

Autistic Licence
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Join the Autistic Licence podcast, where two autistic therapists - Siana & Leo - share their experiences, insights and the colourful world of intersectionality! We’re here to boost visibility for fellow autistic therapists, fuel the global neurodiversity conversation, and create a fun, engaging space together. No matter who you are, we warmly invite you to join us on this journey of discovery, connection, and growth. Subscribe and be part of the conversation today!
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Oct 2, 2024 • 50min
S2 E2: To Medicate Or Not To Medicate (An Auditory Chronicle)
Leo is currently on the NHS pathway towards trying out ADHD medication. We discuss his experience of the assessment process so far. We then explore Siana's experience as a parent navigating the system.
We speak about common obstacles and concerns within the process. We also reflect on whether medication might have changed outcomes for each of us in education and / or the workplace.
We attempt to navigate elements of privilege sensitively and acknowledge that this is an initial conversation which was hope will spark further discussion and reflection.
We would love to hear your thoughts! 🧡💛
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Oct 2, 2024 • 23min
S2 E4: An Existential Experience
This episode is an excerpt from a follow up conversation we had regarding the gap between season 1 and 2.
We reflect on a health situation Leo had to navigate over the summer. We discuss aspects of communication within the health care system and also between us. We also notice our tendency as autistic people to deal with what is in front of us and then to appear to “forget” about it until there is an unconscious reminder.
The good news is that Leo is fine and recovered. Thank-you for listening and for all your support.
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Oct 2, 2024 • 40min
S2 E3: It’s All A Bit Meta
This episode contains our reflections around beginning a new podcast season.
We discuss the gap in recording and wonder about some aspects of this. We explore the concepts of autistic burnout and energy cycles. We also speak about inherent neurodivergence as opposed to the signs of neurodivergent distress or trauma.
It will be no surprise that we digress lots. We conclude that we will continue to record for another “season”.
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Sep 8, 2024 • 53min
S2 E1: Autscape
Welcome to Season 2 💛 🧡
This episode was recorded just after Leo returned from Autscape.
We explore his experience and broaden this out to discuss the hallmarks of wider autistic culture.
We then reflect on some of the perils and pitfalls inherent in making the transition "back" and between autistic land and neurotypical society.
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Jul 28, 2024 • 1h 3min
S1 E32: Hamilton, Socialising and the Art of Autistic Communication
This episode opens with a discussion of the "Hamilton" theatre production. Leo delights in the complexity of the rapid lyrical genius, enjoying being caught up in the current and looking forward to revisiting it again and again. Siana's experience, in contrast, is one of overwhelm and withdrawal.
This is an example of polarities often seen within the autistic community and the significance of context when looking at our capacities and challenges.
Siana reflects further on wearing Loop™ earplugs to manage overstimulation - at the theatre, on the tube and recently when out in a social context. We compare this with other ways in which we and others use all sorts of "accommodations" to manage our external and internal relationships and interactions.
We then switch to speaking about communication within a therapeutic context, including aspects such as body language, eye contact and silence.
Thank you for listening to us. If you have any comments or feedback, positive or negative, we are open and would love to hear from you.
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Radiolab - Stravinsky's Rite of Spring
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Jul 16, 2024 • 51min
S1 E31: A Polyvagal Training Experience
In this episode we discuss Leo's recent experience of attending a training course.
We track many details of this, from the planning to sensory challenges and considerations, to social interactions and disclosure.
We notice distinctive aspects of this which we experience differently as autistic people, many of which might not be predictable or discernible to our non autistic peers and training facilitators.
Again for this episode we have cut most of the tangential chunks in order to maintain focus for the finished edit, however we may combine all the tangents for a future release!
Thank you for all your support and, as ever, please get in touch with us at autisticlicence@gmail.com if you have any comments or reflections you would like to share.
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Deb Dana & Polyvagal Theory
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Jul 15, 2024 • 55min
S1 E30: Autistic Travels
This episode chronicles some of Siana’s travel experiences on a recent trip to London with her daughter. We speak about navigating public transport systems, accommodation and orientation.
We highlight things which we find helpful and comforting as autistic people, such as familiar places and foods and building time buffers into our plans. We also focus on the significance of asking for help – both when that goes well and when it doesn’t. We note the anxiety and vulnerability we can experience with cumulative challenges and unpredictable situations.
We have cut out many of the tangents to keep the episode focused on travel aspects but there were many enjoyable and fun times. 😊
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Jun 30, 2024 • 35min
S1 E29: Autistic Empathy
This episode is an exploration of some aspects of empathic communication and connection which may be distinctive for us as autistic people. We notice the significance of this within the contexts of friendship and therapy.
This dialogue also demonstrates some elements of a repair process and how - within a safe relational space - interpersonal dynamics can be discussed without defensiveness.
As ever, we value any feedback you may have - you can reach us at autisticlicence@gmail.com
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Jun 24, 2024 • 51min
S1 E28: Spiky Profiles
In this episode we reflect (broadly!) on the concept of having "spiky profiles". This relates to us having aptitudes in some areas and limitations in others, usually where the differences are more pronounced than might be expected in the general population.
As usual, we record without a plan / topic in mind and so there are lots of tangents. We think the authenticity of how we speak in addition to what we say also further demonstrates some of the conundrums of being "spiky" in this way.
We talk about some aspects of our educational histories, noting the unidentified autism and some of the ways in which we have reframed our ways of being nowadays in light of our ongoing personal identification journeys.
Please do feel free to email us at autisticlicence@gmail.com if you have any feedback you would like to share. Thank-you so much for being with us and all your support.
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Fractals
The Piano, Channel 4 (UK)
Spiky profiles
That's The Way I Think by David Grant
Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell
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Jun 5, 2024 • 1h 14min
S1 E27: The Joy of Words and Sounds
"Echolalia" might seem like mere mimicry to some but, for many autistic individuals, it's a profound way to connect and communicate. In this episode we challenge the often-pathologised views of echolalia, highlighting its role in creating warmth and fostering joint attention.
Join us as we celebrate the nuances of language, accents, and sensory experiences in autistic communication. Through personal stories and reflections we explore how unconscious speech adaptations and repetitive behaviours provide consistency, creativity and joy.
As well as the similarities in our experiences, this episode also showcases some differences between us in relation to the ways our hyper-connected brain pathways respond to the world. It's always good to be reminded of the old adage "If you know one autistic person, you know one autistic person!"
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Radiolab - Stravinsky's Rite of Spring
Synaptic pruning
ABA PBS - critical article
Neuroclastic - What is ABA?
AMASE - On ‘Positive Behaviour Support’
ABA Kindle book
Francis Bourgeois on TikTok
Francis Bourgeois on Instagram
Francis Bourgeois on YouTube
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