
Leadership Conversations by TSB
The Sustainability Board (TSB) is an independent think tank, supporting sustainable leadership and governance.
Our reports, intelligence, dialogues, and community aim to drive accountability for a sustainable future.
We are particularly interested how leaders and boards respond to the environmental, social, and governance (ESG) agenda of their stakeholder ecosystem.
Leadership Conversations is the podcast by TSB. In this series we interview global leaders who advocate for more positive societal impact and responsible business.
Leadership Conversations is hosted by Frederik Otto and Helena Gudjonsdottir.
We have been selected by Feedspot as one of the Top 60 Sustainable Business Podcasts on the web: https://blog.feedspot.com/sustainable_business_podcasts/
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Latest episodes

Dec 14, 2022 • 36min
Laura Liswood on the world's most powerful women
In our anniversary episode, we speak to a world leader of women empowerment, diversity, leadership, and inclusion- Laura Liswood is the Secretary General of the Council for Women World Leaders and a former Senior Advisor of Goldman Sachs.
Laura is a veteran of the gender equality movement and a confidant to the worlds powerful. Her style of explaining systemic concepts is second to none. Wonder what an elephant and a mouse have to do with leadership?

Nov 23, 2022 • 26min
Jessica Cheam on Sustainable Strategy Implementation in APAC
Jessica is the Founder and Managing Director of Eco-Business, Asia Pacific's leading independent media and business intelligence organisation dedicated to sustainable development. She also is a Non-Executive Director on the board of ComfortDelGro, one of the world's largest land transport companies. Jessica is talking to us about bold sustainability strategy and challenges around implementation. She shares an Asian centric perspective on how businesses are changing in the region and how to foster environmental and social governance (ESG).

Nov 2, 2022 • 25min
Fiona Reynolds on responsible finance
In this episode we speak with Fiona Reynolds. As the previous CEO of the UN PRI, Fiona was incremental in designing the approach to responsible investment globally.
Fiona was named one of the 20 most influential people in sustainability globally by Barron’s magazine and has twice been named one of Australia’s one hundred women of influence by the Australian Financial Review.
Fiona talks to us about her mission to democratise wealth, and how she got into sustainable finance. We learn more about her legacy at PRI and how she thinks the industry is evolving.
Fiona also shares the story of two leaders who inspire her: James & Timea, who she met as the commission chair of the FAST initiative: https://www.fastinitiative.org/
James Kofi Annan: https://challengingheights.org
Timea Nagy Payne: https://www.timeascause.com/

Sep 20, 2022 • 28min
Karen Loon on Diversity & Inclusion
In this episode we deep dive into Diversity and Inclusion (D&I). We speak with Karen Loon, Non-Executive Director, Author, and Diversity Expert.
Karen has been involved with diversity initiatives for many years, and just released her debut book: “Fostering Culturally Diverse Leadership in Organisations - Lessons from Those Who Smashed the Bamboo Ceiling”. She provides us with a personal narrative and offers insights into different approaches to D&I. We also discuss the importance of diverse leadership and creating equal opportunities for people from all backgrounds. Lastly, Karen shares her views on trends in the boardroom.

Aug 17, 2022 • 30min
Jeannette Lichner on the 'S' in ESG
In this episode we speak with Jeannette Lichner, who has a diverse portfolio career which includes serving as a non-executive director on the board of the UK Financial Conduct Authority, providing corporate governance and strategic advice, and teaching leadership and governance.
Jeannette is talking to us about societal concerns, particularly the social side (the ‘S’ in ESG), and shares some related research she was involved in: ‘The Everyone Economy’.
She also articulates important points to focus on when trying to foster a sustainability strategy, good leadership, purpose, and the role of capital markets and finance.

Jul 6, 2022 • 29min
Future Ready Boards 4: Helen Pitcher OBE
In the fourth part of our Future Ready Boards series, we speak with Helen Pitcher OBE. Helen is an experienced Chair, Board Member, Board Facilitator and Coach. We talk about the challenges that boards are facing, and how to setup good environmental and social governance. Helen has some useful advice on how to prepare for future board service and the trends that any board member or aspiring NED should follow. She also informs on the importance of board education and how INSEAD responds to leader’s increased interest in ESG. Lastly, we learn a leadership lesson from Napoleon.

Jun 21, 2022 • 27min
Future Ready Boards 3: Patricia Rodrigues Jenner
In the third part of our future ready board series, we feature Patricia Rodrigues Jenner who is a Non-Executive Director, Investment and ESG Specialist. Patricia is currently appointed at Legal & General Assurance Society Ltd, AERIF plc, GLIL Infrastructure and African Infrastructure Investment Manager.
Patricia is talking to us about the urgently needed energy transition, and the opportunity of infrastructure investment as well as ways to implement change faster. She also shares how she approaches good environmental and social governance with fellow board members, and what she does personally to be an authentic sustainable leader.

Jun 8, 2022 • 29min
Future Ready Boards 2: Paul Washington of The Conference Board
In our second part of our Future Ready Board series we speak to Paul Washington, Executive Director of the Environmental, Social and Governance Center at The Conference Board. Paul explains to us how the relationship between NGOs, government and business has changed. We also speak about what makes a sustainable board and what challenges lie ahead. Paul gives us some examples of specific stakeholder groups and how the dynamics between these players has changed the corporation.
All links to Paul’s cited research can be found on our website: https://www.boardreport.org/post/future-ready-boards-paul-washington-of-the-conference-board

May 24, 2022 • 31min
Future Ready Boards: Dr Pamela Ravasio
In this episode, and first of our ‘future ready boards’ special we speak with Dr Pamela Ravasio- Executive & Board Advisor, Author, Speaker, and Non-Executive Director. She talks to us about the importance of future proofing businesses for a rapidly changing world, and what future ready boards and ESG preparedness mean. Pamela shares insights into some unresolved issues around fiduciary duty and ESG, and what conversations she has with INSEAD IDN alumni.

May 10, 2022 • 37min
Matt Fullbrook on boardroom disruption and one minute wisdom
We speak with Matt Fullbrook, an experienced corporate governance advisor, researcher, and educator with two decades of experience. Matt shares with us how he was appointed at a very young age to lead the Rotman School of Management’s corporate governance centre. We talk about his journey of over 200 board effectiveness engagements and why he rejects ’best practice’.
We learn more about Matt's podcast "One Minute Governance" and how it was created to provide inclusive and accessible content on corporate governance.
Matt also is a bass player in the funk band: KC Roberts and The Life Revolution. We play one of his songs at the end of the episode. It’s a great sound!
‘One Minute Governance’ can be accessed here: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/one-minute-governance/id1536473345
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