The Immortal Life of Agencies

Today’s guest is Luke McKelvey, Co-Founder and CEO of MIRIMAR – the creative company helping brands achieve cultural significance in a world where traditional advertising isn’t enough. And as of last week, ADWEEK’s newly minted small agency of the year for 2025.Luke reflects on MIRIMAR’s early challenges, from launching ‘too soon’ in 2019 to navigating the pandemic. He also shares how conviction, focus, and a clear filtering system helped them find their footing with the right clients.The conversation breaks down MIRIMAR’s ‘foundation and fame’ model – aligning brand and business, with smart talent partnerships that create impact without relying solely on paid media. Packed with sharp thinking, honest lessons, and a healthy dose of optimism, this is a masterclass in building an agency you truly believe in. HIGHLIGHTS:[02:02] Navigating early challenges[06:58] Ambition over status quo[09:26] The power of clarity[15:51] Foundation and fame[17:58] Positioning as an entertainment agency[26:17] New era of partnerships[29:18] Aligning intent and incentives[35:12] Doubling down on insight[38:47] Why north stars matter[41:21] Making work worth itMORE ABOUT LUKE:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/luke-mckelveyWebsite: mirimarus.comHOST SOCIALS:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/robinbonnTwitter: twitter.com/robonnMORE ABOUT CO:DEFINERY:Website: codefinery.comBook: Market of OneMentioned in this episode:Get Co:definery's diagnostic questionnaireIs your agency  really as differentiated as you think? And have you fully embraced the commercial disruption that AI is bringing? To find out, take five minutes to complete Co:definery's diagnostic questionnaire. It's quick, free, and thought provoking, and you get a tailored report with practical guidance for sharpening your competitive edge. Visit codefinery.com/dqDiagnostic Questionnaire Landing Page

Today’s guest is Richard Huntington – former Chief Strategy Officer and Chairman of Saatchi & Saatchi. He brings a rare blend of honesty, affection and sharp-edged provocation to this conversation about the agency business. Richard describes an industry that’s been commodified – caused by the “creative” agency label that stripped out the commerciality, as well as a pitching culture that trains agencies to give away their most valuable thinking for free.But far from being downbeat, this is a rallying cry for the brilliance inside agencies, and a clear-eyed look at why talent deserves to be paid fairly for the value it creates. From productisation and pricing, to shifting C-suite perceptions, Richard shares his vision for a healthier, more sustainable industry built on confidence, credibility and genuine differentiation.HIGHLIGHTS:[02:20] Advertising’s not dead yet[07:50] Commodified by clients[09:02] Creative as an adjective[17:15] Reclaiming agency swagger[19:41] Collective industry reform[21:56] Rewriting the rules of pitching[24:58] The remuneration shift[28:36] Power of proprietary thinking[34:12] Golden era of startupsMORE ABOUT RICHARD:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/richard-huntington-59a3761b9HOST SOCIALS:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/robinbonnTwitter: twitter.com/robonnMORE ABOUT CO:DEFINERY:Website: codefinery.comBook: Market of OneMentioned in this episode:Market of One If you are a fan of this podcast, then you'll love my new book Market of One, how Your Agency can rewrite the Rules and create a lasting competitive advantage. Sharing my experience, repositioning close to 150 agencies over the last decade. Key Highlights: - Insights from repositioning 150+ agencies - Expert contributions from industry leaders Greg Hahn, Rory Sutherland, and Nils Leonard - Strategies for deeper differentiation and increased profitability Learn how to stand out, win more business, and command premium rates. Don't miss this opportunity! Visit marketofone.agency now and unlock your agency's potential. Diagnostic Questionnaire Landing Page

Today’s guest is Christy Hiler, owner of Cornett – the Lexington-based creative agency – and one of our industry’s leading voices for women-owned agencies. A huge advocate of empowering talent, Christy candidly shares her own unusual journey from being Cornett’s president to its owner, including the convictions that guided her forward – and the doubts that held her back. She talks about the importance of the ‘beautiful but deadly’ venus flytrap in describing what makes Cornett different, as well as her commitment to constant evolution. Christy also describes how the striking stat that only 1% of US agencies are women-owned sparked the creation of ‘Own It’ – a vibrant community, podcast and summit supporting women who run agencies.This is an inspiring story and taking charge and making a real difference to the wider industry. HIGHLIGHTS:[05:27] The underdog spirit[09:38] The venus flytrap idea[13:15] Building long-term relationships[17:33] Women leading differently[21:33] The 'Own It' initiative[28:07] How equity fuels creativity[32:07] Unlocking potential[37:13] Doing things differentlyMORE ABOUT CHRISTY:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christyhilerWebsite: teamcornett.comOwnItHOST SOCIALS:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/robinbonnTwitter: twitter.com/robonnMORE ABOUT CO:DEFINERY:Website: codefinery.comBook: Market of One

Today’s guest is Tyler Turnbull, Global CEO of Interpublic’s FCB – remarkably, the winner of Cannes Lions’ North American Network of the Year for seven years running. Tyler shares the mindset that’s driven this sustained creative and commercial performance. He unpacks where resilience comes from, and how curiosity, experimentation and a willingness to challenge legacy thinking underpins FCB’s momentum. Tyler also offers a refreshingly honest view of client relationships – including the crucial roles of empathy and deep commercial impact. Regardless of whether you’re running a small team or a global network, this is a compelling recipe for ongoing success. HIGHLIGHTS:[02:15] The power of consistency[07:27] Resilience through people[10:10] Reinvention never stops[14:31] Walking in your client's shoes[22:28] Challenging old habits[30:46] Why small steps matter[31:40] Culture built on trying[34:28] Being premium by choice[42:16] Commercial experimentationMORE ABOUT TYLER:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/tylerturnbullWebsite: fcb.comHOST SOCIALS:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/robinbonnTwitter: twitter.com/robonnMORE ABOUT CO:DEFINERY:Website: codefinery.comBook: Market of OneMentioned in this episode:Market of One If you are a fan of this podcast, then you'll love my new book Market of One, how Your Agency can rewrite the Rules and create a lasting competitive advantage. Sharing my experience, repositioning close to 150 agencies over the last decade. Key Highlights: - Insights from repositioning 150+ agencies - Expert contributions from industry leaders Greg Hahn, Rory Sutherland, and Nils Leonard - Strategies for deeper differentiation and increased profitability Learn how to stand out, win more business, and command premium rates. Don't miss this opportunity! Visit marketofone.agency now and unlock your agency's potential. Diagnostic Questionnaire Landing Page

Today’s guest is Zihla Salinas, CEO of a 40-year-old indie that rebranded as ‘Yes&’. She shares the story behind the name, including how the improv-inspired mindset of ‘accept and build’ has become a blueprint for the business. This philosophy shapes everything from their M&A strategy and client partnerships, to leadership development and creative delivery. You’ll hear why figure-it-out-ability, curiosity and positivity are Yes&’s measurable values, not just words on a wall.Zihla also unpacks how Yes& cracked the code for working with complex clients, and how great account service – not just great ideas – is often what makes the difference. HIGHLIGHTS:[02:25] The power of positivity[07:00] The story behind Yes&[11:04] What makes Yes& different[16:10] Figure-Out-Ability[19:30] Communication as a superpower[21:33] Redefining client service[23:12] Spotting positive mindsets[28:42] Cultural alignment in clients[34:46] Learning from success[36:47] Smart cross-selling[40:21] Building strong partnershipsMORE ABOUT ZIHLA:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/zihlaWebsite: yesandagency.comHOST SOCIALS:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/robinbonnTwitter: twitter.com/robonnMORE ABOUT CO:DEFINERY:Website: codefinery.comBook: Market of OneMentioned in this episode:Market of One If you are a fan of this podcast, then you'll love my new book Market of One, how Your Agency can rewrite the Rules and create a lasting competitive advantage. Sharing my experience, repositioning close to 150 agencies over the last decade. Key Highlights: - Insights from repositioning 150+ agencies - Expert contributions from industry leaders Greg Hahn, Rory Sutherland, and Nils Leonard - Strategies for deeper differentiation and increased profitability Learn how to stand out, win more business, and command premium rates. Don't miss this opportunity! Visit marketofone.agency now and unlock your agency's potential. Diagnostic Questionnaire Landing Page

Jarrod Moses, Founder and Global CEO of United Entertainment Group, dives into the fascinating intersection of culture, entertainment, and marketing. He shares insights on structuring partnerships that prioritize authenticity and performance, exploring the importance of emotional connections in branding. Jarrod contrasts UEG’s people-first approach with traditional agency models, discusses the balance of power between creators and brands, and recounts discovering Rihanna. His perspective reveals the nuances of maintaining agency identity while scaling.

Today’s guest is Loren Grossman, Global Chief Strategy Officer of the ‘Solutions Group’ within Publicis Groupe – so he’s right at the centre of how the agency world is evolving.Loren describes a ‘golden age’ of impact, explaining how Publicis has built a future-facing model that goes far beyond marketing communications. From bold acquisitions like Epsilon and Sapient, to their ‘Power of One’ approach that brings every capability together, he shares how the group has worked hard to make integration really work – and how that’s fuelled their relentless new-business success with the likes of Coke and Mars. Packed with insights on leadership, culture and the real opportunities in AI and data, this conversation paints a truly optimistic picture of where agencies are headed and how to stay relevant in a rapidly changing market. HIGHLIGHTS:[02:31] Loren’s role[07:44] Reinventing HoldCo.s[09:26] How structure enables strategy[13:19] Making bold acquisitions[15:01] Integration made practical[22:53] The ‘Power of One’ in action[28:10] Partnership as a differentiator[33:05] Avoiding the AI trap[35:22] Building on CRM’s legacy[39:18] The golden era of impactMORE ABOUT LOREN:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/loren-grossmanWebsite: publicisgroupe.com/frHOST SOCIALS:LinkedIn:  linkedin.com/in/robinbonnTwitter: twitter.com/robonnMORE ABOUT CO:DEFINERY:Site: codefinery.comBook: Market of One

Today’s guest – for our 50th episode! – is Haley Hunter, Co-Founder of Party Land – proudly known as comedy’s greatest ad agency. In this lively conversation, Haley unpacks how humour has become a strategic superpower, not just a punchline.She shares how Party Land went from convincing clients that comedy belonged in advertising to being the go-to agency for those wanting to master it – not least Liquid Death. Haley also dives into the neuroscience behind laughter, explaining how it primes audiences for connection and recall.Beyond the creative side, she reveals how empathy, autonomy and trust fuel Party Land’s remote office set-up – and why comedy is as much about mindset as it is about craft.It’s an inspiring lesson in leading with conviction, creating a new category and finding joy in the serious business of marketing. HIGHLIGHTS:[01:57] Funny as a superpower[04:05] Making the case for comedy[11:08] Owning creative outcomes[13:17] The art of pushing just enough[16:23] Authenticity at work[17:46] Freedom and liberation[25:11] Finding the right people [29:51] Behind the laughter[33:29] The biggest risk in advertising [38:23] Leading with joy and convictionMORE ABOUT HALEY:LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/hihaleyhunterWebsite: partyland.coHOST SOCIALS:LinkedIn:  linkedin.com/in/robinbonnTwitter: twitter.com/robonnMORE ABOUT CO:DEFINERY:Site: codefinery.comBook: Market of OneMentioned in this episode:Market of One If you are a fan of this podcast, then you'll love my new book Market of One, how Your Agency can rewrite the Rules and create a lasting competitive advantage. Sharing my experience, repositioning close to 150 agencies over the last decade. Key Highlights: - Insights from repositioning 150+ agencies - Expert contributions from industry leaders Greg Hahn, Rory Sutherland, and Nils Leonard - Strategies for deeper differentiation and increased profitability Learn how to stand out, win more business, and command premium rates. Don't miss this opportunity! Visit marketofone.agency now and unlock your agency's potential. Diagnostic Questionnaire Landing Page

Jaime Robinson and Lisa Clunie, co-founders of creative agency JOAN, share insights on building 'modern legends' in the branding world. They discuss the golden age of creativity and how disruption is reshaping talent models. Topics include the importance of a strong client-agency fit, the evolving definition of creativity that embraces technology, and the role of AI in fostering innovative leadership. They also highlight the power of mentorship and the potential for pitches to become experimental playgrounds for fresh ideas.

In this conversation, Andrew Swinand, CEO of Inspired Thinking Group and a former Publicis executive, shares insights on the fusion of AI and creativity. He discusses how AI won't replace human creativity but instead facilitates a new creative renaissance. Andrew highlights the challenges traditional agencies face in adopting AI due to the Innovator’s Dilemma. He also emphasizes the importance of operational AI in scaling content while keeping the human element in creativity intact. Expect a deep dive into the evolving landscape of content production and agency innovation.