Social Selling Made Simple

Real estate pros, if you’re not using LinkedIn to post content, flex your industry expertise, and generate high-quality B2B leads, you’re leaving money on the table. It’s one of the best platforms to grow your brand, so why are so many agents still sleeping on it? Maybe it feels intimidating. Maybe you’re not sure what to say. But here’s the thing: thanks to AI, creating content and making the right connections has never been easier. And yet, so many real estate professionals are still dragging their feet when it comes to using AI, missing out on massive opportunities. Combining LinkedIn with ChatGPT creates the ultimate business intel tool—a tool we would’ve had to shell out thousands for just a few years ago. Now, it’s right at our fingertips.  And the best part?  You don’t need to be a tech whiz or marketing guru to make it work for you. By working on our AI skills and leveraging them on LinkedIn, we can fast-track our way to real estate industry authority—without breaking the bank. So, how do you get past the fear of posting? How can AI help you get better results on LinkedIn? How do you gain the ultimate outreach advantage with a simple prompt?  In this episode, marketing strategist, consultant, and LinkedIn pro Deborrah Ashley is back to share how she’s using ChatGPT to level up her LinkedIn game.    AI provides business intel that used to cost us substantially more money, and now we can get it for little to no cost. -Marki Lemons Ryhal   Things You’ll Learn In This Episode  How to improve your AI skill set  How do we use ChatGPT Projects to train our AI instead of spending money on third-party tools?  How to use AI to boost your LinkedIn visibility  AI makes it easier for us to become industry experts, but many people are still afraid to post. What drives this fear, and how do we overcome it? The LinkedIn outreach cheat code Instead of reaching out to people with crowded inboxes, how do we use ChatGPT to find the contacts no one else is talking to?   Guest Bio Deborrah Ashley is a marketing strategist, consultant, and LinkedIn expert who works with clients to develop B2B and B2C LinkedIn social selling strategies that grow and develop not only their business but their personal brand as well. Deborrah has a background that includes two decades in brand management, marketing communications, and business development, where she used her unique style of positioning and launch strategies to generate over $300 million for companies and start-ups. Deborrah has been featured in a variety of media, including Oprah Magazine, Black Enterprise Magazine, The NY Times, on podcast,s and CNBC for her innovative strategies on gaining a competitive edge and building strategic partnerships and has spoken at summits, conferences, and universities. To learn more about Deborrah, find her on LinkedIn, and head to https://www.theauthoritykit.com/.    About Your Host Marki Lemons Ryhal is a ​​Licensed Managing Broker, REALTOR® and avid volunteer.  She is a dynamic keynote speaker and workshop facilitator, both on-site and virtual; she's the go-to expert for artificial Intelligence, entrepreneurship, and social media in real estate. Marki Lemons Ryhal is dedicated to all things real estate, and with 25+ years of marketing experience, Marki has taught over 250,000 REALTORS® how to earn up to a 2682% return on their marketing dollars. Marki’s expertise has been featured in Forbes, Washington Post, http://Homes.com , and REALTOR® Magazine.   Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm so our show reaches more people. Thank you! 

It’s no secret that real estate commissions have been in the danger zone for a while now. And with moves like Rocket Mortgage snatching up Redfin, it’s clear that real estate professionals need to fight fire with fire. Well thanks to a new dual-licensing program, we might just have the ultimate weapon to turn up the volume on our production!  Most real estate agents have to pass their clients off to a mortgage officer and watch them take a piece of the pie. What if you could handle the whole process yourself, and keep more of the money…all with one simple link?  Here’s the thing: real estate pros who understand the money behind the transaction are way more valuable. By adding loan origination to your toolkit, not only are you protecting your income, but you’re also setting yourself up to earn way more per transaction.  What is the program and how do you get into it? In this episode, I’m joined by Teresa Grobecker, an absolute rockstar in real estate, fintech and proptech. She shares all the details on how to jump on this dual-licensing train, and how it makes us more valuable.    Things You’ll Learn In This Episode  Capture the whole process  Most real estate agents have to refer their buyers to a mortgage officer. What if you controlled the entire process?  Understand the finances  Why are agents who don’t understand the money side of buying/selling homes at a huge disadvantage?  Just another tool in your value-add toolkit  The more skills and competencies we have, the more valuable we are. How do we put ourselves in a position to service more people and earn more money per transaction?    Guest Bio Teresa Grobecker is a recognized innovator in the real estate, fintech, and proptech sectors. With over a decade of experience as a licensed real estate broker and deep expertise in brokerage management, compliance oversight, and technology integration, Teresa has consistently pioneered solutions that bridge the gap between traditional real estate processes and emerging technologies. As the first founder to successfully take a real estate brokerage onto a blockchain, Teresa combines her deep understanding of regulatory requirements with forward-thinking technology strategies to drive operational efficiencies and revenue growth. Her background includes founding and scaling multiple companies in real estate and finance, serving as a venture partner, and contributing as a thought leader in both industries. As the founder of the first online real estate and mortgage brokerage in San Francisco, she showcased her innovative approach. With a background as an equity partner at a global investment bank, Teresa has deep insights into capital markets and has advised the Federal Reserve, SEC, and FHFA on regulatory matters. Additionally, she led three National Association of Realtors portfolio companies during high-growth stages and consulted with Blackstone’s ancillary services, advising bank CEOs and presidents. Her expertise in underwriting loans and enhancing their appeal to secondary and capital markets further strengthens her ability to craft compelling marketing strategies that drive growth. Connect with Teresa on LinkedIn.    About Your Host Marki Lemons Ryhal is a ​​Licensed Managing Broker, REALTOR® and avid volunteer.  She is a dynamic keynote speaker and workshop facilitator, both on-site and virtual; she's the go-to expert for artificial Intelligence, entrepreneurship, and social media in real estate. Marki Lemons Ryhal is dedicated to all things real estate, and with 25+ years of marketing experience, Marki has taught over 250,000 REALTORS® how to earn up to a 2682% return on their marketing dollars. Marki’s expertise has been featured in Forbes, Washington Post, http://Homes.com , and REALTOR® Magazine.   Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm so our show reaches more people. Thank you! 

In this engaging discussion, Celeste Yamile, an AI-assisted personal branding expert with a rich history working with companies like Google and Apple, shares game-changing insights for utilizing LinkedIn. She reveals how to optimize content strategy using ChatGPT to boost real estate leads without the pressure of daily posting. Celeste emphasizes the importance of data-driven decisions over guesswork and offers practical tips on enhancing engagement and personal branding. Discover how to grow your LinkedIn presence intelligently!

In today’s market, every real estate agent is searching for a unique value proposition that will get them more listings and get them paid by buyers.  What most agents don’t know is that they might already have the ultimate value proposition sitting under their noses…or rather sitting in their active listings!  Many homes on the market qualify for down payment assistance, and by simply choosing to hire you as their agent, people could get $20k or more. In other words: some listings have an anointing on them, and you can leverage them to earn six figures. In this episode, I share the strategy real estate agents are sleeping on, and how to implement it in your own business.    Things You’ll Learn In This Episode  The listing anointing  How can we win more sellers and buyers with down payment assistance?  The ultimate client attraction strategy  How do we become so knowledgeable in down payment assistance that people flock to us? How to earn six-figures in real estate Why are agents who are specializing in down payment assistance outearning everyone else? About Your Host Marki Lemons Ryhal is a ​​Licensed Managing Broker, REALTOR® and avid volunteer.  She is a dynamic keynote speaker and workshop facilitator, both on-site and virtual; she's the go-to expert for artificial Intelligence, entrepreneurship, and social media in real estate. Marki Lemons Ryhal is dedicated to all things real estate, and with 25+ years of marketing experience, Marki has taught over 250,000 REALTORS® how to earn up to a 2682% return on their marketing dollars. Marki’s expertise has been featured in Forbes, Washington Post, http://Homes.com , and REALTOR® Magazine.   Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm so our show reaches more people. Thank you! 

No matter what anyone says, owning real estate is still the most powerful way for families to build wealth and transfer it to the next generation. A lot of people would love to own a home, but can’t afford some of the costs that come with the purchase.  Well, there is a solution…down payment assistance gifts from family, work or even your church. A lot of people are sitting on equity or cash reserves that could be the perfect down payment assistance gift for first time home buyers.  This is a great way to put the wealth vehicle that is real estate in motion, and help more people build wealth for themselves. Real estate agents who are knowledgeable about these programs are more likely to win buyers and get paid what they’re worth, which goes a long way right now.  What should we ask every buyer we talk to? What are some of the pockets of funds first time buyers have access to? In this episode, CRA Residential Loan Officer at Associated Bank, Johnita Herndon shares how buyers can get up to $31,500 in down payment assistance, and all the funds that are available right now.    Things You’ll Learn In This Episode  Down payment assistance dos and don’ts  When it comes to down payment assistance gifts, every lender and home loan type is different. How do we make sure we meet the requirements? The gift of homeownership  From churches and employers to family members, there are many sources of down payment assistance. How can real estate professionals use this to increase their value proposition and help their communities? Homeownership is still important Our ancestors built their wealth by owning houses. How can we pass this wealth on to the next generation?   Guest Bio Johnita Herndon is a CRA Residential Loan Officer at Associated Bank, she has over 10 years of banking experience, having served in various capacities within residential lending. Johnita is passionate about working with First Time home buyers, down payment assistance programs, homebuyer education, and rehab/new construction. As a community loan officer, Johnita also works as a liaison to nonprofit organizations that provide homeowner education to low- and moderate-income families. The focus is to create a successful homebuyer through education and counseling. Johnita Grew up on the Westside of Chicago and currently resides in Maywood, IL. Johnita has been a mortgage and loan professional for more than 10 years. Graduating from Olivet Nazarene University with a degree in Economics & Finance. To learn more, call or text 312-401-0702. You can also follow Johnita on Instagram and Facebook.     About Your Host Marki Lemons Ryhal is a ​​Licensed Managing Broker, REALTOR® and avid volunteer.  She is a dynamic keynote speaker and workshop facilitator, both on-site and virtual; she's the go-to expert for artificial Intelligence, entrepreneurship, and social media in real estate. Marki Lemons Ryhal is dedicated to all things real estate, and with 25+ years of marketing experience, Marki has taught over 250,000 REALTORS® how to earn up to a 2682% return on their marketing dollars. Marki’s expertise has been featured in Forbes, Washington Post, http://Homes.com , and REALTOR® Magazine.   Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm so our show reaches more people. Thank you! 

In today’s real estate game, the agents who leverage tech and have a consistent digital presence are always at an advantage. They get more leads, more listings, more referral business and of course, more money.  But with so much tech coming at us all the time, it’s hard to keep up. We can be so overwhelmed that we end up not taking any action at all. Being consistent is the key to success with marketing, but that’s hard to do when we’re overwhelmed. On top of that, tech is just one aspect of our business, not the whole enchilada - how do we use it without losing sight of everything else?  Some agents love real estate and hate the tech, but if they don’t leverage it, they’ll miss out on valuable opportunities…how can they get the best of both worlds?  That’s where Real Estate Influencers come in. This platform makes tech work for us without us having to constantly work at tech. How do we use AI to improve our digital presence?  In this episode, speaker, digital marketing expert and the co-founder at Real Grader, Alex Montalenti returns. He talks about their new tool and how it can help agents get more business and bring consistency to their content creation.  Things You’ll Learn In This Episode  Get deals straight from social media For some agents, social media isn’t just a marketing channel, it’s a source of motivated leads. How does consistency lead to influence and ultimately income? 3 keys to a great digital presence  Why do we need consistency, a hyper-local touch and time in order to get more out of our content? The easiest way to become a real estate influencer As an agent, you already have so much awesome content sitting in your head. How can you leverage AI to get it out of your mind and onto social media? Guest Bio Alex Montalenti is a speaker, digital marketing expert and the co-founder at Real Grader. He is a leading technology innovator, serial entrepreneur, and thought leader in the real estate industry. With more than 20 years of experience, he is responsible for the creation of multiple digital marketing companies and the development of training programs that have reached hundreds of thousands of real estate professionals. Alex focuses on Digital Marketing, Google Reputation, AI and social media Management. His company Real Grader has been recognized on the Inc 5000 list of America's Fastest Growing Companies as #800. They have been featured by Inman, The Real Deal, Inc., RIS Media, Yahoo Finance, and Realtor.com. They won a 2CCX Award for generating over 10 million dollars through a single marketing funnel. Recently they were chosen for the National Association of Realtors(NAR) REACH Program for 2023 and received an investment from NAR. RealGrader now helps real estate professionals leverage digital marketing and technology with their digital optimization, their Influencer program and with Instacard - the video enabled Digital Business Card. They have built over 1 million digital cards for the industry and recently partnered with Anywhere, exp, Berkshire Hathaway and many more top brands. Alex and his team are now on a mission to help 500,000 agents reduce frustration and stress. Their technology and training have helped over 100,000 agents to multiply their business in less than one year with simple yet innovative solutions. Website: https://realestateinfluencers.ai/  To get free guide books on building your digital presence text RG to 516-400-4161.   Alex’s last appearance on the podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONHlK4XuoAE&ab_channel=SocialSellingMadeSimplewithMarkiLemons-Ryhal   About Your Host Marki Lemons Ryhal is a ​​Licensed Managing Broker, REALTOR® and avid volunteer.  She is a dynamic keynote speaker and workshop facilitator, both on-site and virtual; she's the go-to expert for artificial Intelligence, entrepreneurship, and social media in real estate. Marki Lemons Ryhal is dedicated to all things real estate, and with 25+ years of marketing experience, Marki has taught over 250,000 REALTORS® how to earn up to a 2682% return on their marketing dollars. Marki’s expertise has been featured in Forbes, Washington Post, http://Homes.com , and REALTOR® Magazine.   Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm so our show reaches more people. Thank you! 

In any given real estate market in America, there are thousands of non-English speaking buyers who face a huge language barrier in the transaction.  Most of the content, and even the real estate agents themselves only speak English, and that can make the process of buying more overwhelming. What if you could instantly communicate with all these buyers in their own language? The best part: you can do this without learning a new language thanks to AI!  That’s where VoiceFlip comes in. This resource translates 25 languages, making it the perfect companion for a real estate agent who wants to reach more people.  With all the changes in real estate right now, adding value is the only way to stay relevant and competitive. By being more inclusive and breaking down language barriers in the transaction, we’ll get more opportunities.  How does VoiceFlip boost our lead generation? How can we leverage it in the transaction? In this episode, the CEO of VoiceFlip, Kurtis Cicalo shares how real estate agents can leverage their tool to become more valuable in the marketplace.    If you’re in a city with a lot of international and global buyers who don’t speak your language, the more inclusive you become, the more opportunities that will present themselves. -Marki Lemons Ryhal   Things You’ll Learn In This Episode  Become a multilingual agent  One of the best ways to grow your business is to tap into new markets. How does Voiceflip allow us to reach thousands of buyers?  Boost lead engagement and conversion   When people use voice-operated assistants, they give information that’s way more detailed than they would when they type. How can you use this to convert your leads at a higher level?  Eliminate language barriers in the transaction  The real estate transaction is made up of many forms and pieces of information that can be overwhelming. How can Voiceflip make the process less daunting for non-English speaking buyers?    Disclaimer: In this episode, our host refers to the tool as "Voice Clip." Please note the correct name is "VoiceFlip." We apologize for any confusion!   Guest Bio Kurtis Cicalo is the CEO and founder of Voiceflip, a leading innovator in real estate technology. With over 15 years of experience, including work with realtor.ca and the FBI on data accessibility, he has pioneered the development of FLIP, an AI assistant transforming data interaction for real estate professionals. Under his leadership, Voiceflip has secured strategic partnerships, launched successful pilots, and is planning international expansion, all aimed at making critical real estate information more intuitive and accessible. To learn more, visit https://voiceflip.com/ and send an email to kurtis@voiceflip.com.    About Your Host ​​Licensed Managing Broker, REALTORS®, avid volunteer, and Major Donor, Marki Lemons Ryhal is dedicated to all things real estate. With over 25 years of marketing experience, Marki has taught over 250,000 REALTORS® how to earn up to a 2682% return on their marketing dollars. Six-time REALTOR® Conference and Expo featured attendee, one of 100 speakers selected to speak the REALTOR® Conference & Expo five times, and an Inman closing Keynote Speaker. Marki’s expertise has been featured in Forbes, Washington Post, http://Homes.com , and REALTOR® Magazine.   Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm so our show reaches more people. Thank you! 

In today’s influencer-driven landscape, even the most experienced agents are losing deals to newer agents who do one thing differently - posting great content online.  The market doesn’t just reward expertise - it rewards expertise, visibility and consistency, and that can be shown through the content we put out.  Social media content is a valuable asset in our businesses - especially in a down market. It is the marketing vehicle that validates us in the eyes of the consumer, fuels lead generation, reduces our marketing costs and makes us profitable.  In a tough market, it’s tempting to pull back on our marketing efforts, but that actually cuts off a valuable revenue stream. This is the perfect time to double down on marketing and pour into our social media and sphere of influence.  How do we create content that guarantees current and future business? How do we leverage hyper-local, hyper-branded content?  In this episode, I’m joined by the CEO and co-founder of Roomvu, Sam Mehrbod. He shares how their platform (and partnership with ConstantContact) helps agents turn content into a solid source of business.    Things You’ll Learn In This Episode  Entertaining, educational and enduring  If we’re consistent about content creation, it can validate us and reduce our marketing costs. What kind of content should we post to achieve this? Hyperlocal and hyper-branded content Consistency and visibility are really important in today’s real estate market. How does Roomvu help busy agents accomplish this in less time? Never stop marketing  The current real estate market has made many agents slow down or step to the sidelines. Why is this a huge mistake?  How to turn social media into a revenue stream Why do real estate agents who invest in content outearn and outlast everyone else?  Guest Bio Sam Mehrbod is an innovative entrepreneur in real estate technology. As the CEO and Co-Founder of Roomvu, he leads a platform that supports over 200,000 REALTORS® across the USA and Canada by delivering hyperlocal, personalized video content. As a TOP 1% REALTOR® in Greater Vancouver, Sam was recognized as a Medallion Club Member from 2018 to 2023 and ranked in the top 10% of REALTORS® in Greater Vancouver in 2018, 2019, and 2021. As a Forbes Council Member, Sam has shared his insights in prestigious outlets such as the Vancouver Sun, Business in Vancouver, the Daily Hive, Western Investor, CKNW Radio, and Forbes Magazine. To learn more, visit https://www.roomvu.com/.  About Your Host ​​Licensed Managing Broker, REALTORS®, avid volunteer, and Major Donor, Marki Lemons Ryhal is dedicated to all things real estate. With over 25 years of marketing experience, Marki has taught over 250,000 REALTORS® how to earn up to a 2682% return on their marketing dollars. Six-time REALTOR® Conference and Expo featured attendee, one of 100 speakers selected to speak the REALTOR® Conference & Expo five times, and an Inman closing Keynote Speaker. Marki’s expertise has been featured in Forbes, Washington Post, http://Homes.com , and REALTOR® Magazine.   Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm so our show reaches more people. Thank you! 

Homeownership is a dream many aspire to, but sadly don’t have access to due to affordability. Before they can even think of affording a mortgage…getting money for a down payment can be a real struggle.  What a lot of people don’t know is that there are down payment assistance programs that can help them get into a home.  80% of home buyers qualify for down payment help but only 15% actually use it. As agents, this provides a lucrative opportunity to provide a valuable solution.  Down payment help is the perfect marketing message to put in front of buyers right now. We can win more business by leveraging a valuable resource that will get more people into homes, save them lots of money and help them build equity faster.  And it will put more dollars in our own pockets too!   How do we leverage these programs to bring more value to buyers? How does this offering add to our marketing prowess?  In this episode, I’m joined by founder and CEO of Down Payment Resource, Rob Chrane. He shares how we can add down payment assistance to our toolkit.    Things You’ll Learn In This Episode  Closing the 65% home affordability gap  There’s a huge gap between the down payment assistance that’s available and the people who actually use it. What can agents do to get these valuable resources to more people, and how will it put more money in your pocket?  Erase the negativity  A lot of people - agents and consumers alike have negative connotations of FHA programs. How does this negativity rob us of lucrative opportunities?   Another way to add value to buyers  Down payment assistance doesn’t just apply to buyers - it also applies to houses. How can real estate professionals use this to win more business?  Guest Bio Rob Chrane is founder and CEO of Down Payment Resource and a leader in the homeownership affordability space. A 30-year veteran of the real estate and mortgage industries, Chrane launched the only comprehensive database of U.S. homebuyer assistance programs and developed tools that empower lenders, borrowers and real estate professionals to connect homebuyers with affordability programs. Chrane actively collaborates with housing organizations and coalitions such as the Urban Land Institute, National Fair Housing Alliance and the Mortgage Bankers Association’s CONVERGENCE initiative. He is a frequent speaker at national and local events on the topic of homeownership affordability. To learn more about how you can leverage this tool, visit https://downpaymentresource.com/.    About Your Host ​​Licensed Managing Broker, REALTORS®, avid volunteer, and Major Donor, Marki Lemons Ryhal is dedicated to all things real estate. With over 25 years of marketing experience, Marki has taught over 250,000 REALTORS® how to earn up to a 2682% return on their marketing dollars. Six-time REALTOR® Conference and Expo featured attendee, one of 100 speakers selected to speak the REALTOR® Conference & Expo five times, and an Inman closing Keynote Speaker. Marki’s expertise has been featured in Forbes, Washington Post, http://Homes.com , and REALTOR® Magazine.   Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm so our show reaches more people. Thank you!

Since the NAR settlement agreement was announced, agents have sought strategies to deliver the most value to buyers. It's a way to secure more signed buyer agreements and compensation. Employer Assisted Housing is one great option. An "employer-assisted housing program" (EAH) is a benefit offered by some companies where they provide financial assistance to employees towards a down payment on a home, usually in the form of a forgivable loan, This solution creates the ultimate win for companies and workers alike. Companies are always looking for ways to attract and retain talent, and housing assistance is precious. If an agent puts this program in front of companies, they demonstrate value and create a new business pipeline. That's how you stay unbothered by the NAR settlement!  What is employee-assisted housing, and how does it benefit companies, employees, and even entire communities? How do we pitch it to companies?   There’s a lot of money that can help buyers in today’s real estate transaction and it doesn’t have to come from sellers. -Marki Lemons Ryhal   Three Things You'll Learn in This Episode The key to thriving through the settlement Securing a signed buyer representation agreement with an offer of compensation is the key to being compensated when you provide value. How can leveraging employer-assisted housing lead to more income? A solution everyone wants An Employer Assisted Housing program greatly benefits both companies and their workers. Why is it the ultimate win-win for everyone? Two things you need to ask buyers Buyers will compensate agents who can reduce costs and provide a financial solution. How do we make them aware of this solution?   Guest Bio Eboni Killian is the Managing Broker at Sovereign Realty & Management, an Affordable Housing Strategist and Employer Assisted Housing Liaison. She is proud to work for a company that understands that buying, selling and investing in residential real estate is more than a simple transaction. Their team is dedicated to providing exceptional, personalized service for each of our clients. Eboni also helps clients who are interested in creating wealth through residential real estate. To find out more about Employer Assisted Housing send a text to or call 678.860.9408 or connect to Eboni on LinkedIn.    About Your Host ​​Licensed Managing Broker, REALTORS®, avid volunteer, and Major Donor, Marki Lemons Ryhal is dedicated to all things real estate. With over 25 years of marketing experience, Marki has taught over 250,000 REALTORS® how to earn up to a 2682% return on their marketing dollars. Six-time REALTOR® Conference and Expo featured attendee, one of 100 speakers selected to speak the REALTOR® Conference & Expo five times, and an Inman closing Keynote Speaker. Marki’s expertise has been featured in Forbes, Washington Post, http://Homes.com , and REALTOR® Magazine.   Check out this episode on our website, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify, and don't forget to leave a review if you like what you heard. Your review feeds the algorithm so our show reaches more people. Thank you!