

Retire With Style
Wade Pfau & Alex Murguia
The purpose of Retire With Style is to help you discover the retirement income plan that is right for you. The first step is to discover your retirement income personality. Your hosts Wade Pfau, PhD, CFA, RICP and Alex Murguia, PhD walk you through creating and implementing a retirement plan that will help you reach your goals, and that you’ll be able to stick with.
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Oct 7, 2025 • 31min
Episode 199: Beyond the Numbers: Planning for Life, Not Just Finances
In part two of their conversation, financial advisors Alex Murguia and Dan Haylett explore the challenges of financial advising, focusing on client objections, the importance of listening, and integrating emotional well-being into financial planning. They discuss strategies for engaging clients, the role of structure in retirement, and the risks that come with a lack of it. Dan also shares insights from his book, The Retirement You Didn't See Coming, highlighting the need for a holistic approach that addresses both the financial and non-financial sides of retirement.
Takeaways
Advisors should be prepared to handle client objections with curiosity and understanding.
Listening is a crucial skill that can enhance client relationships.
Using worksheets can facilitate deeper conversations with clients.
Structure in daily life is essential for mental wellbeing, especially in retirement.
Lack of structure can lead to unhealthy habits, including substance abuse.
Money is a significant emotional factor in people's lives and should be addressed in planning.
Advisors have a unique opportunity to facilitate discussions about money and emotions.
Dan's book is designed to be a resource that can be referenced at any time during retirement.
The most dangerous day in retirement often comes when novelty wears off.
Financial advice should integrate both the mathematical and human aspects of money.
Chapters
00:00 The Importance of Open Conversations
00:58 Handling Client Objections
04:36 Creating Structure in Retirement
09:40 The Risks of Lack of Structure
14:05 The Interconnection of Money and Emotions
15:40 The Structure of 'The Retirement You Didn't See Coming'
Links
Are you an Advisor? Ready to take your prospect and client conversations to the next level? Join Wade Pfau and Alex Murguia for a free webinar, “How to Close Prospects & Increase Wallet Share.” You’ll see how the RISA framework streamlines meetings, builds trust faster, and creates a scalable process for long-term growth
Two live sessions available: October 8 or 9, from 1:00–2:30 PM ET
Visit risaprofile.com/podcast to register now.
Explore the New RetireWithStyle.com! We’ve launched a brand-new home for the podcast! Visit RetireWithStyle.com to catch up on all our latest episodes, explore topics by category, and send us your questions or ideas for future episodes. If there’s something you’ve been wondering about retirement, we want to hear it!
The Retirement Planning Guidebook: 2nd Edition has just been updated for 2025! Visit your preferred book retailer or simply click here to order your copy today: https://www.wadepfau.com/books/

Sep 30, 2025 • 38min
Episode 198: Beyond the Numbers: The Human Side of Retirement
In part one of their conversation with Dan Haylett, Wade Pfau and Alex Murguia explore the human side of retirement planning. They emphasize that financial planning is only part of the equation and discuss the emotional and psychological challenges retirees face. Dan introduces the five pillars of a thriving retirement: purpose, identity, relationships, structure, and well-being. The discussion highlights how finding new sources of meaning and connection after leaving a career is essential for a fulfilling retirement.
Takeaways
Retirement is about more than financial numbers—it’s deeply human.
Many retirees struggle with a loss of purpose and identity.
The five pillars of a thriving retirement are purpose, identity, relationships, structure, and well-being.
Money provides the freedom to pursue interests and purpose.
Retirement often brings major shifts in identity and relationships.
Building new social connections is essential for fulfillment.
Emotional and psychological planning is as important as financial planning.
Discussing potential challenges early helps ease the transition.
Retirement affects not just individuals but also family and friends.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Retirement Planning
01:10 The Human Side of Retirement
05:09 Day 182: The Reality of Retirement
08:07 The Five Pillars of a Thriving Retirement
11:06 Finding Purpose in Retirement
15:11 Identity Crisis in Retirement
20:16 The Impact of Work Relationships
28:18 Facilitating Purpose in Retirement
31:52 Navigating Life's Challenges in Retirement
34:07 The Importance of Open Conversations
Links
Are you an Advisor? — Ready to take your prospect and client conversations to the next level? Join Wade Pfau and Alex Murguia for a free webinar, “How to Close Prospects & Increase Wallet Share.” You’ll see how the RISA framework streamlines meetings, builds trust faster, and creates a scalable process for long-term growth
Two live sessions available: October 8 or 9, from 1:00–2:30 PM ET
Visit risaprofile.com/podcast to register now.
🎉 We’re About to Hit 200 Episodes! 🎉
Can you believe it? Retire With Style is closing in on our 200th episode, and we want you to be part of the celebration!
Whether you’ve been with Wade and Alex since episode one or just joined the party, this milestone wouldn’t be possible without listeners like you. Help us mark the occasion by sending in a short video or voice note to share your favorite moment, biggest takeaway, or just some kind words for the guys.
We’re also running a special giveaway to thank our community — and yes, there will be prizes.
👉 Be a part of Episode 200 by visiting https://retirewithstyle.com/join-episode-200 to join the celebration!
Explore the New RetireWithStyle.com! We’ve launched a brand-new home for the podcast! Visit RetireWithStyle.com to catch up on all our latest episodes, explore topics by category, and send us your questions or ideas for future episodes. If there’s something you’ve been wondering about retirement, we want to hear it!
The Retirement Planning Guidebook: 2nd Edition has just been updated for 2025! Visit your preferred book retailer or simply click here to order your copy today: https://www.wadepfau.com/books/

Sep 23, 2025 • 32min
Episode 197: RWS Live! With Bill Bengen: Part 2
In this conversation, Wade Pfau, Alex Murguia and Bill Bengen discuss various aspects of retirement planning, focusing on risk management, asset allocation, and the implications of market conditions on withdrawal rates. Bengen shares insights on adjusting the traditional 4% rule based on current market valuations and inflation, emphasizing the importance of a diversified portfolio and the role of annuities. The discussion also covers the significance of sequence of returns risk and the potential benefits of rising equity glide paths in retirement strategies.
Takeaways
A 65% stock allocation is recommended for retirees.
Risk management involves adjusting asset allocations based on market conditions.
The first 10 years of retirement are crucial for long-term success.
Diversification is key to mitigating risks in retirement portfolios.
Annuities can play a beneficial role in retirement income planning.
Market valuations should influence withdrawal rate strategies.
Rising equity glide paths may help manage sequence of returns risk.
Monte Carlo simulations can provide insights but have limitations.
The 4% rule may need adjustments based on current economic conditions.
Retirement planning should consider both historical data and future projections.
Chapters
00:00 Replacing Micro Caps in Portfolios
00:25 Risk Management and Asset Allocation
01:32 The Role of Third-Party Advice in Portfolio Management
02:50 Navigating Market Swings and Timing Investments
03:41 Inflation and Asset Allocation Strategies
05:27 International vs. Domestic Equity Allocation
07:04 Historical vs. Projected Data in Retirement Planning
12:18 Understanding Sequence of Returns Risk
14:18 Adjusting Withdrawal Rates Based on Market Conditions
15:45 Exploring Rising Equity Glide Paths
23:29 Finding the Right Equity Allocation for Retirement
27:29 Adjusting Withdrawal Rates for Inflation and Market Valuations
Links
Get Bill Bengen’s New Book – A Richer Retirement
Want to dive deeper into the research behind the 4% rule and how retirement income planning has evolved?
Bill Bengen’s new book, A Richer Retirement, is now available—visit bengenfs.com to learn more and get your copy.
🎉 We’re About to Hit 200 Episodes! 🎉
Can you believe it? Retire With Style is closing in on our 200th episode, and we want you to be part of the celebration!
Whether you’ve been with Wade and Alex since episode one or just joined the party, this milestone wouldn’t be possible without listeners like you. Help us mark the occasion by sending in a short video or voice note to share your favorite moment, biggest takeaway, or just some kind words for the guys.
We’re also running a special giveaway to thank our community — and yes, there will be prizes.
👉 Be a part of Episode 200 by visiting https://retirewithstyle.com/join-episode-200 to join the celebration!
Explore the New RetireWithStyle.com! We’ve launched a brand-new home for the podcast! Visit RetireWithStyle.com to catch up on all our latest episodes, explore topics by category, and send us your questions or ideas for future episodes. If there’s something you’ve been wondering about retirement, we want to hear it!
The Retirement Planning Guidebook: 2nd Edition has just been updated for 2025! Visit your preferred book retailer or simply click here to order your copy today: https://www.wadepfau.com/books/
This episode is sponsored by McLean Asset Management. Visit https://www.mcleanam.com/retirement-income-planning-llm/ to download McLean’s free eBook, “Retirement Income Planning”

Sep 16, 2025 • 30min
Episode 196: RWS Live! With Bill Bengen: Part 1
In this live Q&A session, Wade Pfau, Alex Murguia, and Bill Bengen discuss the intricacies of safe withdrawal rates in retirement, focusing on the relevance of the 4% rule, the impact of inflation, and the importance of investment strategies. They explore various topics including the significance of account types, the risks associated with stock picking, and the necessity of adjusting withdrawal rates based on market conditions and personal circumstances. The conversation emphasizes the need for a tailored approach to retirement planning, considering factors like tax efficiency and rebalancing strategies.
Takeaways
Inflation is a significant risk in retirement planning.
The 4% rule is not a fixed rule and can vary.
Longer planning horizons require lower withdrawal rates.
Account types affect the net amount available for withdrawal.
Stock picking can be risky and is not recommended for most.
Market conditions can influence safe withdrawal rates.
Adjusting withdrawal rates in response to inflation is crucial.
Understanding current vs. synthetic withdrawal rates is important.
Annual reviews of withdrawal plans can help manage risks.
Tax efficiency should be considered in withdrawal strategies.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Safe Withdrawal Rates
05:30 Understanding Account Types and Withdrawals
09:25 Small Caps and Future Performance
15:10 Annual Review of Withdrawal Plans
19:36 Immediate Actions in High Inflation
21:22 Customizing Withdrawal Strategies
22:55 Tax Considerations in Withdrawals
23:44 Withdrawal Strategies from a Multi-Fund Portfolio
26:45 Replacing Micro Caps in Portfolios
Links
Get Bill Bengen’s New Book – A Richer Retirement
Want to dive deeper into the research behind the 4% rule and how retirement income planning has evolved?
Bill Bengen’s new book, A Richer Retirement, is now available—visit bengenfs.com to learn more and get your copy.
🎉 We’re About to Hit 200 Episodes! 🎉
Can you believe it? Retire With Style is closing in on our 200th episode, and we want you to be part of the celebration!
Whether you’ve been with Wade and Alex since episode one or just joined the party, this milestone wouldn’t be possible without listeners like you. Help us mark the occasion by sending in a short video or voice note to share your favorite moment, biggest takeaway, or just some kind words for the guys.
We’re also running a special giveaway to thank our community — and yes, there will be prizes.
👉 Be a part of Episode 200 by visiting https://retirewithstyle.com/join-episode-200 to join the celebration!
Explore the New RetireWithStyle.com! We’ve launched a brand-new home for the podcast! Visit RetireWithStyle.com to catch up on all our latest episodes, explore topics by category, and send us your questions or ideas for future episodes. If there’s something you’ve been wondering about retirement, we want to hear it!
The Retirement Planning Guidebook: 2nd Edition has just been updated for 2025! Visit your preferred book retailer or simply click here to order your copy today: https://www.wadepfau.com/books/
This episode is sponsored by Retirement Researcher https://retirementresearcher.com/. Download their free eBook, 8 Tips to Becoming A Retirement Income Investor at retirementresearcher.com/8tips

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Sep 9, 2025 • 39min
Episode 195: The 4% Rule and Beyond: Retirement Strategies with Bill Bengen
William Bengen, a retired financial planner and aerospace engineer, revolutionized retirement planning with the 4% rule. He explains how inflation and market valuations critically affect sustainable withdrawal rates. Bengen emphasizes the need for a comprehensive withdrawal plan and recommends adjusting strategies to around 5.5% for today's economic climate. Listeners learn about the importance of asset allocation and regular monitoring of retirement plans. He also discusses strategies to navigate market volatility and the necessity of continuous adjustments for a secure financial future.

Sep 2, 2025 • 39min
Episode 194: RWS Live! Rethinking Retirement: Inflation, Annuities, and Roth Conversions
In this conversation, Alex Murguia and Wade Pfau explore strategies for retirement planning, including hedging against inflation, using break-even analysis in Social Security decisions, and evaluating annuities for retirement income. They also cover the implications of Roth conversions and the reverse equity glide path strategy for managing investments. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding how different financial tools contribute to a comprehensive retirement plan.
Takeaways
Hedging against inflation can be approached through TIPS or equities, each with distinct risk profiles.
TIPS provide a contractually protected hedge against inflation, while equities may offer higher long-term growth.
Break-even analysis for social security is often misleading and can lead to poor decision-making.
Delaying social security benefits can provide inflation-adjusted lifetime income, which is crucial for retirees.
Annuities can be a useful tool for ensuring reliable income, but their lack of inflation protection must be considered.
Paying taxes for Roth conversions from an IRA is acceptable if no other funds are available.
The present value of social security benefits should be considered as part of a retiree's bond-like income.
The reverse equity glide path strategy can help manage sequence risk in retirement by gradually increasing equity exposure.
Understanding the implications of social security estimates is essential for accurate retirement planning.
Investment strategies should align with individual risk tolerance and retirement income needs.
Chapters
00:00 Market Valuations and Investment Strategies
00:00 Inflation Hedging: TIPS vs. Equities
04:23 The Break-Even Analysis of Social Security
09:54 Annuities and Inflation Protection
14:01 Roth Conversions and Tax Strategies
20:01 Social Security Strategies for Couples
26:58 Retirement Income Challenges and Strategies
Links
Explore the New RetireWithStyle.com! We’ve launched a brand-new home for the podcast! Visit RetireWithStyle.com to catch up on all our latest episodes, explore topics by category, and send us your questions or ideas for future episodes. If there’s something you’ve been wondering about retirement, we want to hear it!
The Retirement Planning Guidebook: 2nd Edition has just been updated for 2025! Visit your preferred book retailer or simply click here to order your copy today: https://www.wadepfau.com/books/
This episode is sponsored by Retirement Researcher https://retirementresearcher.com/. Download their free eBook, 8 Tips to Becoming A Retirement Income Investor at retirementresearcher.com/8tips

Aug 26, 2025 • 34min
Episode 193: RWS Live!: From Tontines to ETFs: Exploring Innovative Retirement Solutions
In this conversation, Wade Pfau and Alex Murguia discuss retirement planning topics including market downturns, buffer assets, demographic trends, and emerging products like tontines and buffered ETFs. They highlight how historical market performance shapes future expectations and emphasize the role of strategic asset allocation in retirement income planning.
Takeaways
Market downturns can last longer than five years, impacting retirement planning.
Buffer assets can help retirees weather market downturns without selling at a loss.
Demographic trends may influence market performance and interest rates in the future.
Modern tontines could provide innovative solutions for retirement income.
Combining safety for essential expenses with discretionary spending can optimize retirement income.
Historical returns should not be the sole basis for future market assumptions.
Buffered ETFs may serve as effective tools for risk diversification in high market valuation environments.
Understanding the liquidity and terms of financial products is crucial for effective retirement planning.
Technological advances may reshape traditional financial products like tontines.
A diversified portfolio can help manage risks associated with market fluctuations.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Technical Setup
03:58 Market Downturns and Retirement Planning
12:59 Buffer Assets in Retirement
19:09 Tontines and Modern Financial Solutions
23:06 Combining Safety and Growth in Retirement Income
29:07 Buffered ETFs and Risk Diversification
33:31 Retirement Income Perspectives
34:06 Market Valuations and Investment Strategies
Links
Explore the New RetireWithStyle.com! We’ve launched a brand-new home for the podcast! Visit RetireWithStyle.com to catch up on all our latest episodes, explore topics by category, and send us your questions or ideas for future episodes. If there’s something you’ve been wondering about retirement, we want to hear it!
The Retirement Planning Guidebook: 2nd Edition has just been updated for 2025! Visit your preferred book retailer or simply click here to order your copy today: https://www.wadepfau.com/books/
This episode is sponsored by McLean Asset Management. Visit https://www.mcleanam.com/retirement-income-planning-llm/ to download McLean’s free eBook, “Retirement Income Planning”

Aug 19, 2025 • 36min
Episode 192- Beyond The 4% Rule
In this episode of Retire with Style, Alex Murguia and Wade Pfau dive into key retirement planning topics, including sequence risk, the 4% rule, withdrawal strategies, and bond yields. They highlight the importance of a comprehensive financial plan that accounts for asset allocation, tax considerations- such as those related to TIPS and annuities- and the role of dynamic, risk-based guardrails. The discussion underscores how retirement income strategies must adapt over time to meet changing needs.
Takeaways
Sequence risk is a critical factor in retirement planning.
The 4% rule may not be applicable in all scenarios.
Bond yields significantly impact sustainable withdrawal rates.
Fixed percentage withdrawal strategies can mitigate sequence risk.
Dynamic risk-based guardrails offer a flexible approach to spending.
Financial planning is essential for effective retirement income management.
TIPS are less tax-efficient than other bonds and should be placed in tax-advantaged accounts.
Asset allocation should be tailored to individual risk tolerance and retirement goals.
The traditional 100 minus age rule for asset allocation is a simplification.
Retirement strategies should adapt as circumstances change.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Conference Insights
02:11 Exploring Sequence Risk and Spending Strategies
03:35 Understanding the 4% Rule and Bond Yields
10:19 Fixed Percentage Withdrawal Strategies
14:06 Dynamic Risk-Based Guardrails for Spending
20:06 The Role of Financial Planning in Retirement
27:18 Tax Implications of TIPS and Asset Location
29:56 Evaluating Stock-Bond Allocation Strategies
Links
Join Our Next Live Q&A Session!
We’re hosting our next Retire With Style YouTube Live Q&A on Monday, August 25th at 2:00 PM ET. Wade and Alex will be answering your retirement planning questions live!
✅ Submit your question in advance at retirewithstyle.com
✅ Or join us live and ask your question in the chat
Come be part of the conversation- your questions often inspire future episodes!
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Explore the New RetireWithStyle.com! We’ve launched a brand-new home for the podcast! Visit RetireWithStyle.com to catch up on all our latest episodes, explore topics by category, and send us your questions or ideas for future episodes. If there’s something you’ve been wondering about retirement, we want to hear it!
The Retirement Planning Guidebook: 2nd Edition has just been updated for 2025! Visit your preferred book retailer or simply click here to order your copy today: https://www.wadepfau.com/books/
This episode is sponsored by Retirement Researcher https://retirementresearcher.com/. Download their free eBook, 8 Tips to Becoming A Retirement Income Investor at retirementresearcher.com/8tips

Aug 12, 2025 • 37min
Episode 191: From Cash to HELOCs What’s in Your Buffer Toolbox
In this episode of Retire with Style, Alex Murguia and Wade Pfau explore how buffer assets can help manage sequence risk in retirement. They discuss different types of buffer assets—including cash, home equity lines of credit (HELOCs), multi-year guaranteed annuities (MYGAs), and whole life insurance—and examine the trade-offs involved with each. Wade also shares insights on the evolving role of reverse mortgages in retirement planning, emphasizing the importance of weighing costs and long-term implications when incorporating these tools into a financial strategy.
Takeaways
Buffer assets help manage sequence risk by providing a safety net.
Cash, HELOCs, and life insurance can serve as buffer assets.
HELOCs may not be reliable during market downturns.
MIGAs can be considered buffer assets under certain conditions.
CDs can also function as buffer assets if withdrawal penalties are minimal.
Reverse mortgages offer unique advantages but come with costs.
The perception of reverse mortgages has evolved over time.
Long-term care costs can be partially covered by reverse mortgages.
Whole life insurance allows borrowing against cash value.
Understanding the terms of financial products is crucial for effective planning.
Chapters
00:00Introduction and Overview of Sequence Risk
02:24Understanding Buffer Assets
05:32Exploring Alternatives: HELOCs and Other Options
08:51Evaluating Multi-Year Guaranteed Annuities (MIGAs) as Buffer Assets
10:51The Role of CDs and Fixed Indexed Annuities
13:27The Case Against Gold as a Buffer Asset
16:12Reverse Mortgages: Risks and Benefits
19:19Changing Perceptions of Reverse Mortgages
22:31Long-Term Care and Reverse Mortgages
25:38Whole Life Insurance Loans and Their Implications
Links
Explore the New RetireWithStyle.com! We’ve launched a brand-new home for the podcast! Visit RetireWithStyle.com to catch up on all our latest episodes, explore topics by category, and send us your questions or ideas for future episodes. If there’s something you’ve been wondering about retirement, we want to hear it!
The Retirement Planning Guidebook: 2nd Edition has just been updated for 2025! Visit your preferred book retailer or simply click here to order your copy today: https://www.wadepfau.com/books/
This episode is sponsored by McLean Asset Management. Visit https://www.mcleanam.com/retirement-income-planning-llm/ to download McLean’s free eBook, “Retirement Income Planning”

Aug 5, 2025 • 28min
Episode 190- Buffer Assets, Bad Timing, and Better Plans
In this episode of Retire with Style, hosts Alex Murguia and Wade Pfau explore how to manage sequence of returns risk in retirement. They break down four key strategies: spending conservatively, staying flexible with spending, reducing investment volatility, and using buffer assets. The discussion also touches on how sequence risk can arise more than once—especially for early retirees—and how having a pension can affect your overall risk tolerance. Throughout the episode, they emphasize the value of starting retirement on solid footing and building a margin of safety into your plan.
Takeaways
Sequence of returns risk is crucial for retirees.
Four strategies to manage sequence of returns risk exist.
Spending conservatively can mitigate risk.
Flexible spending strategies can adapt to market conditions.
Reducing investment volatility is essential for stability.
Buffer assets provide a safety net during downturns.
Early retirement years are particularly vulnerable to risk.
A good start in retirement can set the tone for success.
Pension income can change portfolio risk tolerance.
Understanding personal risk preferences is key to financial planning.
Chapters
00:00Introduction to Sequence of Returns Risk
07:33Understanding the Four Strategies to Manage Risk
17:14Exploring Multiple Sequence of Returns Risks
19:30Portfolio Risk and Pension Considerations
Links
Explore the New RetireWithStyle.com! We’ve launched a brand-new home for the podcast! Visit RetireWithStyle.com to catch up on all our latest episodes, explore topics by category, and send us your questions or ideas for future episodes. If there’s something you’ve been wondering about retirement, we want to hear it!
The Retirement Planning Guidebook: 2nd Edition has just been updated for 2025! Visit your preferred book retailer or simply click here to order your copy today: https://www.wadepfau.com/books/
This episode is sponsored by Retirement Researcher https://retirementresearcher.com/. Download their free eBook, 8 Tips to Becoming A Retirement Income Investor at retirementresearcher.com/8tips