPUBLICA has taken on the role abdicated by most mainstream news organizations. Its long form journalism, while controversial, takes on many special interests that escape public scrutiny.
While I often don't agree with the slant that they take, ProPublica represents a new frontier for the fourth column.
Traditional news outlets make less and less business sense. I wanted to find out more about how long form journalism is going to work going forward and how it will apply to financial regulation.
So I spoke to JUSTIN ELLIOTT, an Investigative Reporter at ProPublica.
Justin has won the Gerald Loeb Award for business journalism, the Selden Ring Award for a series on the American Red Cross and, with the “Trump, Inc.” podcast team, a duPont-Columbia Award.
He co-wrote the story revealing tech mogul Peter Thiel’s multibillion-dollar Roth IRA which we talk about here.
Justin's Path to Reporting
The Role of PROPUBLICA in Long Form Journalism
What are its origins?
What is its mandate?
How is it funded?
What is the Role of Journalism in (Re) Establishing Accountability in Society?
What is Congress' (and the other branches of government) role in fixing the issues that journalism uncovers?
Peter Thiel's $5 Billion Roth
What happened? (How did Thiel get assets into a Roth IRA with a $2K cap?)
How did this work? (Funding a Roth IRA with low value Founders' shares)
The "Law", the Intent of the "Law" and the Variability around the "Law"?
Is this a valuation issue as much as a legal issue?
Is it wrong?
How should we correct a distortion like this?
What's next for Justin and ProPublica and how do we find him?
2024 Election Coverage
Justin at ProPublica
Justin at Twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1YOe9GV0MY
https://youtu.be/Ao33oyZJuC8
https://www.amazon.com/Wealth-Actually-Intelligent-Decision-Making-1-ebook/dp/B07FPQJJQT
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Jun 4, 2024 • 27min
TECHNOLOGY AND ESTATE PLANNING
David Barnard, Founder and CEO of Luminary, shares insights from his extensive background in private wealth management. He discusses the crucial integration of technology in estate planning, emphasizing its importance for modern advisors. Barnard highlights the challenges of managing complex estate concepts and the role of storytelling in effective communication. He unveils Luminary’s platform as a bridge for collaboration among advisors and clients, allowing for dynamic planning and clear visualizations that drive client engagement and decision-making.

May 8, 2024 • 25min
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND HEALTHCARE
Artificial intelligence and healthcare have been intertwined for a long time.
The public has finally noticed.
With the emergence of OpenAI and other Large Language Model platforms, we are on the forefront of more huge changes in the business of health care.
Healthcare and elder issues are the major concerns for most families planning for their futures. Artificial intelligence has permanently changed the method and pace of research, the role of privacy, the choice and delivery of treatment, and the way people interact with the healthcare community.
To better understand these issues, I spoke with Chris Heye. who is working in the space.
Background
Dr CHRIS HEYE is the CEO and Founder of both Whealthcare Solutions, Inc. and Whealthcare Planning LLC. He is a proven entrepreneur with extensive experience starting and growing technology companies. After confronting dementia in his own family and witnessing elder financial abuse in friends, Chris decided that older adults needed more protection.
Chris and I take a look at this intersection. The advances are exciting. Having surveying the landscape, we marvel at the leaps forward to come and worry about the issues that they create.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsGlUlYQG84&t=7s
Artificial Intelligence and Healthcare
Against that backdrop, we take on these questions:
How is the intersection of artificial intelligence and healthcare changing medical research?
Is artificial intelligence shifting the methodology and processes of healthcare and is it for the better?
After sharing our experiences with dementia and loved ones, Chris and I wonder about the future of dementia management. Will the intersection assist patients with their day-to-day lives?
Is artificial intelligence widening the gap between retirement, late stage health and death?
Knowing the pernicious effect of ageism, can the financial planning industry properly account for the length and expense of elder living?
What can we expect in the near future and what should we look out for?
https://www.amazon.com/Wealth-Actually-Intelligent-Decision-Making-1-ebook/dp/B07FPQJJQT
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Apr 13, 2024 • 23min
DIRECTED TRUSTEES
The transition of wealth between generations has put the spotlight squarely on fiduciary roles. With the rapid changes in the financial services space, directed trustees and independent administrative trust companies have exploded in popularity.
The Evolving World of Directed Trustees
Most advisors, wealth management firms, and clients under-appreciate the responsibility and risks of proper trusteeship.
They remember a culture and business model that existed decades ago.
These days, individuals trustees usually can't handle the rigors of the job and law firms are leaving the space for liability reasons.
Finally, in an environment where clients want more flexibility and control, the large bank-owned trust departments provide a cumbersome experience and high turnover,
With this in mind, modern estate planning has unbundled traditional investment, administrative and distribution trustee roles. There is a huge appetite for jurisdictional planning and best-in-class providers.
With all of this change, it is confusing for the advisor to know who is responsible for what and how much it should cost.
The Problem for RIAs
RIA's do not have the resources to advise or service clients with this complexity. The administration and oversight of these structures is a distraction.
Building a trust company to solve this problem does not make business sense in a private equity-backed RIA aggregation environment.
Moreover, using conflicted trust providers is out of the question for fear of putting client relationships at risk.
An increasingly popular option for RIAs and wealthy families is the use of directed trustees and the independent administrative trust company.
CHRISTOPHER HOLTBY is a co-founder of an independent trust company that works specifically with wealth advisors and directed trustees.
Not only do we highlight the best practices for identifying and partnering with an administrative trustee, but we also discuss the typical workflow between an RIAs and directed trustees.
Chris' Background with Directed Trustees
How RIAs work with directed trustees and an independent trust company:
1/ What are the basic requirements of independent trust company?
2/ Accordingly, which "value adds" should RIA firms should look for?
3/ Are there key attributes to spot when deciding to work/partner with an independent trust company?
4/ Lastly, should you be aware of any "Gotchas" in the space?
How Do We Stay in Touch with Chris?
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Video of the Podcast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YyqlULg1GA
"Wealth Actually" is now on Video!
https://www.amazon.com/Wealth-Actually-Intelligent-Decision-Making-1-ebook/dp/B07FPQJJQT

Mar 19, 2024 • 41min
RICHARD HAASS
Dr. RICHARD HAASS takes us on a tour of The World's Hot Spots. We also discuss the U.S. in 2024 and the concept of citizen ship.


