

Uncomfortable Collisions with Reality
Nicholas Gruen
In this podcast, Nicholas Gruen discusses the issues of today in a unique way. The three questions we've always got an eye to are
1) What's missing in the way people normally talk about these issues?
2) Where do they fit in the bigger picture, whether that's
* the long history of our species or
* the deeper aspects of the way we're thinking about it and
3) Do these ways of thinking help us improve the world we live in? (Which we often focus on in our shorter 'Policy Provocations' podcasts.)
1) What's missing in the way people normally talk about these issues?
2) Where do they fit in the bigger picture, whether that's
* the long history of our species or
* the deeper aspects of the way we're thinking about it and
3) Do these ways of thinking help us improve the world we live in? (Which we often focus on in our shorter 'Policy Provocations' podcasts.)
Episodes
Mentioned books

Nov 28, 2023 • 1h
The Guru, the Bagman and the Sceptic: A story of quackery and care
I talk with Seamus O'Mahony who has written a unique and marvellous book. It's about the origins of psychoanalysis, and it's the first serious history I've ever read that is written as a comedy! O'Mahony brings this off brilliantly, and it enables him to skewer the madness and quackery of the early psychoanalysts without any self-righteousness. In the background of all this is O'Mahony's experience as a (now retired) doctor, older and wiser than when he began. The hero of the book is the now obscure Wilfred Trotter, a man of prodigious natural gifts both intellectual and practical. He baled out of psychoanalysis early and went onto become the greatest English surgeon of his generation while remaining a model of modesty and self-restraint, unlike the other two protagonists of the story. In the end, he stands for the centrality and the indispensability of care in medicine. And yet, as O'Mahony laments, care receives short shrift in modern medicine. All up a marvellous conversation. If you want to dive in from the deep end, start from the 16.04 minute timestamp below.
00:00 Trailer
01:00 Unlocking the Writer's Journey: From Medicine to Literature
06:21 The Intersection of Medicine and Writing: A Personal Reflection
11:24 Critiquing Modern Medicine: The Golden Age and Beyond
16:05 The Making of a Masterpiece: Trotter, Jones, and Psychoanalysis
21:26 Behind the Book: Unearthing Letters and Lives
26:53 Psychoanalytic Pioneers: The Congress and Contrasting Views
31:14 Wilfred Trotter: The Surgeon-Thinker's Legacy
36:01 Empathy in Surgery: Trotter's Influence on Medicine
41:16 Literary Inspirations: Embracing a Comedic Lens
46:28 Reflecting on Medical Evolution: The Primacy of Patient Care
If you prefer the video, you can find it here

Nov 25, 2023 • 1h 30min
Democracy: doing it for ourselves
Here's the audio from a great event in London held on the 15th of November in which I outlined my proposal for a privately funded standing citizen assembly. You can find the video at this link.

Nov 24, 2023 • 1h 7min
When the facts change, I change my ideology: Brink Lindsey on the emerging problems of our time
In this episode I chat with Brink Lindsey about his ideological trajectory — he began as an adherent of schlock philosopher Ayn Rand and has gradually transitioned towards the centre of the political spectrum via libertarianism and Hayek. (Rand regarded Hayek as poisonously, treasonously left wing). Sadly Hayekian libertarianism had embarrassingly little to say about the emerging problems of our time — noticeably cultural, political and environmental degradation.
We built the conversation around the title of Brink's Substack, "The Permanent Problem".
This was inspired by Keynes's essay "Economic Possibilities for Our Grandchildren", in which Keynes sketches out the problems he expects to emerge by around the early decades of the new century. For by then, as Keynes prophecied, we'll have solved the economic problem — and that leaves us with the permanent problem — how to live agreeably and well.
Brink's 2007 book, "The Age of Abundance," was optimistic, speaking of a time when humanity underwent a revolutionary change with the advent of mass affluence. However, Brink admits, the world didn't turn out as he'd hoped.
Timestamps
1:27 Introduction and getting our bearings.
8:07 The social and economic challenges we face now.
14:47 Technology's impact on social structures and behaviour.
21:27 The interplay between political and societal changes.
28:07 Widening class divisions and social cohesion.
34:47 The mental health crisis.
41:27 The changing roles of education and employment.
48:07 The rise of identity politics, and its effects on societal norms and values.
54:47 Potential solutions.
1:00:27 Final thoughts, summarizing key points and reflecting on the future outlook.
If you prefer video, it's here.

Sep 22, 2023 • 18min
Willows & Wind Vanes: Fixing Economics Forecasting
In the wake of my column proposing that central banks should hold open forecasting competitions - and particularly suggesting it for Bernanke's review of the Bank of England's forecasting, Gene Tunny and I discuss the issues in more detail and some of the reactions to the column appearing in the comments section.
Kenneth Grahame and Wind in the Willows comes up. And why not?
I think you’ll find it pretty interesting.
If you'd like to watch the video, it's here.
00:00 Trailer
00:53 Proposal for Economic Forecasting
06:19 Comments & Criticisms
10:05 Modeling & Judgements
13:47 Feedback on Gene's Article
16:12 Museum Visit and Kenneth Graham
17:13 Closing Remarks
If you'd like to watch the video version, find it here.

Sep 15, 2023 • 1h 3min
The two things I'd like to fix: Governments scaling what works and fixing democracy.
In this podcast I got two wishes. What two things would I fix if I could. Chris Vanstone from The Australian Centre for Social Innovation (TACSI) asked to interview me as part of TACSI's thinking about its own future. I agreed but made two suggestions. First, that we record the discussion and make it a podcast.
Second, given his description of the process as exploring “what futures do you want to see”, I said that I'd expect to critique that as a starting point right off the bat. Why? Because this kind of framing suffers from grandiosity. I'm not some hero charting a course to the future. I'm a little munchkin noticing things, trying to figure out what problems and opportunities exist in what Humphrey Bogart called our "crazy mixed up woild" in Casablanca.
The ensuing session was really engaging I thought. Kudos to Chris for being an unfazed master of silence while he thinks. Oh, and the two things I want to fix?
We talk as if we'll scale up social programs that work and scale down the less successful ones. But we haven't done it since, now let me see. Since … Well ever actually! And that's the case in most countries.
Oh and democracy — I want to fix that (and this'll make you laugh) I don't think it's that hard! I think we just need to introduce jury-like mechanisms into our democracy. If you're interested, have a look at the trailers for this documentary.
If you'd like to listen to the video of this podcast, it’s here.
00:00 Trailer
01:00 Introduction to Democracy and Citizen Juries
11:01 The Texas Experiment: Deliberative Polling
26:01 East Belgium's Standing Citizen Council
41:01 Challenges and Triumphs of Scaling Solutions
51:01 Addressing Democracy's Gaping Wounds
1:01:01 The Future of Citizen Participation

Sep 8, 2023 • 1h 4min
Why Steve Jobs is like the Doge of Venice: The lessons we can all learn from software
My friend Antonios Sarhanis is a philosophy graduate turned software guy and runs a software business in Melbourne. Whenever I'm detailing various bizarre practices in ordinary white collar workforces Antonios will often say that that doesn't happen in the management of software development. That's because it's really a 'blue collar job' which is to say that it's producing an output which is very tangible — and where there's a fairly straightforward relationship between doing a good or bad job and the software working well or badly.
In lots of white collar jobs that's not the case. The upshot is that software development eschews oodles of bad practices that are endemic. We discuss everything from the value of formal education in the field to the intricacies of being a ten x engineer. There are a cast of characters you've heard of — like Bill Gates, Paul Keating, Steve Jobs and the Doge of Venice.
If you'd like to access the video, it's here.
Timestamps
00:00 - Trailer
01:08 - Start
03:47 - Introduction and the value of a Ph.D. in software
04:40 - The real-world skills required in software development
12:26 - The unique characteristics of software developers
24:03 - The concept of a ten x engineer and their financial remuneration
31:20 - The evolution of software development methodologies
36:47 - The impact of software on global economies
41:33 - Discussion on Paul Keating and his understanding of economics
56:05 - The future of software and its societal implications
1:03:05 - Closing thoughts and the essence of the conversation

Aug 25, 2023 • 31min
60% chance of economic downpour?
Why can’t economists forecast better? The short answer is they don’t try.
The four-day weather forecasts of today are as good as one-day forecasts 30 years ago. Economic forecasts have been consistently lousy throughout the period with no sign of improvement. And yet there's evidence they could improve, though probably not by as much. How could they do that? By taking a leaf out of the weather forecasters' book.
We discuss Ben Bernanke's review of the Bank of England's forecasting and ask why Philip Tetlock's work on superforecasting has received so little attention. The answer is "no reason", it's just that he's not an economist. And the profession of economics puts its store in the cleverness and technical prowess of its forecasters, rather than in their ability to consistently outperform other forecasters.
If you'd like to access the video, it's here.
00:00 Trailer
00:58 Start
05:15 Introduction to Forecasting
06:27 Philip Tetlock and His Legacy
07:58 The 2008 Economic Downturn: A Case Study
11:38 The Essence of Super Forecasting
12:38 Psychology in Forecasting: Kahneman's Perspective
17:17 The Weather Analogy: Forecasting's Gold Standard
20:39 The Future of Economic Forecasting
23:09 Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

Aug 11, 2023 • 58min
There's $13B on the pavement! Doubling giving in Australia
In this chat with Sam Rosevear, the Executive Director, Policy, Government Relations and Research of Philanthopy Australia we discuss the plan he’s been working on to double donations to charity in Australia by the end of the decade. That’s an additional $13 billion per year! And as you’ll see from our discussion it shouldn't be that hard to do. It shouldn't cost government much because most of the action involves a few nudges.
If you'd like to access the video, it's here
00:00 Trailer
01:02 Introduction
20:24 Nudges and Financial Initiatives in Charity
29:17 The Role of Government in Education
31:50 The Meritocracy Trap and Education Inequality
37:26 The Potential of Super Bequests
49:20 Local Community Foundations and Giving
57:12 Partnering with Civil Society and Business

Jul 21, 2023 • 27min
Liberty: safety from tyranny or doing what you like?
In this episode of Policy Provocations, Gene Tunny and I discuss liberty or freedom in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic. As I argue, one can think about liberty in the way most of the demonstrators against lockdowns and vaccine or mask mandates did. They asserted their right to be free to make their own decisions. But I think that's freedom as licence. It's important that we not be needlessly constrained. So it is certainly important for people to raise those issues. But the ability to impose constraints is actually fundamental to liberty.
If you think of the London Blitz, imposing blackouts was necessary for preserving liberty. In this case, liberty from German bombing!
My point is not just that we impose some constraints on people because not doing so imposes harm on others. It is that what really matters to our liberty is the legitimacy of law-making. In that regard what is remarkable is that there are any number of relatively easy ways our constitution can be subverted by would be authoritarians. You'd expect the champions of liberty to be concerned with this. If they were concerned with liberty wouldn't we be making sure that governments don't appoint the Director of Public Prosecutions? If the US Republicans or the Democrats are really concerned about liberty, wouldn't they be bringing plans to the next election to reign in the presidential pardon power. This is as one presidential candidate openly talks about giving himself a pardon from gaol!
The blogpost I mention is here.
If you prefer watching the video, it's here.
00:00 Trailer
01:03 Liberty and Policy during the Pandemic
02:01 Contempt of Parliament
05:27 Government powers and safeguards
07:32 Government actions and citizen involvement during the pandemic
10:15 Government's reliance on opinion polling and the need for citizen juries
11:19 Pandemic policies: Scrutiny and overreaction.
15:02 Discussion and compromise in politics
17:35 Institutions to improve political discussion
20:09 Housing policy and crisis management
22:04 Crisis and the presidential Pardon power

Jul 21, 2023 • 59min
Elite Capture: Christianity Wrote the Playbook!
Of all the podcasts we’ve done so far, this is my favourite.
We discuss Peter Heather’s marvellous book “Christendom: the triumph of a Religion”. It covers the thousand years from the time Christianity becomes embedded in the Roman Empire, via Emperor Constantine’s conversion. Heather’s book shows how much Christianity was spread not by those ‘meek’ whom Jesus would have inherit the earth, but by the powerful for whom conversion offered improved relations with the Emperor’s court. Over time, and through the period of Charlemagne it infiltrated European life via various drives for Christian piety.
By the 12th century, the Church had deeply infiltrated people’s lives through the seven sacraments — which marked the weekly rhythms and major milestones of people’s lives — they included baptism, confirmation, the eucharist, penance, and marriage. And by the 12th century, the church was in many ways more powerful than any king or emperor. It controlled Europe’s operating system — it’s systems of information and learning and its transnational legal code. The church is also the template for a specific organisational form. The church was a unitary organisation governed by a monarch supported by a skilled bureaucracy administering an elaborate and time-honoured legal code. Nation states took their form from the church. So too, later on did corporations.
If you prefer watching the video, you can find it here.