Optimist Economy

Kathryn Anne Edwards and Robin Rauzi
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Jun 17, 2025 • 54min

Work Requirements Don’t Work

Work requirements often fail to boost employment and instead push people off public benefits. The discussion dives into how these policies reshape labor incentives, with a focus on the 1996 welfare reform. Experts explore the volatility of low-wage jobs and question whether small benefits like the expanded child tax credit truly impact work behavior. Health consequences of Medicaid losses are examined, along with personal anecdotes about retail frustrations and life changes. The dynamic conversation blends economic theory with real-world implications.
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Jun 10, 2025 • 51min

The U.S. is in the Hole. Will We Stop Digging?

The national debt is $36 trillion — a panic-inducing big number. So maybe it will help to understand how the U.S. ran up that debt. We’ve blown 37% of it on tax cuts, with precious little to show for that. But 28% went to stabilize the economy during two major crises (in ’08-’09 and during the COVID pandemic), which is when you do want the federal government to pull out its credit card. Good news is we don’t have to get the debt to zero. We just need to get pointed in that direction. And for listeners who’ve been waiting for Kathryn Edwards to discuss MMT (Modern Monetary Theory), your moment has come.✨ Support the Optimist Economy podcast at: https://optimisteconomy.substack.com/subscribe or https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy ✨Complete show notes with links to articles and data at optimisteconomy.com.You can also find Optimist Economy on:TikTokYouTubeInstagram
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Jun 3, 2025 • 59min

College Rules! But Student Loans are a Hot Mess!

The U.S. government makes student loans because our economy benefits enormously: Improved human capital. Higher earnings for taxpayers. Innovation and productivity gains. (Side note: Education has also been a $50 billion per year “export” because so many international students come here.) Meanwhile, colleges are basically getting blank checks for whatever tuition prices they pull out of the air. So there’s all this upside for the government and cash flowing to colleges, but student borrowers are left holding the bag. Kathryn Edwards thinks we can do better, and in a way that preserves what makes the American college experience great for students and the country.✨ Support the Optimist Economy podcast at: https://optimisteconomy.substack.com/subscribe or https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy ✨Complete show notes with links to articles and data at optimisteconomy.com.You can also find Optimist Economy on:TikTokYouTubeInstagram
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May 27, 2025 • 50min

OE Lightning Round: Kathryn Edwards Takes Your Economy Questions

Kathryn Edwards answers listeners’ economic questions, with her co-host's stopwatch running. In under an hour, we cover risks to U.S. economic data, college tuition, taxes, bonds, degrowth, mortgages, tariffs vs. income taxes, wealth concentration, and why the future can’t be built on lies. Finally, for those of you not from Wisconsin, do you know how to pronounce Waukesha? Because Robin sure didn’t. And apparently it’s not Wauke$ha, either.You can also find Optimist Economy on:TikTokYouTubeInstagramSubstackSupport us by becoming a paid Substack subscriber, or by making a contribution at https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy
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May 20, 2025 • 59min

The Invisible Hand Doesn’t Want to Change Diapers

Child care is exhibit A that not everything can be solved by private marketplaces. It is too expensive and too scarce — and as Kathryn Edwards points out, nothing will change that fact. (Maybe you’ve heard someone say that preschool costs more than state university tuition? True in 38 states.) Even among those who think that there’s a role for the government to play in early childhood care, there are still very strong disagreements about what public support should look like and who it should go to. This is a sequel of sorts to our conversation last week about U.S. birth rates last week and the demographics that might force big policy changes in the years to come.✨ Support the Optimist Economy podcast at: https://optimisteconomy.substack.com/subscribe or https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy ✨You can also find Optimist Economy on:TikTokYouTubeInstagram
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May 13, 2025 • 52min

A Family Bill for a Shrinking U.S.

Dive into the intriguing discussion about the U.S. declining birth rate and its economic implications. Explore quirky government suggestions like baby bonuses and the importance of childcare policies. The hosts tackle the maternal health crisis, proposing innovative solutions for better family support. Reflect on personal stories of marriage while dissecting the historical evolution of child-rearing and fertility preferences. This engaging conversation challenges societal narratives and seeks a transformative vision for families across the nation.
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May 6, 2025 • 51min

Progress is a Long Game

What sparks progress? The right political conditions? Social pressure? Economic upheaval? In response to two listeners’ questions, Kathryn Edwards says… both none of those and all of the above. (Also, "not a historian.") Still, as an example, we talk through just one bit of the New Deal in the 1930s, which was the law to limit child labor. That movement started decades earlier, and continued decades afterward. For those keeping score at home, this a sneaky third installment of Kathryn’s 68-part series on the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938.✨ Support the Optimist Economy podcast at: https://optimisteconomy.substack.com/subscribe or https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy ✨You can also find Optimist Economy on:TikTokYouTubeInstagram
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Apr 29, 2025 • 43min

Paid Sick Days for Lady Gaga (and Everyone Else Too)

In the category of low-hanging policy fruit, why won’t any politician pluck the ripe, juicy goodness of federally mandated paid sick leave? About 30 million American workers not only don’t get a paid day off when they have the flu, there’s no law on the books to prevent them from being fired if they call in sick. Economist Kathryn Edwards points out that research has found that the job-protection aspect alone is worth $2,000 a year to vulnerable working moms. Of course this also keeps communities healthier because who needs to be exposed to baristas with bronchitis?✨ Support the Optimist Economy podcast at: https://optimisteconomy.substack.com/subscribe or https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy ✨You can also find Optimist Economy on:TikTokYouTubeInstagram
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Apr 22, 2025 • 46min

AI Suggested Five Horrible Titles for This Episode

A recent article in the Washington Post proposed that U.S. labor data has just started to show the bite artificial intelligence is taking out of U.S. jobs – in this case, for computer programmers. Is AI going to cause mass joblessness? Silicon Valley bros seem to think so. Journalists seem to think so. So what’s with economist Kathryn Edwards' ho-hum reaction? The long view: The United States has seen lots of technological progress over time, but technology has been the most villainized since 1980—also the era of declining worker power. It’s our gutted worker protections that make periods of technological transition so painful.✨ Support the Optimist Economy podcast at: https://optimisteconomy.substack.com/subscribe or https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy ✨Read More:More than a quarter of computer-programming jobs just vanished. What happened? [The Washington Post]Majority of U.S. adults think AI will eliminate jobs over next two decades, but experts’ views are more mixed [Pew Research Center]You can also find Optimist Economy on:TikTokYouTubeInstagram
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Apr 15, 2025 • 38min

Work Rules for the Modern World

Never heard of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938? It’s why there’s a minimum wage, overtime pay, and 12-year-olds can’t legally have a job. It’s also due for a 21st-century update. What would these “New Work Standards” include? Let’s start with the right to request remote work, part-time schedules, or non-traditional hours. This shift would be a game-changer for folks with disabilities, parents juggling young kids, or anyone going through tough personal times. This is also a way to grow the economy by keeping people attached to the workforce. Consider this part one of – if Kathryn has her way – a 63-part series on how to update the FLSA.Read More:Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 [U.S. Dept of Labor history page]Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau [PDF]The TurboTax Trap [ProPublica]The 988 LifelineYou can also find Optimist Economy on:TikTokYouTubeInstagramSubstackSupport us by becoming a paid Substack newsletter subscriber or at https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy

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