
Modern Web
The modern web is changing fast. Front-end frameworks evolve quickly, standards are emerging and old ones are fading out of favor. There are a lot of things to learn, but knowing the right thing is more critical than learning them all. Modern Web Podcast is an interview-style show where we learn about modern web development from industry experts. We’re committed to making it easy to digest lots of useful information!
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Aug 9, 2024 • 15min
Browser Native APIs with Rachel Nabors
Rachel Lee Nabors talks about the challenge of remaining current with new APIs and libraries, and how to prioritize which technologies you should invest your time in. Along with Tracy Lee, Rachel discusses their project of refactoring a demo using modern APIs and the benefits of challenging oneself with browser native APIs. The conversation also covers Rachel's involvement in standards development, and the evolving web technologies landscape.
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Timestamps
[00:00:00] Intro.
[00:03:10] Refactored code, removed external libraries, streamlined.
[00:04:35] Understanding web APIs requires deep knowledge.
[00:05:19] Focus on problem solving, not memorization.
[00:06:39] Many regions, new technologies, use cases.
[00:10:03] React Docs collaboration inspires Angular.
[00:12:17] Career advice and success stories.
Rachel Nabors' Social Media
Bluesky: nabors.bsky.social (Bluesky Social).
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rachelnabors/?hl=en
Twitter: https://x.com/rachelnabors
GitHub: https://github.com/rachelnabors
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rachelnabors/
Substack: The Tech Career Survival Guide (The Scrimba Podcast).
Additional Links
CascadiaJS: https://cascadiajs.com/
Rachel Nabors’ “Alice” Project: https://dribbble.com/rachelthegreat/projects/350942-Alice-in-Web-Animation-API-Land

Aug 8, 2024 • 21min
Don’t Make It Difficult to Engage with Your Brand: DevRel with Jonan Scheffler
Jonan Scheffler talks about bridging gaps between a brand and a developer community while also discussing the challenges DevRel teams face when aligning their goals with organizational objectives.
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Aug 7, 2024 • 45min
Tim Neutkens, Co-Author of Next.js on the State of Next
Tim Neutkens, Co-author and Tech Lead for Next.js, discusses how open source maintainers are simplifying the web, and covers the challenges faced with the current Next.js setup. Tim talks about TurboPack, a solution that optimizes bundling, improves parallelism, caching, and module graph calculations. He also talks about TurboAC, which focuses on addressing performance and compatibility issues, providing seamless transitions for Next.js users. Tim highlights the importance of efficient bundling processes to avoid excessive recompilation and discusses the updates in Next.js versions to enhance caching, rendering behavior, and client-side caching. Tim also discusses some exciting upcoming features in Next.js 15.
Socials
Twitter: @timneutkens
GitHub: timneutkens
Bluesky: timneutkens.bsky.social
Website: https://timn.tech/
Links
Vercel on Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, GitHub and Vercel's website
Next.js on Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, official Next.js website
Turbopack on Twitter, GitHub, YouTube, LinkedIn, Instagram, Official Turbopack Docs
Webpack on GitHub, Twittvser, YouTube, and Official Webpack Website
Show Notes
[00:00:02] Next.js and the upcoming release of TurboPack.
[00:04:27] JavaScript bundlers evolving to handle growth.
[00:07:58] TurboPack solves Webpack limitations efficiently.
[00:12:12] Bundler compatibility for optimal app performance.
[00:16:50] Client components separated in webpack instance. Turbo pack for better parallelism and stability. Industry moving towards server-side. Feed and rollup still relevant. Collaboration between tools for future.
[00:20:57] Replacing part with roll down, similar to Webpack. Overlapping ecosystem with Avonetic Conference. Limits with unbundling and loading on demand. Cycle of building frameworks and hitting limits. History of using Webpack for client-side code. Two compiler architecture for server and client. Coordination between server and client with Webpack.
[00:25:38] Server action imports, turbo pack improves performance.
[00:30:04] Next.js is popular for websites.
[00:34:18] Chipotle using Next in Vercel, exciting improvements.
[00:38:51] Next.js 15 release candidate with changes.
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8 snips
Jul 24, 2024 • 16min
Agentic AI: What Does AI Agency Mean Our Future? Safety and Security with Tejas Kumar
Tejas Kumar, an expert in AI applications for web development, joins Tracy Lee to dive into the fascinating world of AI agency and its implications. They discuss the innovative Vercel's AI SDK for streamlining tools and enhancing application efficiency. The conversation touches on important topics like the necessity of safety measures and regulatory frameworks in AI development, as well as the essential role of human oversight. Tejas also shares how AI is transforming podcast production and even music composition, making creative processes more efficient.

Jul 19, 2024 • 17min
What’s Great About TypeScript ESLint v8 + The “Trough of Disillusionment” in Adoption with Josh Goldberg
Josh Goldberg, TypeScript ES-Lint Maintainer, discusses the newest features and benefits of TypeScript ESLint v8, AI in coding, and industry adoption cycles. He highlights the improved performance and type-aware linting feature of TypeScript ESLint v8. They talk about the importance of using proper tools for better coding outcomes, the "trough of disillusionment" in technology adoption, and discuss the Gartner hype cycle.
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Jul 18, 2024 • 26min
These JavaScript Tools Make Collaboration and Deployment Easier with Jack Herrington
Join Jack Herrington and Tracy Lee at CascadiaJS 2024 as they talk about content creation, experimenting with new tools, and continuous learning. They cover some of the latest in what’s going on in the Vercel, Next.js, and Deno Deploy ecosystems, and what these teams are doing to enable easy deployment and better community collaboration.
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Jul 12, 2024 • 17min
Observables: Coming to a Browser Near You with Dominic Farolino (Google Chrome)
Dominic Farolino, Software Engineer on the Google Chrome team, shares his exciting work on adding observables to the browser as a web platform primitive to enhance web performance. He discusses the benefits of incorporating observables into browsers, simplifying developer workflows, and their efforts to make RxJS a widely used library. They also highlight the importance of setting deadlines, sharing updates, and collaborating to advance web technologies.
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Jul 11, 2024 • 23min
Integrating AI models into Dev Platforms (Low-Code, Accessibility, and APIs) with Amanda Martin from Wix
In this interview at RenderATL 2024, Tracy Lee and Rob Ocel interview Amanda Martin, a developer advocate at Wix, about integrating AI models into web development platforms, incorporating AI into low-code environments, and the accessibility of AI technologies through APIs and pre-built models.
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Jun 27, 2024 • 46min
React Version Transitions, Library Updates, and Why Standards Bodies are so Complex with JLarky
On this episode of Modern Web, hosts Tracy Lee, Ben Lesh, Adam Rackis, and guest JLarky share their takes on the JavaScript ecosystem, including thoughts on React version transitions and TypeScript compatibility. They also explore the challenges of library updates, as well as web standards and the complexities within standards bodies.
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Jun 19, 2024 • 46min
How Svelte and RSCs are Changing Web Development with Rich Harris
Rich Harris, Tracy Lee, Ben Lesh, and Adam Rackis discuss Svelte, React Server Components, and the future of web development. Topics include benefits of co-locating resources, component-based data fetching, and improving data management. They also explore challenges in transitioning to RSCs and the evolution in Svelte 5 with signals.
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