
The Modern People Leader: Forward-Thinking HR
Listen to interviews with CHROs, Chief People Officers, and other work experts on how they're pioneering the way that we work. They share what's working, what's not, and how they've gotten to where they're at in their careers.
Latest episodes

Jun 6, 2022 • 58min
64 - Mindy Honcoop on learning how to "ride the new bicycle" of work
Mindy Honcoop, an HR exec with 20+ years of experience, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about employee feedback, the new world of work, and what companies can do to help their people connect.
Timestamps: the best and worst advice Mindy has ever received in her career (11:20), the companies that are getting things right (15:50), what companies can do to better listen to their employees (19:00), learning how to ride the new bicycle of work (28:46), how companies can give their people opportunities to connect (42:55), the definition of connection (45:40), the career advice she’d give her 22-year-old self (50:00), and why she would fix meetings if she had magic powers (51:10).
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Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Apr 22, 2022 • 40min
63 - Interconnectedness of the HR buzzwords in 2022
Today we talked about the interconnectedness of all of the HR buzzwords, diversity being the key to everything, and the best career advice we’ve heard from our guests.
Timestamps: the interconnectedness of the all of the buzz-words we’ve heard over the last year (4:23), the 3 P’s of Rituals in the workplace (6:22), the importance of intentionality (8:07), the common denominator to success is diversity (10:50), how Twitter has re-opened offices and zoned them (13:53), flexibility and connection are key right now (18:30), best career advice from our guests (20:34), and the magic wand question responses (28:09).
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Apr 13, 2022 • 53min
62 - The Starr Conspiracy on testing the metaverse at work & why they sent $500k worth of body armor to Ukraine
The Starr Conspiracy's Bret Star (Founder & CEO) and Steve Smith (Partner & CMO) joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked with the Work Tech gurus about the metaverse's place in the workplace, the difference between employee engagement and employee experience, and why they recently raised money to send body armor to Ukraine.
Timestamps: how Starr Conspiracy is testing the applications of the metaverse at work (20:55), products out there that allow employees to connect in the metaverse (26:20), why companies need to keep trying new things (32:39), employee engagement vs employee experience (38:10), and why Starr Conspiracy sent over $500,000 worth of body armor to Ukraine (44:20).
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Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Apr 5, 2022 • 57min
61 - Erica Keswin (Author, Speaker, & Workplace Strategist) on the power of rituals in the workplace
Erica Keswin, the author of two Wall Street Journal best-sellers (Bring Your Human to Work & Rituals Roadmap), workplace strategist, and podcast host, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about how rituals are the human way to transform everyday routines into workplace magic.
Timestamps: her career journey (5:15), Bring Your Human to Work and Rituals Roadmap (8:10), why connecting with peers, managers, and colleagues is so important (15:12), matching the message to the medium (18:25), the definition of a ritual (21:17), the 3 Ps of rituals (23:10), the magic question that Erica asks every leader to better understand their company’s rituals (24:30), some of Erica’s favorite rituals that she’s seen (32:38), Erica’s go to Chipotle order (42:04), career advice she’d give her 22-year-old self (48:37), the people problem she would fix with a magic wand (49:46), and why on-sites are the new off-sites (51:40).
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Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Mar 22, 2022 • 50min
60 - Mita Mallick (Co-Host of Brown Table Talk Podcast / Head of Inclusion, Equity, & Impact at Carta)
Mita Mallick, co-host of the Brown Table Talk podcast and Head of Equity, Inclusion, & Impact at Carta, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about the importance of belonging, the big disconnect between the billions of dollars being invested in DEI and a true understanding of the work that’s being done, and what to do if you’re working in a toxic environment.
Timestamps: her career journey (3:10), how Brown Table Talk started (7:56), why Mita refers to it as the great awakening and not the great resignation (11:47), how to increase the sense of belonging (13:45), the barrier in truly understanding the work that’s being done in the DEI space (17:40), is the shift to hybrid creating a new dimension to bias in the workplace? (22:37), how companies can better support managers and better protect employees (27:45), advice for the people experiencing toxic interactions at work (37:23), how to prevent toxic people from slipping through the cracks of your hiring process (39:47), the career advice Mita would give her 22-year-old self (43:58), and how we are back to 1980s levels of women in the workforce (45:16).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Mar 8, 2022 • 1h 7min
59 - Tracy Hawkins (VP, Work Transformation at Twitter) on reopening Twitter’s offices & giving employees choice
Tracy Hawkins, VP, Work Transformation at Twitter, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about giving employees the choice on how they want to work and how Twitter has zoned their offices.
Timestamps: Tracy’s journey from flight attendant to Twitter (7:07), her role as VP, Work Transformation (13:45), why we should be jealous that she gets to work there (20:33), how their real estate strategy has changed and what it might look like in the future (27:10), employee choice is huge at Twitter (32:00), how they personalize their different offices (37:45), remote work got a bad rep (46:20), the zoning of Twitter offices - focus areas, collaboration areas, and social areas (49:43), how they address world issues at work (54:43), and the career advice she’d give 22-year-old Tracy (1:01:13).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Feb 28, 2022 • 1h 6min
58 - Cara Brennan Allamano (SVP, People, Udemy) & Rachel Ernst (Sr. Director, People Programs, Udemy) on Udemy’s New Normal
Udemy’s Cara Brennan Allamano (SVP, People) and Rachel Ernst (Sr. Director, People Programs) joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about Udemy’s new normal and what they’re doing to provide connection and flexibility for all employees.
Timestamps: the most pivotal moments in Cara and Rachel’s careers (4:53), the “New Normal” at Udemy (17:35), what flexibility means to Udemy (23:09), their offices are like a co-working space now (27:54), bringing Udemates on the journey to create the New Normal (29:20), learning paths related to navigating the changes at work (30:46), team working agreements at Udemy (33:44), adopting agile methodologies on your people team (37:00), the feedback processes they’ve built (39:00), they went from having 5 global offices to 900 in one day (41:20), what Cara’s hearing from the People Tech Partners community (50:20), and the career advice they would give their 22-year-old selves (57:40).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Feb 22, 2022 • 42min
57 - The four-day work week, working in the metaverse, and a chat about culture
Today we talked about Belgium approving the four-day workweek, the possibility of working in the metaverse, and then we talked about culture and the themes we're seeing across different guests.
Timestamps: Belgium approves the four-day workweek (3:58), will we work in the metaverse one day (5:58), and common threads from recent guests about culture, talent attraction, and career advice (13:14).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Feb 14, 2022 • 52min
56 - Liz Fosslien (Co-Author of No Hard Feelings & Big Feelings) on confronting big feelings at work
Liz Fosslien, the co-author of No Hard Feelings and Big Feelings, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about her journey to becoming a best-selling author, the 7 Big Feelings that we've all been experiencing the past couple of years, and how we can begin to make peace with our emotions at work.
Timestamps: Liz’s journey to becoming a Wall Street Journal best-selling author (4:44), why everyone should be jealous that Liz gets to work at Humu (10:55), why she thinks we’re all so scared of confronting these big feelings at work (14:32), how they identified the 7 Big Feelings (20:00), which of the 7 Big Feelings resonates most with Liz (23:04), emotional granularity (28:20), two tools for making peace with your emotions (30:16), how to avoid negative thought spirals (35:35), the 1 thing Liz wants people to take away from Big Feelings (40:50), and the career advice she’d give to 22-year-old Liz (44:44).
Big Feelings is set to come out on April 26th. If you'd like to pre-order now, here's a link: Pre-Order Now
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta

Feb 7, 2022 • 52min
55 - Jessica Williams (VP of People, Refine Labs) & Megan Bowen (COO, Refine Labs) on building a culture book & becoming a talent destination
Refine Labs’ Megan Bowen, COO, and Jessica Williams, VP of People, joined us on The Modern People Leader.
We talked about Refine Labs’ culture playbook, how they’re leveraging social media to become a talent destination, and why they’re focused on onboarding.
Timestamps: why we should be jealous that they get to work at Refine Labs (7:05), how they created their Culture Playbook (11:10), the “oh hell nah list” of behaviors at their company(15:24), the primary driver for going fully distributed (18:40), how they’ve filled 80 roles in two years and how they plan to fill 100 more this year (21:40), the journey for the typical candidate (24:50), the quality of inbound candidates vs. outbound candidates (28:50), how you can leverage social media to become a talent destination (30:10), why they’re focused on onboarding (37:23), where onboarding goes wrong for a lot of companies (43:00), and what advice they would give their younger selves (46:20).
If you have any feedback for the MPL podcast or would like to connect, don't hesitate to reach out on LinkedIn:
Daniel Huerta and Stephen Huerta