Over The Edge

Today’s episode features an interview between Matt Trifiro and Mark Thiele, CEO & Founder of EdgevanaFollowing a 30-year career in IT and a post as the executive director of edge cloud at Ericsson’s Edge Gravity unit, Mark founded Edgevana last year with the goal of disrupting the existing processes for selling and buying co-location, edge, and data center services.In this interview, Mark discusses his mission of lowering barriers-to-entry to deploy capability at the edge, the economics of shared infrastructure, and why he says the opportunity associated with the edge could be bigger than the cloud.Key  Quotes“More and more people see the edge as a way to foster engagement with their customers, but also as a way to solve for business problems that people just assumed for years were intractable.”“Cloud is going to continue to grow...but the edge eventually will be like a combination of enterprise workspace and the iPhone or Android store for applications. And the potential permutations of application and application types that could exist in that kind of future are just way beyond the million-plus apps that you would find in one of the phone stores.”“I think cloud will play a bigger and bigger part going forward, but it's not because it'll take away from edge.”“We're entering a world that edge computing is going to open up that I don't think we've ever seen before.”“There is no way that the infrastructure we currently have at the edge will be enough to accommodate the kind of growth we'll see three to four years from now.”“The opportunity associated with companies like Vapor IO and Edgevana is how do we actually get more value out of pre-existing footprint, beyond just the capacity of the existing white space floor.”“I think one of the biggest areas of opportunity is...our ability to recreate life in all of its new forms, not just the remote office, but distributed entertainment in the vehicle, on the road, in the park, at home, whatever the case may be– because once people taste better, there is no going back. I think that that's likely the area where we'll see the most growth and change over the next 18 months.”SponsorsOver the Edge is brought to you by the generous sponsorship of Catchpoint, NetFoundry, Ori Industries, Packet, Seagate, Vapor IO, and Zenlayer.The featured sponsor of this episode of Over the Edge is Zenlayer. Improving user experience doesn't have to be complicated or expensive. Zenlayer helps you lower latency with on-demand edge services in over 150 PoPs around the world. Find out how you can improve your users' experience today at zenlayer.com/edgeLinksConnect with Matt on LinkedInFollow Mark on TwitterConnect with Mark on LinkedIn

Today’s episode features an interview between Matt Trifiro and Chetan Venkatesh, CEO & Co-founder of Macrometa.Macrometa is "Geo Distributed Fast Data As A Service"​ for cross-region, multi-cloud, and edge computing apps.In this interview, Chetan discusses his approach to solving the fundamental problems developers face with cloud-native apps, and how the edge represents a new paradigm for how applications and services are going to be built going forward.Key Quotes“While the cloud is great, there's just a whole class of new things that people want to be able to do that the cloud is fundamentally not a sound platform for, [especially] If you really want to deal with things that are time-sensitive.”“The biggest limitation of our current computing model is that we can only do computing in two places. We can either do it on the device or we can do it in the data center. And there's a vast middle mile between these two places that really doesn't do strategic stuff. It doesn't do anything useful or interesting other than shuffling bits from one place to another. We think that's a really interesting place to bring not just computing, but stateful computing, because the state part of this computing problem is very, very important.”“One of the hidden parts of the edge that nobody really talks about is if you want multicloud, the edge is the place to do it because none of the cloud providers actually have any interest in multicloud. But the edge provides a really interesting place for us to abstract and arbitrate workloads across any cloud provider based on location, latency and regulatory requirements that the customer has for their applications.”“There are three different parts (of this industry) that are rapidly maturing in parallel, and it's all converging towards some sort of a singularity that's going to create an explosion of value. The first part is capital–capital is getting much smarter about this problem and why it matters...The second part is customers are getting smarter...The third part is the ugly secret about the cloud: it's easy to get in, but it's really hard to get out, and if you haven't built an application with scalability in mind (things like) sloppy coding really cost you a lot of money in the cloud.”“The telecom operators really need to supersize their thinking. A lot of them are very much still in a deer-in-the-headlights phase…The place where they're trying to intercept the market has already passed by four years back. If you're not thinking serverless, if you're not thinking developer experience as a telecom operator, I think your big-time screwed.”“Deploying code is deploying capital. It really is in the cloud world. I think that's actually an emerging area for VCs to look at: analyzing code to figure out what does it cost to run at scale.”SponsorsOver the Edge is brought to you by the generous sponsorship of Catchpoint, NetFoundry, Ori Industries, Packet, Seagate, Vapor IO, and Zenlayer.The featured sponsor of this episode of Over the Edge is Packet, an Equinix company. Packet is the leader in bare metal automation. They are on a mission to protect, connect, and power the digital world with developer-friendly physical infrastructure and a neutral, interconnected ecosystem that spans over 55 global markets.  Learn more at packet.com.LinksConnect with Matt on LinkedInFollow Chetan on Twitter 

Today’s episode features an interview between Matt Trifiro and Jason Shepherd, VP of Ecosystem at ZEDEDA, an edge virtualization company offering solutions for IoT Edge orchestration. Jason left his role as CTO of IoT and Edge Computing at Dell Technologies last year to join ZEDEDA, with the stated goal of bringing IoT out of its “AOL stage.”In this interview, Jason discusses the significance of open source collaboration and interconnected ecosystems in scaling IoT and edge adoption.Key Quotes“Open source is the new way to drive standards and standards drive scale. If you don't have some sort of open source model going forward, it's going to be difficult, because ultimately it’s about scaling interconnected ecosystems, and that does not work without open.”“It's about ecosystems. What you want is an ecosystem of lots of participants that all have a shared interest in building a platform upon which they can differentiate. So build one or join one, but either way be a part of one or you're going to struggle going forward.”“Open source in general has just become the modern way to drive standards. Collaboration and open source– that shared technology investment– it minimizes undifferentiated heavy lifting. Stop doing that and start focusing on value. And it helps you create a snowball effect for standardization. What open source is creating is de facto standards. If you get enough people using something, it becomes a de facto standard. It's just a new way of driving that network effect for standardization“The next domino that you have to solve is trust. You've got to figure out a way to scale trust over heterogeneous networks or none of this stuff will ever work. It’s about building trust at scale, and using technology to help you.” “Open source is the new way to drive standards and standards drive scale. Do you think Google didn't make money off Android and all the ad revenue that that ecosystem drove?”“You'll never scale to the grail if you don't take an open path. Even if right now it's about solving  simple problems and creating some value, you'll never get to the ultimate goal of entirely new business transformation across many markets if you don’t have an open base.”SponsorsOver the Edge is brought to you by the generous sponsorship of Catchpoint, NetFoundry, Ori Industries, Packet, Seagate, Vapor IO, and Zenlayer.The featured sponsor of this episode of Over the Edge is Ori Industries. Ori Industries is building the world’s largest edge cloud. Their products power the next generation of intelligent applications through unparalleled access to major communication networks worldwide. Ori is laying the foundations for application developers to seamlessly deploy to uncharted edge computing infrastructure across the globe. Learn more at ori.coLinksConnect with Matt on LinkedInFollow Jason on TwitterLF Edge taxonomy white paperProject EVE at LF EdgeEVE in the MarketProject Alvarium

Today’s episode features an interview between Matt Trifiro and Dean Bubley, Founder and Director of Disruptive AnalysisDean is an independent technology industry analyst, futurist, speaker and consultant with over 25 years of experience.In this interview, Dean gives us his unfiltered views on Edge, IoT, 5G, their intersection with the telecoms industry, and why the future is going to be a lot messier than you think.Key Quotes“Everything is going to be a messy hybrid; deeply inelegant and based on sort of midterm pragmatism, messed up by acquisitions, with awkwardness around local authorities and this real mess of overlapping jurisdictions and property rights and incumbency. It's going to be messy.”“My main perspective is that latency is perhaps not the be all and end all we thought it was initially. And that actually it’s things like data sovereignty, security and control by enterprise, and this idea of interconnection is more important than people thought it was a few years ago.”“One thing I often have a conversation with people about on edge is trying to calibrate where they are on the scale. I often say that edge has maybe nine orders of magnitude. I've spoken to people who think of edge as a megawatt data center in a tier three city. Down to other people who think it's a milliwatt processor on a chip, on a sensor. And so I'm like, right, you've got nine orders of magnitude, all of which people think that's the edge.”“A lot of my clients are in telecoms and I think they will end up being both sellers and buyers of edge compute. The telecoms industry has to wake up this idea that actually there’s a marketplace, and sometimes it makes sense to be on the buying side and sometimes it makes sense to be on the selling side.”“As much as all telcos chest thump about how they're all building out their 5G networks, it's incredibly expensive and the CFO's office often has a very different opinion than the marketing team's office. What I see as a really big opportunity is shared infrastructure because the economics is so compelling.”“The assumption in the mobile industry is that the edge goes in the network. I actually think that possibly the network goes in the edge, and actually what you might find is these localized data centers that have chunks of each of many different network operators infrastructure in a neutral colo. And so it almost turns the paradigm around.”SponsorsOver the Edge is brought to you by the generous sponsorship of Catchpoint, NetFoundry, Ori Industries, Packet, Seagate, Vapor IO, and Zenlayer.The featured sponsor of this episode of Over the Edge is NetFoundry. What do IoT apps, edge compute and edge data centers have in common?  They need simple, secure networking.  Unfortunately, SD-WAN and VPN are square pegs in round holes.  NetFoundry solves the headache, providing software-only, zero trust networking, embeddable in any device or app. Go to NetFoundry.io to learn more.LinksConnect with Matt on LinkedInFollow Dean on Twitter

Today’s episode features an interview between Matt Trifiro and Malini Bhandaru, who leads open source IoT and Edge efforts at VMware.Malini has a Ph.D. in Machine Learning from the University of Massachusetts, and prior to joining VMware, worked on big data for autonomous driving and OpenStack for cloud infrastructure management at Intel. In this interview, Malini discusses her work in The Open Source Technology Center at VMware, the valuable role that open source plays in IoT and Edge, and interesting use cases for how Edge is solving macro problems.Key Quotes"That's the beautiful thing [about Edge] -- it's everything. It just combines everything, whether it's security, cryptography, blockchain, machine learning, or collecting sensor data that comes across to you from different protocols-- it's just everything."“By making these open source projects and a lot of the infrastructure available, you're opening the flood gates to many more adopters and many more applications and solutions coming to market sooner. ““The IoT edge market's going to grow to a trillion dollars. VMware is keeping its eye on the future when there's going to be more edge adoption and larger edges.”“The telco edge is going to be pretty beefy and it will enable applications like virtual reality and augmented reality and connected cars. Some edges are going to be very, very beefy edges with a lot of compute, a lot of knowledge, a lot of storage at that edge.”SponsorsOver the Edge is brought to you by the generous sponsorship of Catchpoint, NetFoundry, Ori Industries, Packet, Seagate, Vapor IO, and Zenlayer.The featured sponsor of this episode of Over the Edge is Vapor IO, the leader in edge computing. We want to be your solution partner for the New Internet. Learn more at Vapor.ioLinksConnect with Matt on LinkedInMalini's Blog at VMwareEdgeX Foundry

Today’s episode features an interview between Matt Trifiro and Mehdi Daoudi, Co-founder and CEO of Catchpoint.Mehdi’s experience in IT leadership at Google and DoubleClick inspired him to build the digital experience platform he envisioned as a user, and Catchpoint has been at the forefront of digital experience monitoring since it’s launch in 2008.In this interview, Mehdi discusses Catchpoint’s cutting-edge approach to monitoring, the user demands that will drive innovation in the third act of the internet,  how the current pandemic will serve as a massive digital accelerator, and much more.Key Quotes“Our mission is that we want to monitor as many things from as many locations as possible...and monitoring needs to be part of business strategy, not monitoring for the sake of monitoring.”“It doesn’t matter what you monitor as long as you monitor it from the right location. So it's very important to monitor things from where the end users are. That's what we focus on at Catchpoint is outcome-based monitoring.”“We focus on four key criteria. Our technology allows you to look at reachability-- can I get to you? If I can get to you, are you up or down? If you're up, how fast or slow are you? And then how reliable are you? And reliability is extremely important. Reliability means are you able to deliver the same quality of service 24/7?”“Having a single CDN vendor is no longer an option...I’m surprised by how fast that movement has taken off-- before it was reserved for a few large, super sophisticated companies...but today literally everybody I talk to is doing multi-CDN, multi-cloud.”“I think this pandemic has shown the need for better data, better network connectivity, better end-user experiences. It is a digital accelerator that no industry has ever seen. It’s a kick in the butt for all of us to innovate, bring solutions, and deliver on this challenge.”SponsorsOver the Edge is brought to you by the generous sponsorship of Catchpoint, NetFoundry, Ori Industries, Packet, Seagate, Vapor IO, and Zenlayer.The featured sponsor of this episode of Over the Edge is Catchpoint. Catchpoint gives critical knowledge to help optimize the digital experience of your customers and employees. Learn more at catchpoint.com and sign up for a free trial.LinksConnect with Matt on LinkedInFollow Mehdi on Twitter  

Today’s episode features an interview between Matt Trifiro and Joe Zhu, Founder and CEO of Zenlayer.Joe founded Zenlayer in 2014 after 8 years of managing global business for ChinaCache, China’s largest CDN provider.In this interview, Joe discusses Zenlayer’s evolution from edge data center provider to the goal of becoming the world’s #1 edge cloud provider, as well as Zenlayer’s focus on being a truly global company and its unique capability and passion for serving emerging markets.Key Quotes“It’s always been my ambition to become a global company, because my passion is to improve the global user experience, not just individual regions.”“Our choice is to go to emerging markets, so-called underserved markets like India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Russia, Brazil, where the infrastructure is not as good as in what we call mature markets like the U.S., Europe, Japan, Korea. But the user base is huge and their mobile users have dramatically increased year over year, and they have a bigger population as well as a GDP increase.”“Even though our strategy is to go to the emerging markets first, our customers need global coverage. Because the experience is not just for one location. It's going to be for global users.”“Obviously we don't know what's the next killer app yet. There will be a new killer app coming online. Is it a different type of e-commerce or different type of social application or different kind of a live streaming? Just imagine in the future, for example, you and I sitting in the same room, like a projection. But that requires a lot of bandwidth.”SponsorsOver the Edge is brought to you by the generous sponsorship of Catchpoint, NetFoundry, Ori Industries, Packet, Seagate, Vapor IO, and Zenlayer.The featured sponsor of this episode of Over the Edge is Zenlayer. Improving user experience doesn't have to be complicated or expensive. Zenlayer helps you lower latency with on-demand edge services in over 150 PoPs around the world. Find out how you can improve your users' experience today at zenlayer.com/edgeLinksConnect with Matt on LinkedInFollow Zenlayer on Twitter

Today’s episode features an interview between Matt Trifiro and Jacob Smith. Jacob is a co-founder at Packet and currently serves as Vice President of bare metal strategy and marketing. Jacob co-founded Packet in 2014 with the goal of democratizing hyperscale infrastructure capabilities. Since then Packet has been one of the early leaders in edge computing for business, and earlier this year was acquired by Equinix.In this interview, Jacob discusses the founding of Packet and the vision for bringing the world of software into the world of physical networks, cloud infrastructure as a craft, what he sees as the next stages of edge computing, and much more.Key Quotes“We're inviting more people in, and especially with the edge, it's a huge opportunity to bring the world of software into the world of physical networks that currently power the internet.”“The idea of the buyer being different, software getting way big, infrastructure getting more specialized-- this all led us to think, ‘How do we get out of the way? How do we focus on delivery model? How do we focus on fundamental things?’ And that's really what we set out to do. That's what led us to the edge.”“I'll bet on software anytime. I think that properly served up access, innovation will occur. There are a lot of innovation-minded people touching internet infrastructure.”“Instead of guessing the use cases, I think it's better to look at how to be more open. Look at what the clouds have done super well-- they've created ecosystems. I think we can create the same mindset-- this diverse, totally Wild West, weird, special world called the edge.”LinksConnect with Matt on LinkedInConnect with Jacob on LinkedIn SponsorsOver the Edge is brought to you by the generous sponsorship of Catchpoint, NetFoundry, Ori Industries, Packet, Seagate, Vapor IO, and Zenlayer.The featured sponsor of this episode of Over the Edge is Packet, an Equinix company. Packet is the leader in bare metal automation. They are on a mission to protect, connect, and power the digital world with developer-friendly physical infrastructure and a neutral, interconnected ecosystem that spans over 55 global markets.  Learn more at packet.com.

Today’s episode features an interview between Matt Trifiro and Galeal Zino, CEO and Founder of NetFoundry.Galeal has been a founder and executive for the past 15 years, leading teams that developed the world’s largest VoIP network and built global voice and video communications services.In this interview, Galeal discusses NetFoundry’s mission to enable innovation, the importance of zero trust networking, his views on the future of edge technology, and much more.Key Quotes: “At the base layer, NetFoundry enables innovation. Networking gets in the way of innovation. I've been doing it 20 years, and it's difficult, but we take the networking headache out of the equation. ““If we try to look at edge in a vacuum, like ‘I'm just going to do all my edge computing in the corner of my store-‘ that's probably not really the right vision. You’re going to have to do a whole lot of compute in other places. Edge data centers, core cloud, et cetera. It really is a continuum.”“The edge is becoming part of the internet…some of the really awesome innovations that are happening on the device or user side of the network-- autonomous cars, robotics, IOT devices-- the power of those innovations is unlocked when it connects to the rest of the innovations that are happening at the cloud”SponsorsOver the Edge is brought to you by the generous sponsorship of Catchpoint, NetFoundry, Ori Industries, Packet, Seagate, Vapor IO, and Zenlayer.The featured sponsor of this episode of Over the Edge is NetFoundry. What do IoT apps, edge compute and edge data centers have in common?  They need simple, secure networking.  Unfortunately, SD-WAN and VPN are square pegs in round holes.  NetFoundry solves the headache, providing software-only, zero trust networking, embeddable in any device or app. Go to NetFoundry.io to learn more.LinksConnect with Matt on LinkedInFollow Galeal on Twitter

In today’s episode, you’ll be introduced to the hosts of Over the Edge: Ian Faison, CEO of Caspian Studios, and Matt Trifiro, Chief marketing officer at Vapor IO, Co-creator of the State of the Edge report, and co-founder of the open glossary of edge computing.On this episode, Ian and Matt discuss the current state, and future of edge computing, the vision for this podcast, and why now is an inflection point for the Edge community.Key Quotes: “Humans operate in ones of seconds or fractions of a second, but for a machine that's actually a glacial amount of time. The kind of latencies that machines care about is milliseconds, microseconds, and sometimes even nanoseconds.”“In this era that we're entering now, with what we predict to be billions of things that need to be analyzed in near real-time, generating copious amounts of data 24/7, there's a demand for a new kind of processing, and this demand has created this entire market for edge computing.”“Edge computing is a very important evolution in the internet and the way that we interact with our world using computers.“Things change quickly, so having a weekly podcast that is authoritative and takes the time and the patience to go really deep with practice area experts is really important…The timing is perfect to come up with a podcast and bring that diversity of voices to a global audience.”SponsorsOver the Edge is brought to you by the generous sponsorship of Catchpoint, NetFoundry, Ori Industries, Packet, Seagate, Vapor IO, Zenlayer.The featured sponsor of this episode of Over the Edge is Vapor IO, the leader in edge computing. We want to be your solution partner for the New Internet. Learn more at Vapor.ioLinksState of the EdgeConnect with Matt on LinkedInFollow Ian on Twitter