
The Social-Engineer Podcast
The Social-Engineer Podcast is about humans. Understanding how we interact, communicate and relay information can help us protect, mitigate and understand social engineering attacks
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Mar 31, 2025 • 46min
Ep. 260 - The SE ETC Series - Suffering Through a Romance Scam with Nadja El Fertasi REPLAY
REPLAY (Original Air Date May 27, 2024) *Please note that this episode contains discussions regarding abuse that some may find disturbing. Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Join Chris as he discusses topics and news pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. Today, Chris is joined by Nadja El Fertasi. Nadja is a leading figure in fostering emotional resilience within the digital age. Her comprehensive expertise spans crisis management, strategic stakeholder communication, and emotional intelligence, creating a unified approach to enhance the human side of digital advancements. Having spent nearly two decades at NATO, including a significant role in the NATO Communications and Information Agency focusing on Digital Transformation & Cybersecurity, Nadja has been a pivotal figure in strategic engagement and communications. This role highlighted her commitment to navigating and leading through the complexities of cybersecurity and digital transformation. With over 15 years dedicated to cybersecurity at NATO, Nadja has emerged as a respected expert in her field. Her contribution to the cybersecurity community was acknowledged in "Hacking Gender Barriers: Europe’s Top Cyberwomen," by the Women4Cyber foundation, which recognized her as one of Europe's influential figures in cybersecurity. Today, Nadja is the voice behind the EQ Elevator Podcast, where she assists businesses in cultivating leadership that's resilient and equipped for the digital age's challenges. Her work is dedicated to shaping a safer, more emotionally intelligent digital landscape, where individuals and organizations can thrive amidst technological disruptions. [May 27, 2024] 00:00 - Intro 00:19 - 2024 State of Vishing Report 01:01 - Intro Links - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:11 - Nadja El Fertasi Intro 05:02 - The Importance of Sharing 07:14 - Romance Scam: Nadja's Story 13:51 - The Other Side 15:59 - The Red Flags 19:13 - A Gift and a Curse 23:22 - Taking Responsibility 25:24 - Love, Not Romance 27:05 - Navigating the Apps 32:28 - Reality Check 37:27 - Being Human 39:39 - Learning From "No" 41:28 - Where to Report 42:25 - Wrap Up 43:58 - Find Nadja El Fertasi Online - LinkedIn: in/nadja-elfertasi - Instagram: @nadjafertasi 45:17 - Outro - www.social-engineer.com - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online - Chris Hadnagy - Twitter: @humanhacker - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

Mar 17, 2025 • 35min
Ep. 297 - Security Awareness Series - Quantifying and Owning Risk with Roy Luongo
Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Roy Luongo. Roy is the Chief Information Security Officer for the United States Secret Service. He leads a team in the defense and information assurance of all USSS information systems and solutions. Prior to his current role he was the Director, Joint Mission Operations Center for Cyber Command, providing oversight of mission critical Cyber Operations infrastructures. He has also served as Chief, NSA Red Team and Technical Director for Interactive Operations for the NSA. Roy is a retired Army soldier with 20 years’ service within the Intelligence and Cyber career fields. [March 17, 2025] 00:00 - Intro 00:17 - Intro Links: - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 01:55 - Roy Luongo Intro 02:44 - The Path to CISO of the Secret Service 04:58 - Cybersecurity in Early Education 07:50 - The Entry Level Catch-22 12:24 - Quantifying Risk 14:27 - The Best Way Forward 16:51 - The Effects and Future of AI 20:06 - Understanding Your Needs 22:11 - Advise to Young Roy 24:56 - The Cost of Training 29:01 - Mentors - Ed Skoudis - Brigadier General Brian D. Vile - Shawn Turskey 29:55 - Lollipop Moments - TEDxToronto - Drew Dudley "Leading with Lollipops" 31:33 - Book Recommendations - Cybersecurity Canon - Rick Howard - Kingpin - Kevin Poulsen - Turn the Ship Around! - L. David Marquet 33:49 - Wrap Up & Outro - www.social-engineer.com - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Mar 10, 2025 • 39min
Ep. 296 - Human Element Series - The Imagination Dilemma with Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos
Today we are joined by Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos. Dr. Kostopoulos is a globally recognized strategist that brings clarity and context as to what is on the horizon. Her unique expertise at the intersection of emerging technology, security and macro-trends has been sought by the United Nations, U.S. Special Operations, the European Commission, NATO, multi-nationals, tech companies, design agencies, academia, such as MIT and Oxford Saïd Business School, and foreign governments. She helps her clients understand new technologies, emerging value chains, and contextualizes the convergences of our time. She founded the boutique consultancy Abundance Studio and has experience working in the US, Europe, Middle East and East Asia. [March 10, 2025] 00:00 - Intro 00:19 - Intro Links - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 02:10 - Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos Intro 03:30 - From Counter Terrorism to Conflict Landscapes 05:35 - The Imagination Dilemma 09:13 - Technological Tit for Tat 11:38 - Four Facets of Imagination 12:18 - Facet 1) Identity 13:36 - Facet 2) Convergence 15:38 - Facet 3) Humanity 16:48 - Facet 4) Dreams 18:18 - Turning Crisis Into Strategy 22:39 - Being Human 26:04 - Future-Proofing Organizations 29:51 - Real Value Proposition 31:26 - Webinar Series - Website: imaginationdilemma.com - YouTube: @ImaginationDilemma 32:12 - Find Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos online - Website: abundance.studio - LinkedIn: in/lydiak - Instagram: @HiLydiak 32:46 - Book Recommendations - The 100-Year Life - Andrew Scott & Lynda Gratton - Imagination Dilemma - Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos 37:02 - Mentors - Parents - Women Suffragists 38:15 - Guest Wrap Up & Outro - www.social-engineer.com - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Mar 3, 2025 • 34min
Ep. 295 - The Doctor Is In Series - Bystander Effect
Dive into the intriguing world of the bystander effect! Discover how group dynamics and fear often hold people back from intervening in emergencies. Explore the role of technology, like CCTV, in shaping our reactions, and why online anonymity complicates cyberbullying responses. The discussion reveals how gender dynamics impact willingness to act and emphasizes the need for clear communication and education to combat apathy. Personal stories further illustrate the power of empathy in human interactions.

Feb 24, 2025 • 22min
Ep. 294 - The 4th Monday Series - Accidentally Wes Anderson with Wally Koval
Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The 4th Monday Series with Chris Hadnagy and Mike Holfeld. Chris and Mike will be covering cutting edge global news to help people remain safe, secure and knowledgeable in a world where it is hard to know what is real and what is fake news. Today Chris and Mike are joined by Wally Koval. Wally is the founder and creator of Accidentally Wes Anderson (AWA), a popular visual storytelling platform inspired by filmmaker Wes Anderson's distinctive aesthetic. Since its launch on Instagram in 2017, AWA has grown into a global community of nearly two million people, leading to multiple bestselling books, and large-scale exhibitions on 5 continents. [Feb 24, 2025] 00:00 - Intro 00:33 - Mike Holfeld Intro 02:25 - Today's Guest: Wally Koval 04:05 - Topic of the Day: Accidentally Wes Anderson - Accidentally Wes Anderson - Wally Koval 08:13 - From Your Phone to a Book 09:57 - Multiple Languages, Multiple Exhibitions 12:04 - Adventures - Accidentally Wes Anderson: Adventures - Wally Koval 12:50 - From Wes, With Love 14:08 - The Community...plus Jeff Goldblum 16:05 - Remember to Pinch Myself 18:06 - Shifting Perspective 19:12 - Find Wally Koval Online - Website: accidentallywesanderson.com - Instagram: @accidentallywesanderson 19:29 - Wrap Up 20:58 - Next Month: Nancy Hecht 21:34 - Outro - www.social-engineer.com - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online: - Chris Hadnagy - Twitter: @humanhacker - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

Feb 17, 2025 • 33min
Ep. 293 - Security Awareness Series - From Banker to Spy to Cyber Security Expert with Peter Warmka
Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Peter Warmka. Peter is a Former Senior Intelligence Officer with the CIA with over 20 years’ experience in breaching the security of organizations overseas. Peter is the founder of the Orlando-based firm Counterintelligence Institute, LLC and an Adjunct Professor at Webster University’s Masters Cybersecurity Program. Peter is passionate about using his expertise in helping city, state, and federal government entities, non-profits, academic institutes, private companies, and individuals safeguard their sensitive proprietary and/or personal data. He is also the author of two books. [Feb 17, 2025] 00:00 - Intro 00:21 - Intro Links: - Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ - Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ - Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ - Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb - CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ - innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 02:25 - Peter Warmka Intro 03:14 - Getting Recruited 12:11 - Working Above Cybersecurity 21:33 - Identifying Potential Candidates 23:20 - Tip to CISO's: Learn About AI 25:17 - The Importance of Guardrails 28:37 - Peter's Books - Confessions of a CIA Spy - Peter Warmka - Why Are You Messing With Me? - Peter Warmka 31:10 - Find Peter Warmka online - LinkedIn: in/peterwarmka - Website: counterintelligence-institute.com 32:18 - Wrap Up & Outro - www.social-engineer.com - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

Feb 10, 2025 • 43min
Ep. 292 - Human Element Series - Rejection is Protection with Erica Rooney
Erica Rooney, a leadership dynamo and gender equality advocate, dives deep into the challenges women face in defining success and navigating societal expectations. She discusses systemic pay gaps and offers actionable solutions for creating equitable workplaces. With her SNAP framework, Erica encourages listeners to break through limiting beliefs and trust their instincts. She also shares inspiring book recommendations that empower women, and highlights the critical role of mentorship in personal and professional growth. Get ready to reframe your narrative!

Feb 3, 2025 • 46min
Ep. 291 - The Doctor Is In Series - The Power of Shame with Megan Barry
Megan Barry, former mayor of Nashville and author of "It’s What You Do Next," discusses her profound journey after losing her son to a drug overdose. She explores the complex emotions of shame and resilience, particularly as they relate to women and societal expectations. Barry emphasizes the importance of treating addiction as a disease, advocating for vulnerability and connection as keys to healing. Her memoir serves as a testament to transforming personal pain into strength, while encouraging open dialogue on substance use and recovery.

Jan 27, 2025 • 28min
Ep. 290 - The In This Corner Series - Staying Safe in a Crazy World
Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The In This Corner Series with Chris Hadnagy and Mike Holfeld. Chris and Mike will be covering cutting edge global news to help people remain safe, secure and knowledgeable in a world where it is hard to know what is real and what is fake news. Today Chris and Mike are joined by Sheriff Kevin Beary, a retired Sheriff from Orange County, Florida after sharing 49 years in law enforcement. He is a part of 5 generations of law enforcement and has worked for corporations such as the Kennedy Space Center. Throughout his career he has worked as a SWAT Commander and has served on a Domestic Security Task Force. In his personal life Sheriff Beary has been married for 42 years and has 4 children and 5 grandchildren. [Jan 27, 2025] 00:00 - Intro 00:19 - Mike Holfeld Intro 00:54 - Topic of the Day: Safety in Today's World 02:26 - Today's Guest: Kevin Beary 04:57 - Preparing for the Pro Bowl 08:53 - An Evolving Threat 11:23 - The Role of the Web 14:37 - More Than Just Policing 18:45 - Individual Responsibility 23:38 - Say Something 25:37 - Wrap Up & Outro - www.social-engineer.com - www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online: - Chris Hadnagy - Twitter: @humanhacker - LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy

Jan 20, 2025 • 43min
Ep. 289 - Security Awareness Series - The Good The Bad and The Ugly CISOs with David Holtzman
David Holtzman, a former CTO for Network Solutions and a cybersecurity advisor, shines a light on the evolving threat landscape. He discusses the critical differences among CISOs and the essential qualities that make a good one. AI's rising influence in cybersecurity and how Web3 could revolutionize the field are key topics. Holtzman also addresses the vulnerabilities of blockchain technology and the implications of cloud transitions, making this conversation a rich blend of insight and foresight.