Capital Allocators – Inside the Institutional Investment Industry

Margaret Chen is the Head of CA Capital Management, Cambridge Associates' $20 billion Outsourced Chief Investment Officer (OCIO) business. She has spent twenty years at Cambridge Associates, which was her first and only stop in the investment business after getting started in the working world as a management consultant at Coopers & Lybrand Consulting. Our conversation covers Margaret's career path, her evolution from a consultant to a principal, the value proposition of an OCIO, measuring performance, and the tension between being the same and being different for clients. Margaret has the ear of almost everyone in our field, and brings incredible perspective to addressing the key issues allocators face. For more episodes, go to capitalallocatorspodcast.com/podcast Follow Ted on twitter at @tseides

I've received several emails over the last bunch of months asking for my take on the investing world and the topics we cover on the show. Fortunately, I've had a chance to appear as a guest on a few other podcasts, and thought I would share some of those conversations from time to time. About a year and a half ago, Patrick O'Shaughnessy interviewed me to discuss the book I wrote on his amazing podcast, Invest Like the Best. The discussion quickly turned to a deep dive on hedge funds - past, present and future. We subsequently recorded two other conversations. For the first, I asked him to interview me about the Buffett Bet. You can find that conversation on Episode 5. In the second, Patrick interviewed me alongside our friend and star micro private equity investor, Brent Beshore. You can find that entertaining conversation at Invest Like the Best, Episode 30. For more episodes, go to capitalallocatorspodcast.com/podcast Follow Ted on twitter at @tseides

Chris Acito is the CEO and CIO of Gapstow Capital Partners, a credit-focused investment organization. Chris started his career as a management consultant and traversed to focus on asset management consulting around the founding of Casey, Quirk, and Acito. He switched to the buy side focusing on hedge funds in the years leading up to the financial crisis and started Gapstow in 2009. Our wide-ranging conversation starts with Chris' background and moves to the formation of a credit focused firm in the thick of the financial crisis. We discuss the credit landscape today, shift from legacy to new issue opportunities, existential crisis in investment grade paper, liquidity, ETFs, credit as an asset class, credit-specific due diligence, and the next distressed cycle. For more episodes, go to capitalallocatorspodcast.com/podcast Follow Ted on twitter at @tseides

Paul Sonkin and Paul Johnson are investors, professors, and co-authors of Pitch the Perfect Investment. Paul Sonkin is an analyst and portfolio manager at GAMCO Investors and has researched small, micro, and nanocap companies for a quarter century. He taught for 16 years at Columbia Business School. Paul Johnson runs advisory firm Nicusa Investment Advisors, and previously was a top-ranked sell side analyst, hedge fund manager, and an investment banker across 35 years. He also taught 2,000 students across 40 classes at Columbia Business School and Fordham University, and has received a host of awards for his prowess in the classroom. Their recently released book is the first I've come across that reverse engineers a portfolio manager's thought process. It starts with crystal clear first principles of business analysis and covers everything an analyst needs to know to identify a great stock. Then, Paul and Paul describe how portfolio managers assess ideas. Their framework is targeted for analysts starting their careers in the field, but seasoned portfolio managers and allocators both will also learn a lot about communication with their teams from the clear descriptions and colorful examples in the book. Our conversation covers the concept of the book, the wisdom of crowds, getting an 'edge', the four questions every portfolio manager needs to answer, and the role of creativity in investing. These gifted professors offer clear terminology for investment first principals and along the way offer a renewed appreciation for how difficult it is to beat the markets. For more episodes, go to capitalallocatorspodcast.com/podcast Follow Ted on twitter at @tseides

Meredith Jenkins is the Chief Investment Officer of Trinity Wall Street, where she oversees $5.5 billion of the church's endowment and real estate assets. Before taking the helm as Trinity's first CIO, she was the co-CIO of Carnegie Corporation of New York, Andrew Carnegie's foundation, from 2011 to 2016. She joined Carnegie in 1999 as its first investment associate and was an integral part of the build-out of the Corporation's investment capability under its first CIO. During the period, Meredith spent four years in Asia as the Corporation's special representative focusing on opportunities in China, Japan, India, Southeast Asia, and Australia. Meredith started her career at Goldman Sachs in investment banking, Sanford Bernstein in research, and Cambridge Associates in consulting before attending Harvard Business School. She currently sits on the Investment Committee of the Wenner Gren Foundation and the Board of Directors of the University of Virginia Investment Management Company. Our conversation starts with Meredith's early career lessons and discusses alignment of interest, standing by managers in difficult times, markers of success, manager research in Asia, the co-CIO structure at Carnegie, and governance in her new challenge of starting an investment office from scratch. Fun loving and smart as a tack, Meredith offers pearls of wisdom through our conversation. For more episodes, go to capitalallocatorspodcast.com/podcast Follow Ted on twitter at @tseides

Larry Mestel is the Founder and Co-CEO of Primary Wave, one of the largest independent full-service entertainment companies. Primary Wave Publishing, the music division Larry oversees, acquires and develops the rights to iconic song titles and works with iconic artists. He has bought assets that include big name hits from Kurt Cobain, Smokey Robinson, Steven Tyler, John Lennon, Def Leppard, Hall & Oates and CeeLo Green. Prior to founding Primary Wave in 2006, Larry spent twenty years in the music industry, serving as COO and GM of Virgin Records, EVP and GM at Arista Records, and COO of Island Entertainment Group. Our conversation discusses the business of investing in music publishing rights, including Primary Wave's target market, due diligence practices, unique approach to growing revenue streams, and transactions. As you might imagine, the music business has plenty of great stories, and Larry shares a few of his gems. For more episodes, go to capitalallocatorspodcast.com/podcast Follow Ted on twitter at @tseides

Dr. Ashby Monk is the Executive and Research Director of the Stanford University Global Projects Center. He is also a Senior Research Associate at the University of Oxford, a Senior Advisor to the Chief Investment Officer of the University of California, and the co-founder of Long Game. Ashby advises sovereign wealth funds and large pension funds, and is involved with a bunch of fin tech companies, all of which attempt to create innovative solutions to fixing the financial future for individuals, pensions and countries in the years ahead. Our conversation starts with Ashby's early work experience and path through academia, and flows into an exploration of next generation, lower cost approaches to active management for large asset owners. We touch on investing in public equity, private equity, venture capital, and hedge funds using examples from the Canadian and Australian pensions, New Zealand Super Fund, and University of California endowment. Lastly, we discuss Long Game, an innovative company seeking to improve personal savings in the U.S. Ashby is a passion-driven, creative thinker who rightfully has the ear of some of the most important pools of capital in the world. His ideas will change the way you think about allocating capital. For more episodes, go to capitalallocatorspodcast.com/podcast Follow Ted on twitter at @tseides

Jason Klein is the Senior Vice President and CIO at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, where he oversees the hospital's $4.5 billion in long-term investment assets. Jason has spent the last decade and a half overseeing endowment pools – 9 at MSKCC and 5 at the Museum of Modern Art. Jason got his start in the investment business learning the tools of private equity, and had training as an investment banker, management consultant, and lawyer. Our conversation starts with the distinctive features that drive the investment structure for Memorial Sloan Kettering and flows through core beliefs, asset allocation frameworks and manager selection. Aspects of his due diligence process, including 30 questions and pre-mortem analysis, offer new arrows to an allocator's quiver to those in previous conversations. Jason's curiosity and eagerness to ask questions provides a terrific structure for applying capital allocation to a distinctive pool of capital. For more episodes, go to capitalallocatorspodcast.com/podcast Follow Ted on twitter at @tseides

In this discussion, Ellen Ellison, the Chief Investment Officer of the University of Illinois Foundation, shares her journey from theater aspirations to leading a $1.7 billion investment program. She details the challenges of starting an endowment from scratch, emphasizing governance and timing in a volatile market. A highlight is her insights into agriculture investing, focusing on high-tech innovations and sustainability. Ellen also explores the potential in Japanese equities and shares personal reflections on sports and leadership, illustrating the importance of curiosity and adaptability.

David Barrett is the founder of David Barrett Partners, a leading executive search firm focused exclusively on buy-side asset management. Prior to founding DBP in 2005, he spent 19 years in the search business, including long stints at Russell Reynolds Associates and Heidrick and Struggles. He began his career as a self-professed failed equity research analyst in the early 1980s. David is a graduate of Yale University and Columbia University Business School. In just the last two years, David's firm has completed searches for the Chief Investment Officer positions at Harvard University, Dartmouth College, University of Texas Investment Management Company, TIFF, and the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, each a multi-billion dollar pool of assets. Our conversation explores the search process for senior asset allocators, including the business of search, the interview process, governance structures, and trends. Anyone with a thought to navigating their career will pick up nuggets of insight throughout the conversation. For more episodes, go to capitalallocatorspodcast.com/podcast Follow Ted on twitter at @tseides