

Startup Project: Build the future
Nataraj
Conversations with founders, operators and investors who are building the future. Listen to find the stories, ideas, tactics & investments behind the products that will define the future of technology.
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Nov 19, 2024 • 59min
#86 Building RelationalAI: AI Coprocessor for Snowflake | Molham Aref CEO & Founder
My guest today is Moham Aref, CEO of RelationalAI, a company that recently closed a $75 million Series B funding round. Moham shares his incredible journey spanning over 30 years in the AI and machine learning space, offering invaluable insights for aspiring entrepreneurs and tech enthusiasts alike.
Moham Aref, CEO of RelationalAI, Moham brings a wealth of experience, having previously led LogicBlox and Predictix, and now spearheading Relational AI's mission to simplify intelligent application development.
→ Website: https://relational.ai/
→ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/molham/
Nataraj is the host & creator of Startup Project podcast, he is a full time product manager at Microsoft, early stage investor & advisor.
→ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natarajsindam/
→ Twitter: https://x.com/natarajsindam
→ Email updates: https://startupproject.substack.com/
→ Website: https://thestartupproject.io
Podcast Highlights:
This episode covers a wide range of fascinating topics, from Molham's extensive career journey to the intricacies of the modern data stack and the transformative potential of Relational AI's technology. We unravel the complexities of descriptive, predictive, and prescriptive analytics, demystifying these crucial concepts for a broader audience. We also discuss the challenges of finding those first five customers in the B2B world, the strategic decision to build on Snowflake, and the potential for future competition and cannibalization by larger platforms. Molham thoughtfully shares his perspective on the current hype surrounding Generative AI and its practical applications in the enterprise space. We finish with advice on leadership, mentorship, and the overall challenges and rewards of a career in tech.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction and Guest Introduction
01:55 - Molham Aref's Career Journey and Transition to Relational AI
08:30 - Understanding Descriptive, Predictive, and Prescriptive Analytics
12:00 - Early Use Cases and Target Customers for Relational AI
17:30 - The Decision to Build on Snowflake: Strategy and Competition
22:15 - Securing the First Five Customers in the B2B World
27:40 - The Modern Data Stack and Relational AI's Place Within It
34:30 - Generative AI: Hype, Reality, and Enterprise Applications
40:00 - Leveraging Generative AI Internally and for Customer Value
45:00 - B2B Sales Strategies: Content, Relationships, and Customer Focus
51:30 - Relational AI's Future Plans and Growth Strategy
54:00 - Molham's Consumption Habits: Historical Insights and Mentorship
58:30 - Lessons Learned as a Founder and CEO
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#RelationalAI #AI #MachineLearning #DataAnalytics #PredictiveAnalytics #PrescriptiveAnalytics #GenerativeAI #Snowflake #B2B #Entrepreneurship #TechPodcast #DataManagement #BusinessIntelligence #CloudComputing #TechLeadership #CareerAdvice #Innovation #DataStrategy

Oct 21, 2024 • 1h 22min
#85 AI Should Not be Regulated - Author & ML Researcher Pedro Domingos #ai #regulation
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→ YouTube link: https://youtu.be/9-J4eV8qvZg
Join us as we dive deep into the world of AI with Pedro Domingos, a machine learning pioneer and author of the acclaimed book "The Master Algorithm." Pedro shares his insights on the current AI hype cycle, the real impact of AI on society, and how he sees the future of this transformative technology.
Guest on the episode: Pedro Domingos (Author and Machine Learning Professor)
→ Website: pedrodomingos.org
→ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pedro-domingos-77b183/
→ Twitter: https://x.com/pmddomingos
→ Read Pedro's new book 2040: https://2040novel.com/
Host: Nataraj (Investor at Incisive VC, angel investor, and Senior Product Manager)
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→ Twitter: https://x.com/natarajsindam
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→ Website: https://thestartupproject.io
In this episode, we discuss:
00:00 - Introduction:** Meet Pedro Domingos, a legend in the field of machine learning.
03:28 - Early Career:** Learn how Pedro got into machine learning in the 80s, a time when it wasn't considered "cool".
08:17 - AI vs. Machine Learning:** Pedro clarifies the difference between these two terms and explains why machine learning is the driving force behind all other AI applications.
13:26 - The AI Hype Cycle:** Pedro discusses the rapid progress of AI, but also warns of the potential for a stock market bubble if the hype exceeds the reality.
21:45 - LLMs and the Future of AI:** Pedro analyzes whether the current hype around LLMs will lead to AGI and speculates on what breakthroughs might be needed to get there.
31:44 - The Master Algorithm:** Pedro talks about the purpose and scope of his book, "The Master Algorithm," and how it offers a broader understanding of AI beyond just LLMs.
42:29 - Open AI and the Comedy of Errors:** Pedro dives into the hype surrounding Open AI and its perceived dominance in the AI space, sharing his perspective on their overestimation.
54:25 - AI Safety and the Call for a Moratorium:** Pedro dismisses the fear-mongering around AI's supposed threat to humanity and provides a rational perspective on the current AI safety concerns.
1:03:19 - AI in 2040:** Pedro discusses his satirical book, "2040," which paints a humorous, yet thought-provoking, picture of how AI might impact society.
1:14:18 - Recommendation Systems and Human Psychology:** Pedro examines the limitations of current recommendation systems and argues for a shift towards systems that give users more control over their information consumption.
1:24:38 - The Importance of Critical Information Consumption:** Pedro shares his strategies for staying informed in the age of information overload, emphasizing the need for a balanced and diverse intake of information.
1:38:59 - The Importance of Choosing the Right Problem:** Pedro stresses the importance of finding research problems that align with your passion and potential impact, rather than chasing the latest trends.
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#AI #machinelearning #themasteralgorithm #llm #agi #futureofai #tech #society #2040 #openai #google #facebook #recommendation #information #research #podcasts #startups #sharp ratio

Oct 15, 2024 • 50min
#84 From Mars Rover to Starups: Ex-aws exec khawaja shams on the art of product-market fit in b2b cloud
In this episode of Startup Project, we chat with Khawaja Shams, Co-founder and CEO of Momento, a serverless caching and messaging service built for interactive applications at scale.
Host: Nataraj (Investor at Incisive VC, angel investor, and Senior Product Manager)
Guest: Khawaja Shams (Co-founder and CEO of Momento)
Website: Momento Website
LinkedIn: Nataraj's LinkedIn | Khawaja's LinkedIn
[0:00 - 2:00] Khawaja shares his incredible journey—from working on image processing for Mars rovers and communications for interplanetary missions at NASA to building crucial infrastructure at Amazon Web Services (AWS) and ultimately starting Momento.
[2:00 - 6:00] Khawaja provides an in-depth look at his early days at NASA, where he was inspired by the company’s mission and the potential of cloud computing. He discusses how he prototyped using public datasets on his personal credit card and the challenges of onboarding Amazon as a vendor in the early days of AWS.
[6:00 - 10:00] We discuss Khawaja’s experience at Amazon, where he witnessed the company’s rapid growth and customer obsession firsthand. He details his roles in AWS product engineering and leading key teams, including DynamoDB and Elemental Technologies.
[10:00 - 16:00] Khawaja talks about the inspiration behind Momento and how the need for a better caching solution for interactive applications became clear. He explains how Momento addresses the pain points of traditional caching solutions and simplifies development for users.
[16:00 - 20:00] We dive deeper into Momento’s target customer base and the importance of focusing on verticals like media, gaming, and fintech. Khawaja shares valuable insights on identifying the right customers and building strong design partnerships.
[20:00 - 25:00] Khawaja discusses product-market fit and how Momento validated its solution through numerous successful customers. He emphasizes the need for coherence in customer asks and how that provides confidence in the product’s direction.
[25:00 - 30:00] We talk about B2B growth and marketing strategies, specifically how Momento leverages its existing customer base and focuses on finding similar companies. Khawaja stresses the importance of operational excellence and customer obsession in building trust and advocacy.
[30:00 - 35:00] Khawaja shares his thoughts on Amazon's leadership principles and how Momento has cultivated its own unique culture focused on customer centricity and psychological safety.
[35:00 - 40:00] We explore the challenges of attracting top talent in a startup environment. Khawaja emphasizes the importance of finding a team you enjoy working with and tackling a problem you believe in.
[40:00 - 45:00] Khawaja shares his current consumption habits, including his favorite books and podcasts. He also highlights the importance of mentorship and staying connected with people you admire.
[45:00 - 50:00] Khawaja discusses the importance of focus in a startup environment and how prioritizing a few key goals can lead to greater success.
[50:00 - 55:00] We finish with a discussion about AI and how Momento plays a crucial role in enabling interactive applications powered by real-time data.
#Startup #TechPodcast #Serverless #CloudComputing #AWS #InteractiveApps #B2BMarketing #Entrepreneurship #Leadership #AI #Fintech #MediaTech #GamingTech #ProductMarketFit #Caching #CustomerObsession #FoundersJourney

Oct 7, 2024 • 47min
#83 Learning Generative AI, Product Management & Upskilling your Career with Nataraj Sindam
This is a special episode. We are airing an episode where Nataraj was the guest on Learn It All podcast where he talked about trends in AI, how to leverage gen AI to build new products and how to upskill your career and find the right things to work on.
Links:
Startup Project Podcast: https://thestartupproject.io/
Website: https://thestartupproject.io
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natarajsindam/
Twitter: https://x.com/natarajsindam

Sep 30, 2024 • 38min
#82 Silicon Valley Secrets: From 3x Exit Founder of Baffle io Ameesh Divatia
Host: Nataraj - Investor at Incisive VC, Angel Investor, and Product Manager.
Connect with us:
* Website: https://thestartupproject.io
* LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natarajsindam/
* Twitter: https://twitter.com/natarajsindam
Guest: Ameesh Divatia - Founder and CEO of Baffle.
Connect with our guest:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ameeshd/
Check out Baffle: https://baffle.io/
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Startup Project Podcast Episode 82: Building Data-Centric Security with Baffle's Mish
In this episode of Startup Project, we dive into the world of data security with Ameesh Divatia, the Founder and CEO of Baffle. Ameesh brings a wealth of experience from four successful startups, including stints at Cisco during the dot-com boom.
We discuss the evolution of data security from protecting the network to securing the data itself. Ameesh explains how Baffle is creating a new category of “data-centric protection” to address the growing threat of data breaches in the cloud.
This episode covers:
- Ameesh's entrepreneurial journey from his early days in networking silicon to building multiple successful startups.
- The importance of humility and building relationships in the tech world.
- Why data protection is the next frontier in security.
- How Baffle is solving data security challenges in the cloud.
- The impact of GDPR and other regulations on data security.
- The potential of Generative AI to disrupt data discovery and security.
- Key considerations for starting a new company in today's tech landscape.
**Don't miss this insightful conversation with a seasoned entrepreneur who is shaping the future of data security.**
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Sep 24, 2024 • 60min
#81 Coursera's Engineer No 1 on Building AI agents for knowledge workers #AI #podcast #aicode #startup
Startup Project Podcast: Building AI Agents for Knowledge Workers with Lutra AI
Jiquan Ngiam joins Nataraj to discuss the future of AI, from the rise of deep learning to the potential of AI agents for knowledge workers. They delve into [Guest Name]'s experiences working with Andrew Ng at Coursera and Google Brain, where he witnessed the power of scaling up compute and data in pushing the boundaries of AI.
Timestamps:
* **0:00 - Introduction:** Nataraj welcomes [Guest Name] to the show and introduces his impressive background.
* **2:28 - Working with Andrew Ng:** [Guest Name] shares his experience working with Andrew Ng, emphasizing Ng's foresight and focus on scaling up neural networks.
* **6:15 - The Importance of Data and Compute:** [Guest Name] highlights how data and compute became key drivers in the success of AI, using the example of AlexNet's breakthrough in 2012.
* **12:25 - Democratizing Education with Coursera:** [Guest Name] discusses the early days of Coursera and the team's vision for democratizing access to education, especially in fields like machine learning.
* **17:55 - Google Brain and the Rise of Transformers:** [Guest Name] reflects on his time at Google Brain, where he witnessed the emergence of transformers and their potential for generalizing across modalities.
* **21:24 - The Limits of Scaling:** [Guest Name] questions the future of AI scaling, suggesting that we may be approaching a point of diminishing returns due to data limitations and the difficulty of creating truly effective synthetic data.
* **28:13 - The Need for Data on Physical Tasks:** [Guest Name] proposes a bold idea: collecting real-world data on mundane tasks to train AI agents for robotics and other applications that require replicating human behavior.
* **34:23 - Lutrei.ai: AI Agents for Knowledge Work:** [Guest Name] introduces Lutrei.ai, an AI agent designed to assist knowledge workers with tasks like research, data manipulation, and automation.
* **42:49 - Different Approaches to AI Agents:** [Guest Name] compares Lutrei's approach to building AI agents with other common methods, highlighting the importance of separating data and logic for reliable and scalable solutions.
* **45:38 - Choosing the Right Models:** [Guest Name] discusses the diverse landscape of AI models and how Lutrei leverages different models for different tasks, from small models for summarization to larger models for reasoning and planning.
* **52:04 - AI Code Generation: Cursor vs. GitHub Copilot:** [Guest Name] shares his experience using Cursor, a code generation tool, and compares it to GitHub Copilot, highlighting the potential for AI to empower average developers.
* **1:00:16 - The Future of AI Code Generation:** [Guest Name] predicts that AI code generation capabilities will become ubiquitous, and the key innovations will be in user experience and interaction design.
* **1:05:43 - Consuming Information:** [Guest Name] shares his favorite sources of information, including podcasts, books, and news outlets.
* **1:08:44 - Mentorship and Learning:** [Guest Name] reflects on the key mentors in his career, including Andrew Ng, Daphne Koller, and John Chen.
* **1:12:34 - Advice for Early Career Professionals:** [Guest Name] advises young professionals to be voracious learners and prioritize gaining diverse experiences early in their careers.
* **1:16:21 - The Motivation Behind Lutrei:** [Guest Name] explains his passion for pushing the boundaries of AI while simultaneously making it accessible and impactful for a wider audience.
* **1:18:33 - Closing Thoughts:** Nataraj thanks [Guest Name] for sharing his insights and expresses his excitement for the future of Lutrei.ai.
**Don't miss this episode to learn more about the exciting things happening in gen AI and how it's poised to revolutionize the way we work!**

Aug 17, 2024 • 48min
#80: End of Gaming PC? Ambitious Vision of Highscore for Cloud Gaming
🎮 Dive into the future of gaming with Ian from High Score! 🎮
In this episode of Startup Project, we explore:
- The true size of the gaming industry (hint: it's HUGE!)
- How cloud gaming is revolutionizing accessibility
- The story behind High Score's innovative platform
- Challenges faced by cloud gaming services like Google Stadia
- Future trends in game development
- Advice for aspiring game developers
Ian shares insider insights on:
- Why gaming is now recognized as a pinnacle of artistic media
- How High Score aims to bring PC gaming to any device
- The bifurcation of the gaming industry between indies and AAA titles
Whether you're a gamer, a tech enthusiast, or an aspiring game developer, this episode is packed with valuable insights you won't want to miss!
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Website - https://thestartupproject.io/2024/08/17/80-end-of-gaming-pc-ambitious-vision-of-highscore-for-cloud-gaming/
#Gaming #CloudGaming #StartupProject #TechInnovation #GameDevelopment #startups #cloud #opensource

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Jul 29, 2024 • 40min
#79 Building a Scalable No-Code Backend with Xano
In this engaging discussion, Prakash, founder of Xano and seasoned leader from Google, dives into the transformative power of no-code backends. He reveals how Xano liberates developers from traditional coding challenges, offering insights into their unique product-market fit. AI's role in this landscape becomes a focal point as Prakash discusses its potential when paired with intuitive tools like Xano. He also shares crucial lessons for aspiring founders about growth strategies, community building, and the journey toward sustainable success.

Jul 1, 2024 • 38min
#78 Securing The World's IoT Devices with Asimily
🎙️ Startup Project Podcast - Episode with Shankar Somasundaram, CEO of Asimily
Welcome to another exciting episode of the Startup Project Podcast! In this episode, we have Shankar Somasundaram, the CEO and founder of Asimily, a company dedicated to providing visibility and security for medical IoT and OT devices. Shankar brings a wealth of experience from his time at Symantec and Qualcomm, and he shares his journey of founding Asimily and the innovative solutions they offer.
🔍 Topics Covered:
- Shankar’s background and journey from Symantec to founding Asimily.
- The challenges and opportunities in securing medical IoT and OT devices.
- The importance of cybersecurity in healthcare and other critical infrastructure.
- Insights into the unique approaches Asimily takes to vulnerability management and incident response.
- How Asimily integrates with existing systems to provide comprehensive security solutions.
- Shankar’s thoughts on the future of smart cities and the role of connected devices.
- The impact of regulations like HIPAA on healthcare security solutions.
💡 Key Takeaways:
- The critical need for specialized security in heterogeneous environments like healthcare.
- The evolution of connectivity and its implications for smart cities.
- The importance of continuous innovation in the cybersecurity landscape.
📢 Guest Bio:
Shankar Somasundaram is the CEO and founder of Asimily. With a strong background in product and engineering, Shankar has been at the forefront of IoT security for over a decade.
🔗 Connect with Shankar:
LinkedIn: Shankar Somasundaram (https://www.linkedin.com/in/shankar-somasundaram-a7315b/)
Asimily Website: asimily.com
🔗 Connect with Nataraj:
LinkedIn: Nataraj Sindam (https://www.linkedin.com/in/natarajsindam/)
Website: thestartupproject.io
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Blog - https://thestartupproject.io/2024/07/01/78-securing-the-worlds-iot-devices-with-asimily/
#StartupProject #Podcast #Cybersecurity #IoT #HealthcareSecurity #Asimily #SmartCities #Innovation #TechPodcast

Jun 9, 2024 • 43min
#77 Learn It All Mindset with CEO Damon Lemby
Damon Lemby, CEO of Learn It, a company that has trained over 1.9 million individuals, shares his journey from professional baseball to the world of education, offering insights on leadership, learning, and the future of work.
The Power of the "Learn It All" Mindset
Lemby argues that the key to success in today's dynamic world is not being a "know-it-all," but embracing a "learn it all" mindset. This means being humble, curious, and constantly seeking new knowledge. He emphasizes that this approach is crucial for navigating the rapid changes in the business world, especially with the rise of AI.
Overcoming Imposter Syndrome: A Practical Framework
Recognizing that imposter syndrome is a common struggle, Lemby outlines a three-step framework for overcoming it:
Identify the Source: Clearly define what you're worried about.
Purposeful Awfulizing: Imagine the worst-case scenario and determine if you can handle it.
Work Hard, Focus, & Let Go: Put in the effort, practice, and release the need for perfection.
Navigating AI and the Future of Work
Lemby believes that while AI will significantly impact the workforce, those who adapt and learn to leverage it will thrive. He advises companies to empower their employees with access to AI tools and encourage them to explore these technologies.
Building Trust and Elite Teams
Lemby emphasizes that a company is not a family, but a team that needs to be constantly evolving. He encourages leaders to build high-performing teams, recognizing that sometimes this may involve letting go of individuals who have reached their capacity within the organization. He also underscores the importance of giving people the benefit of the doubt, acknowledging that building trust is essential for long-term success.
Invest in Your Growth:
Lemby encourages listeners to invest in their own development, read biographies of successful individuals, and constantly seek new knowledge. He also shares his own investment philosophy, focusing on seed-stage companies and traditional businesses with a strong leadership team and a solid market fit.
Key Takeaways:
Embrace a "learn it all" mindset for success in a dynamic world.
Conquer imposter syndrome with a practical framework.
Leverage AI for growth and prepare for the future of work.
Build elite teams and trust your employees.
Invest in your own development and seek out new knowledge.
This conversation with Damon Lemby offers valuable insights for entrepreneurs, leaders, and anyone seeking to navigate the evolving business landscape.
Blog post - https://thestartupproject.io/2024/06/09/77-learn-it-all-mindset-with-ceo-damon-lemby/