

Modern Web
Modern Web
The modern web is changing fast. Front-end frameworks evolve quickly, standards are emerging and old ones are fading out of favor. There are a lot of things to learn, but knowing the right thing is more critical than learning them all. Modern Web Podcast is an interview-style show where we learn about modern web development from industry experts. We’re committed to making it easy to digest lots of useful information!
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Feb 1, 2023 • 1h 15min
Making Your Websites ”Qwik” with Shai Reznik
In this episode, Rob Ocel, is joined by Shai Reznik, Founder and CEO at HiRez.io and Community DevRel at Qwik, to talk about Qwik. They discuss the history of front-end development and frameworks, what has led to this recent surge in framework development, what architectural principles Qwik values most, how Qwik and QwikCity differ, how to build Qwik apps, and so much more!
Guest
Shai Reznik- Founder and CEO at HiRez.io and Community DevRel at Qwik
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect and Engineering Lead at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Jan 25, 2023 • 57min
Component Testing with Cypress ft. Jordan Powell
In this episode, Rob Ocel is joined by Jordan Powell, Developer Experience Engineer Cypress, to talk about Component Testing in Cypress. They discuss the explosive recent growth of Cypress, the exciting new features just launched in recent versions, and the changing shape of the testing “trophy”. Then, they dive deeply into component testing in Cypress: motivations, best practices, tips, and so much more!
Guest
Jordan Powell- Developer Experience Engineer at Cypress
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect and Engineering Lead at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Jan 18, 2023 • 37min
Building a Design System with Paige Kelley
In this episode Jesse Tomchak is joined by Paige Kelley to talk about the ins ad outs of building a design system including the gritty details of coordinating an actual micro frontend. They also talk about the return to conferences, what changes they've noticed in the conference experience, what it's like to speak at a tech event, and more.
Guest
Paige Kelley- Senior Software Engineer at Pax8
Host
Jesse Tomchak- Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Jan 11, 2023 • 52min
Authorization on the Web with Cerbos ft. Alex Olivier
In this podcast, Rob Ocel and Adam L. Barrett talk with Alex Olivier, Product Lead at Cerbos, to discuss Authorization. They discuss how authorization (AuthZ) differs from authentication (AuthN), how Cerbos works and how it makes authorization simpler, what differentiates business logic from authorization logic, how to test authorization logic, and more!
Hosts
Adam L. Barrett - Senior Developer at @thisdotlabs - @adamlbarrettRob Ocel - Architect at @thisdotlabs - @robocell
Guest
Alex Olivier - Product Lead at @cerbosdev - @alexolivier
For more information on Cerbos, check out cerbos.dev.

Jan 4, 2023 • 32min
Developing an API is Like Building Legos with Ray Gesualdo
In this episode, Rob Ocel is joined by Ray Gesualdo, live at Connect Tech 2022, to discuss API development and how the process is a lot like building with the internationally famous toy, Legos. They share some fond memories of growing up and now raising kids around Legos, talk about the traits and characteristics of the best component and service APIs, and show how some of the great victories and lasting lessons of Lego apply to building more resilient, modular, reusable, and consistent software.
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect and Engineering Lead at This Dot Labs
Guest
Ray Gesualdo- Staff Software Architect at SalesLoft
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Dec 28, 2022 • 45min
React: Past, Present, & Future with Cory House
In this episode, Rob Ocel and Jesse Tomchak are joined by Cory House at Connect Tech 2022 to discuss the past, present, and future of React. They talk about: lessons learned from 7 years of React (featuring discussions of coupling, testing, and hooks), how to pick a React meta-framework, and what pillars they think successful developers should prioritize.
Hosts
Rob Ocel- Software Architect and Team Lead at This Dot Labs
Jesse Tomchak- Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Guest
Cory House- Founder of ReactJS Consulting
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Dec 21, 2022 • 31min
Talking Vue Composition Functions with Jess Sachs
In this episode Tracy Lee and Jesse Tomchak are joined by Jessica Sachs to talk about the world of Vue Components and all of the exciting new tools and communities being built to improve and simplify composition. Composables can be as simple as a logic gate or as complex as any renderless component, mixin, directive, or plugin, and in this conversation, our speakers dive into VueUse, which provides a collection of essential composition functions and renderless components.
Hosts
Jesse Tomchak- Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Tracy Lee -Co-Founder and CEO of This Dot Labs
Guest
Jess Sachs- Software Engineer and Open Source Developer
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

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Dec 14, 2022 • 40min
When the World Ends, We Need Documentation with Jeremy Meiss
In this episode, Rob Ocel and Jesse Tomchak are joined by Jeremy Meiss live at Connect Tech 2022. They talk about the table stakes of CI/CD and having a high performing team, and the vast array of options available to run DevOps and be successful. They also dive into the topic of mentorship and documentation, and how it benefits teams and the industry at large.
Hosts
Rob Ocel- Software Architect and Engineering Lead at This Dot Labs
Jesse Tomchak- Software Architect at This Dot Labs
Guest
Jeremy Meiss- Director of DevRel at CircleCI
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Dec 7, 2022 • 26min
GraphQL, Microservices, Bridging the Programming Language Gap, and Client App Consumption with Roy Derks
In this episode Tracy Lee and Dustin Goodman are joined by Roy Derks- Developer Experience at StepZen ⸱ Tech Entrepreneur ⸱ GraphQL Speaker, Trainer, and Advocate- to discuss microservice design and how GraphQL can help alleviate problems derived from poorly designed microservices. They discuss different strategies teams leverage to best scale their GraphQL APIs whether they use RPC, federated schemas, or REST wrappers. They explore how GraphQL is programming language agnostic and how it’s helping to bridge gaps between different language teams. They discuss how GraphQL can positively impact consumer application usage and how it can possibly help save energy consumption and help with the world energy crisis.
Guest
Roy Derks
Hosts
Tracy Lee
Dustin Goodman
Sponsored by This Dot Labs

Nov 23, 2022 • 1h 2min
Building Functional Web Apps with Enhance ft. Simon MacDonald
In this episode Rob Ocel is joined by Simon MacDonald- Head of Developer Experience at Begin- to talk about Functional Web Apps and how Enhance can help to build them. They talk about the value of building with web-standards, HTML, and web components; progressive enhancement; how Enhance works and how it differs from other libraries such as Remix or Next; and how to use Enhance with dynamic web apps and/or legacy systems. They also discuss who are the developers whose experience Simon is the head of, and a discussion of Simon's love of books and recommendations for what you should be reading!
Host
Rob Ocel- Software Architect, This Dot Labs
Guest
Simon MacDonald- Head of Developer Experience, Begin
Sponsored by This Dot Labs


