
The DemystifySci Podcast
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DemystifySci is Dr. Michael Shilo DeLay and Dr. Anastasia Bendebury. Together they untangle complex theories of nature, making analysis accessible through conversations with exceptional thinkers. Each week they interview a new theorist about the ideas that are going to rewrite our understanding of the world. Power them via Patreon: @demystifysci
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Jul 24, 2023 • 1h 52min
Tracing Mythology to the Roots of Humanity - Jon White, Crecganford
Jon White is the creator behind the Crecganford channel on YouTube, which explores ancient Indo-European mythology with a keen eye for how these stories converge upon a picture of some of civilization's most embryonic moments. Our conversation considers the roots of language, poetry, music, myth, and all things essential to our modern conception of humanity in all its riches and rags.
Check out the @Crecganford's channel on YouTube for more mythopoetic analysis of human history!
00:00:00 Go!
00:00:17 Who is Jon F. White
00:04:52 Ferryman of the Dead
00:12:33 Why do myths persist?
00:15:54 Why death?
00:21:47 Religion as an organizing principle
00:28:52 The heavy burden of kings
00:38:41 Technology & myth
00:45:40 The Oldest Story in the World
00:50:11 The Rainbow Serpent
01:01:05 Blank spots at the start of civilization
01:12:11 Transition to monotheism
01:17:39 Personification of God
01:27:27 The new myths
01:34:01 The oldest words
01:45:19 Origin of myth
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PODCAST INFO: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities.
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Jul 20, 2023 • 2h 33min
Truth & Reconciliation - Creon Levit, Planet Labs
Creon Levit is an R&D director at Planet Labs, where he mines satellite imagery data to find answers to myriad questions about the changing landscape, climate, and behaviors of humanity here on Earth. Our conversation explores our society's, and perhaps humanity's, persistent struggle to update our knowledge base and construct newer, more functional narratives about the world.
Creon's blogging: https://creon.substack.com/
00:00:00 Go!
00:00:17 Who is Creon Levit
00:12:35 Patreon Ask
00:13:46 Questions that Drive You
00:17:33 Is there really dissent in what is good?
00:23:32 Do psychedelics destabilize society?
00:33:45 Learning to ask the right questions
00:38:52 Contrarianism as an inherent orientation
00:41:26 Some people are destined to be contrarians
00:52:58 Lack of free ecosystems
01:00:11 Is siloing really so bad?
01:06:48 Quantum Physics
01:11:06 Does the future influence the present?
01:24:48 A different approach to quantum mechanics
01:27:27 Smooth arc between regenerative agriculture death cults
01:38:16 Taking back degraded land
01:49:45 Money exchanging hands at the beaver pond
02:03:39 Orientation to the Good
02:10:26 Opinion Jubilee
02:21:39 Closing thoughts
02:28:41 Chinese spy balloons
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PODCAST INFO: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities.
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Jul 17, 2023 • 1h 44min
Beyond the Empirical Record - Gregg Braden
Gregg Braden, a researcher bridging science and spirituality, discusses institutional corruption, human origins, static science, climate change, social engineering, AI, and parallel societies cleaving the species in a thought-provoking podcast.

Jul 13, 2023 • 1h 23min
A More Perfect State - Dr. Michael Hudson (Part 2/2)
Dr. Michael Hudson is a professor of Economics at the University of Missouri Kansas City, political consultant, commentator, and journalist. His career has focused on the study of debt, both external and internal, with an eye on what happens when the exponentially growing debts of a society outstrip the profits from the real economy. In the second part of our conversation we talk about modern monetary theory, the path towards debt forgiveness, and the foundational rules of a more perfect society that is not getting devoured by the rentier class. Support the podcast by check out Dr. Hudson’s books through our amazon affiliate link: https://amzn.to/44F6J7n00:00:00 Go!
00:01:01 Modern monetary theory
00:06:43 Patreon Ask
00:10:03 Devaluation of the currency
00:20:52 A functional government or a functional press
00:26:25 Only revolution cancels debt
00:29:28 What follows collapse?
00:39:36 stumble - Public Pensions and Ideological Suicide
00:50:26 Worker Ownership
01:01:49 Evolution or Revolution?
01:15:29 A good billionaire?
01:20:33 Closing thoughts
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PODCAST INFO: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities.
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Jul 9, 2023 • 1h 29min
Who Debt Works For - Dr. Michael Hudson (Part 1/2)
Dr. Michael Hudson is a professor of Economics at the University of Missouri Kansas City, a political consultant, commentator, and journalist. His career has focused on the study of debt, both external and internal, with an eye on what happens when the exponentially growing debts of a society outstrip the profits from the real economy. We talk about GDP is a false marker of prosperity, the growing influence of the rentier class, fantasies of joining the one percent, and why there’s never going to be another debt jubilee, even if it means the whole system has to fall apart. We continue the conversation about possible solutions in part 2, which will be released on Thursday. In the meantime, check out Dr. Hudson’s books: https://amzn.to/44F6J7n
00:00:00 Go!
00:00:16 Who is Michael Hudson
00:16:39 Patreon Ask
00:16:47 Who does the economy work for?
00:22:15 Redlining and the Aspiring Rentier Class
00:26:25 Fantasy of the 1%
00:33:00 Real estate always rises
00:37:40 How governments and CIA betray the people
00:43:55 Rhetoric vs reality in the demagogue
00:45:45 Antiquity, Oligarchs, and Debt
01:01:12 Debt cancellation
01:10:29 Debt free life
01:14:31 Financial capital's destructive force
01:19:32 What oligarchs do
01:23:36 Depopulation agendas
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PODCAST INFO: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities.
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Jul 6, 2023 • 1h 44min
Transformative Pain, Inherited Guilt, & Structured Water - Shilo & Anastasia, DemystifySci
DemystifySci goes solo. We talk about placebo mechanisms in psychedelic research, why no one can put together a good protest any more, and most importantly, Shilo lays out his structured water hypothesis for why spores stay asleep, in context of his recent Nature paper about hydration solids, a new kind of biomaterial: https://rdcu.be/ddZgd
Evaporation Machines from the Sahin Lab @columbia (set to Shilo's music): https://youtu.be/d_VkSPV7d2I
Shilo's dissertation on the physical basis of spore germination: https://academiccommons.columbia.edu/doi/10.7916/D8FJ3PNH
00:00:00 Go!00:00:17 psychedelics and pain00:20:42 Familiarity rules00:43:11 Ideal scientific discourse00:58:22 Lost idea of hypotheses01:00:19 structured water hypothesis for bacterial spore germination01:08:54 highly viscous spore water01:26:16 overcoming specialization silos01:36:51 2024 DS Conference
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Join our mailing list https://bit.ly/3v3kz2S PODCAST INFO: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities.
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Jul 6, 2023 • 2h 31min
Missing Mechanisms at the Origin of Life - Dr. James Tour, Rice University
Dr. James Tour is a Professor of Chemistry, Materials Science and Nanoengineering at Rice University who comes to defend a bold claim: that origin of life researchers are completely clueless about the mechanisms by which life arose on Earth. We start out with talking about Tour’s chemistry work, which includes a method of producing no cost hydrogen fuel and graphene too cheap to meter, the foundations on which he’s built his science empire, and get down to the vital chemistry questions that need to be answered before we can figure out what the earliest cells could have looked like.
00:00:00 Go!
00:00:17 Hydrogen fuel as a byproduct of graphene production
00:08:01 Cost of Production
00:10:58 Patreon Ask
00:12:30 Why graphene?
00:14:43 Concrete
00:19:53 How ideas happen
00:26:33 “T” People
00:31:44 Talking across disciplines
00:42:14 Making space for play in the lab
00:52:08 G_d
01:02:31 Pornography
01:14:11 The gospels
01:21:51 Synthetic Brain
01:27:55 Mechanism and miracles
01:31:26 What makes a mechanism?
01:34:21 Origin of Life
01:43:46 What is the beginning
01:49:40 The debate
02:15:12 Chirality
02:25:29 Closing thoughts
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PODCAST INFO: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities.
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Jun 29, 2023 • 2h 45min
Resonance Theory of Consciousness - Dr. Stephen Grossberg, Boston University
Dr. Stephen Grossberg is a cognitive scientist, theoretical psychologist, neuroscientists and mathematician who, with Gail Carpenter, is the originator of Adaptive Resonance Theory - an explanation of how we learn without catastrophic forgetting. It also happens to be a solution to the hard problem of consciousness. We discuss the problem of catastrophic forgetting, the ways that resonant states lead to consciousness, the AI cliques that have taken over the industry, and why AGI is impossible under current design parameters. Check out his book, Conscious Mind, Resonant Brain: https://amzn.to/3PshWnc00:00:00 Go!
00:00:17 Who is Steve Grossberg?
00:12:19 Patreon Ask
00:14:44 Learning without Catastrophic forgetting
00:22:26 Bottom Up vs Top Down Systems
00:26:07 Integrating Adaptive Resonance Into Existing Systems
00:30:01 The AI Clique
00:40:03 Gated Steepest Descent: A model for learning
00:54:21 Plagiarism and Progress
01:06:25 Pitfalls of Finite Markovian Chain Models
01:12:44 The Rockefeller University Years
01:26:30 BREAK
01:26:45 Cracking the Hard Problem
01:34:18 Why we have to be conscious
01:41:01 How representations become sufficient
01:51:31 Not All Resonances are Conscious
01:55:24 The Relief System
02:01:47 Steelmanning the hard problem
02:10:18 Integrating flawed ideas
02:13:12 The Solution to the Hard Problem of Consciousness
02:17:29 On the Nature of Qualia
02:21:33 Information is a Vacuous Term
02:25:27 Evolution from Primitive to Complex
02:30:31 Putting ART in Evolutionary Terms
02:33:33 Learning Language Meanings
02:35:25 ChatGPT is a lookup table
02:39:39 Closing Thoughts
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PODCAST INFO: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities.
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Jun 25, 2023 • 2h 4min
Material Basis of Stars Revisited - Dr. Alexander Unzicker, Theoretical Physicist
Dr. Alexander Unzicker is a neuroscientist, theoretical physicst, and award-winning non-fiction author who has just published a new book on Dr. Pierre Marie Robitaille’s liquid metallic hydrogen model of the sun. We speak to him about the theory, why Kirchhoff’s Law of Thermal Emission is so important, evidence for chemistry in the photosphere, and much more. Check out his book, The Liquid Sun: https://amzn.to/3Puq7iV00:00:00 Go!
00:00:17 Liquid Metallic Hydrogen Model of the Sun
00:09:19 The antenna model of light
00:12:06 Patreon Ask
00:13:23 Condensed Matter Model of the Sun
00:24:59 Kirchoff's law
00:35:42 Eddington's arguments
00:48:53 Breaking the CMB
01:00:05 Imaging the Unseen
01:10:24 Technological Promise
01:26:16 Changing the Sun's Parameters
01:48:11 Liquids and lattices
01:56:37 Closing thoughts
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PODCAST INFO: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities.
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Jun 22, 2023 • 2h 54min
Post-industrial Biopunks - Dr. Shane Simonsen, Zero Input Agriculture
Dr. Shane Simonsen is a an experimental farmer and speculative biologist who breeds crops that can thrive under zero-input conditions in a post-industrial future. We talk about his vision for the lumbering collapse of the petroleum-fueled present, the rise of the biopunks, and the limitations of our imagination when it comes to military tech, psychological weapons, and the dark art of crowd control.
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PODCAST INFO: Anastasia completed her PhD studying bioelectricity at Columbia University. When not talking to brilliant people or making movies, she spends her time painting, reading, and guiding backcountry excursions. Shilo also did his PhD at Columbia studying the elastic properties of molecular water. When he's not in the film studio, he's exploring sound in music. They are both freelance professors at various universities.
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