

Optimist Economy
Kathryn Anne Edwards and Robin Rauzi
Economist Kathryn Anne Edwards and co-host Robin Rauzi talk about the fundamentals of the economy and how to build a better future one problem and solution at a time. Our premise is that the United States has remarkable economy — and yet for tens of millions of Americans it is not performing up to its potential. It could be more open to aspiring workers, less hostile to change, safer for workers, less risky for retirees, and so on.✨ Support the podcast at: optimisteconomy.com ✨Ask questions or share your economic worries with us at: optimist.economy@gmail.com
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Jul 1, 2025 • 55min
About That College Grad Who Can’t Find a Job…
Recent college graduates are struggling to find jobs in a shifting economy. Experts discuss the mismatched perceptions of youth unemployment and the real challenges they face, debunking myths around AI and education's value. With current unemployment rates still lower than their high-school peers, what's worrying is the potential sign of a weakening economy. The conversation also touches on the complexities of education, the evolution of language, and the impact of positive reinforcement in everyday life.

Jun 24, 2025 • 51min
Simple Immigration Economics: Bigger is Better
One in five workers in the United States was born in another country. Without them, the country’s prime-age workforce would be shrinking, and thus so would our economy. So the calumny (Terms & Conditions) directed at immigrants is at odds with the basic fact that the U.S. needs them. What about depressing wages? Economist Kathryn Edwards says that research shows such a mixed bag of results that the overall effect is about zero. Indeed, if the goal is to save “American jobs” or help American workers, there are a lot more effective ways to spend $185 billion than on a massive crackdown on immigration rules.Support us by becoming a paid Substack subscriber here, or by making a contribution at https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomyComplete show notes with links to articles and data at optimisteconomy.com.You can also find Optimist Economy on:
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Jun 17, 2025 • 54min
Work Requirements Don’t Work
Work requirements often fail to boost employment and instead push people off public benefits. The discussion dives into how these policies reshape labor incentives, with a focus on the 1996 welfare reform. Experts explore the volatility of low-wage jobs and question whether small benefits like the expanded child tax credit truly impact work behavior. Health consequences of Medicaid losses are examined, along with personal anecdotes about retail frustrations and life changes. The dynamic conversation blends economic theory with real-world implications.

Jun 10, 2025 • 51min
The U.S. is in the Hole. Will We Stop Digging?
The national debt is $36 trillion — a panic-inducing big number. So maybe it will help to understand how the U.S. ran up that debt. We’ve blown 37% of it on tax cuts, with precious little to show for that. But 28% went to stabilize the economy during two major crises (in ’08-’09 and during the COVID pandemic), which is when you do want the federal government to pull out its credit card. Good news is we don’t have to get the debt to zero. We just need to get pointed in that direction. And for listeners who’ve been waiting for Kathryn Edwards to discuss MMT (Modern Monetary Theory), your moment has come.✨ Support the Optimist Economy podcast at: https://optimisteconomy.substack.com/subscribe or https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy ✨Complete show notes with links to articles and data at optimisteconomy.com.You can also find Optimist Economy on:
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Jun 3, 2025 • 59min
College Rules! But Student Loans are a Hot Mess!
The U.S. government makes student loans because our economy benefits enormously: Improved human capital. Higher earnings for taxpayers. Innovation and productivity gains. (Side note: Education has also been a $50 billion per year “export” because so many international students come here.) Meanwhile, colleges are basically getting blank checks for whatever tuition prices they pull out of the air. So there’s all this upside for the government and cash flowing to colleges, but student borrowers are left holding the bag. Kathryn Edwards thinks we can do better, and in a way that preserves what makes the American college experience great for students and the country.✨ Support the Optimist Economy podcast at: https://optimisteconomy.substack.com/subscribe or https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy ✨Complete show notes with links to articles and data at optimisteconomy.com.You can also find Optimist Economy on:
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May 27, 2025 • 50min
OE Lightning Round: Kathryn Edwards Takes Your Economy Questions
Kathryn Edwards answers listeners’ economic questions, with her co-host's stopwatch running. In under an hour, we cover risks to U.S. economic data, college tuition, taxes, bonds, degrowth, mortgages, tariffs vs. income taxes, wealth concentration, and why the future can’t be built on lies. Finally, for those of you not from Wisconsin, do you know how to pronounce Waukesha? Because Robin sure didn’t. And apparently it’s not Wauke$ha, either.You can also find Optimist Economy on:
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May 20, 2025 • 59min
The Invisible Hand Doesn’t Want to Change Diapers
Child care is exhibit A that not everything can be solved by private marketplaces. It is too expensive and too scarce — and as Kathryn Edwards points out, nothing will change that fact. (Maybe you’ve heard someone say that preschool costs more than state university tuition? True in 38 states.) Even among those who think that there’s a role for the government to play in early childhood care, there are still very strong disagreements about what public support should look like and who it should go to. This is a sequel of sorts to our conversation last week about U.S. birth rates last week and the demographics that might force big policy changes in the years to come.✨ Support the Optimist Economy podcast at: https://optimisteconomy.substack.com/subscribe or https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy ✨You can also find Optimist Economy on:
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May 13, 2025 • 52min
A Family Bill for a Shrinking U.S.
Dive into the intriguing discussion about the U.S. declining birth rate and its economic implications. Explore quirky government suggestions like baby bonuses and the importance of childcare policies. The hosts tackle the maternal health crisis, proposing innovative solutions for better family support. Reflect on personal stories of marriage while dissecting the historical evolution of child-rearing and fertility preferences. This engaging conversation challenges societal narratives and seeks a transformative vision for families across the nation.
May 6, 2025 • 51min
Progress is a Long Game
What sparks progress? The right political conditions? Social pressure? Economic upheaval? In response to two listeners’ questions, Kathryn Edwards says… both none of those and all of the above. (Also, "not a historian.") Still, as an example, we talk through just one bit of the New Deal in the 1930s, which was the law to limit child labor. That movement started decades earlier, and continued decades afterward. For those keeping score at home, this a sneaky third installment of Kathryn’s 68-part series on the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938.✨ Support the Optimist Economy podcast at: https://optimisteconomy.substack.com/subscribe or https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy ✨You can also find Optimist Economy on:
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Apr 29, 2025 • 43min
Paid Sick Days for Lady Gaga (and Everyone Else Too)
In the category of low-hanging policy fruit, why won’t any politician pluck the ripe, juicy goodness of federally mandated paid sick leave? About 30 million American workers not only don’t get a paid day off when they have the flu, there’s no law on the books to prevent them from being fired if they call in sick. Economist Kathryn Edwards points out that research has found that the job-protection aspect alone is worth $2,000 a year to vulnerable working moms. Of course this also keeps communities healthier because who needs to be exposed to baristas with bronchitis?✨ Support the Optimist Economy podcast at: https://optimisteconomy.substack.com/subscribe or https://buymeacoffee.com/optimisteconomy ✨You can also find Optimist Economy on:
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