

devtools.fm: Developer Tools, Open Source, Software Development
Andrew Lisowski, Justin Bennett
A podcast about developer tools and the people who make them. Join us as we embark on a journey to explore modern developer tooling and interview the people who make it possible.
We love talking to the creators front-end frameworks (React, Solid, Svelte, Vue, Angular, etc), JavaScript and TypeScript runtimes (Node, Deno, Bun), Languages (Unison, Elixor, Rust, Zig), web tech (WASM, Web Containers, WebGPU, WebGL), database providers (Turso, Planetscale, Supabase, EdgeDB), and platforms (SST, AWS, Vercel, Netlify, Fly.io).
We love talking to the creators front-end frameworks (React, Solid, Svelte, Vue, Angular, etc), JavaScript and TypeScript runtimes (Node, Deno, Bun), Languages (Unison, Elixor, Rust, Zig), web tech (WASM, Web Containers, WebGPU, WebGL), database providers (Turso, Planetscale, Supabase, EdgeDB), and platforms (SST, AWS, Vercel, Netlify, Fly.io).
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Jul 21, 2023 • 56min
Andrey Sitnik - PostCSS, Browserslist, Autoprefixer, Evil Martians
This week we are joined by Andrey Sitnik, the creator of PostCSS, Browserslist, Autoprefixer, and many other tools. We talk about the origins of PostCSS, the future of CSS, and the power of open source and distributed applications. We also go into OKLCH, a new color format that Andrey has been working on tooling for.
https://github.com/ai
https://sitnik.ru/en/
https://twitter.com/sitnikcode
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Jul 7, 2023 • 47min
Steven Fabre - Liveblocks
This week, Steven Fabre, CEO and co-founder of Liveblocks, discusses building a real-time infrastructure for collaborative apps and the importance of collaboration in a digital world. They also explore the challenges of creating a great developer experience (DX) and the concept of presence in Liveblocks, including live cursors, multiplayer forms, and text editors.

Jun 23, 2023 • 49min
Steve Manuel, Ben Eckel - Extism, Dylibso
This week we talk with Steve Manuel and Ben Eckel from Dylibso about their project Extism, an extension framework built on WebAssembly. We talk about the inspiration for the project, the challenges of building a apps with WebAssembly, and the future of WebAssembly.
https://extism.org/
https://dylibso.com/
https://twitter.com/nilslice
https://twitter.com/bhelx
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Jun 9, 2023 • 1h 3min
Christoph Nakazawa - Athena Crisis, Jest, Yarn, MooTools, Metro
This week we talk to Christoph Nakazawa, former engineering manager of yarn, jest, and metro, We talk about OSS culture, sheparding OSS, front end archetypes, and his new company Athena Crisis.
https://twitter.com/cpojer
https://cpojer.net/
https://athenacrisis.com/
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May 26, 2023 • 57min
Irina Nazarova - Evil Martians
This week we're joined by Irina Nazarova, CEO of Evil Martians. Evil Martians is a consultancy that has created and amazing open source catalog with projects like PostCSS, AnyCable, and ImgProxy. We talk about her background, stepping into leadership, and commercial open source.
https://evilmartians.com
https://twitter.com/inazarova
https://anycable.io
https://imgproxy.net
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May 12, 2023 • 43min
Sabin Adams - Prisma
This week we talk to developer advocate Sabin Adams about Prisma, an ORM with a focus on type safety and developer experience. We delve into the benefits of Prisma, how it works, and all the cool features it has to offer.
https://twitter.com/sabinthedev
https://www.sabinthedev.com
https://github.com/sabinadams
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sabin-adams-656261122/
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Apr 28, 2023 • 1h 1min
Charlie Marsh - Ruff
This week we talk to Charlie Marsh, the creator of Ruff, a fast python linter written in Rust. We talk about his journey from working on the Khan Academy mobile apps to building developer tools for the Python ecosystem. We also talk about the challenges of building a linter, fostering a community, and the future of Ruff and his new company Astral.
https://twitter.com/charliermarsh
https://github.com/charliermarsh/
https://www.crmarsh.com
https://github.com/charliermarsh/ruff
https://astral.sh
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Apr 14, 2023 • 51min
Steve Krouse - val.town
This week we talk to Steve Krouse, the creator of Val.Town, a platform for writing TypeScript code in a browser and deployed instantly. Starting with Steve's with his first venture into teaching children to code we trace that line directly to the vision of Val.Town. Val.Town is a social network, app store, and collaborative place all in one.
https://twitter.com/stevekrouse
https://stevekrouse.com/
https://val.town
https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/
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Mar 31, 2023 • 54min
Tanner Linsley - TanStack
This week we talk to Tanner Linsley, creator of beloved tools like TanStack Query, TanStack Table, and many more. We talk about how he got started in open source, how he approaches building libraries, and what new things he has cooking up. Get a taste of what's to come in TanStack Router and bling.
https://twitter.com/NozzleIO
https://tanstack.com
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https://github.com/studio-freight/lenis/
https://web.hypothes.is/
https://observablehq.com/collection/@observablehq/plot
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Mar 17, 2023 • 57min
Matt Butcher - Fermyon
In the episode, we're joined by Matt Butcher, we discuss the potential of Web Assembly and how it can revolutionize serverless computing. He highlights the advantages of using Web Assembly for serverless applications, such as faster startup times, improved performance, and support for a wide variety of languages. Matt left his role at Microsoft on the Deis Labs Kubernates team to co-found Fermyon, a platform that uses Web Assembly to run serverless functions.https://twitter.com/technosophoshttps://twitter.com/Helmpackhttps://twitter.com/brigadecorehttps://twitter.com/krustlethttps://twitter.com/fermyontechhttps://www.fermyon.comJoin our patreon for the full episode https://www.patreon.com/devtoolsfm.TooltipsWant to hear use talk about our tooltips? Join our patreon! https://www.patreon.com/devtoolsfmAndrewhttps://bloop.aihttps://qr-code-styling.comJustinhttps://www.datarabbit.com/https://www.inkandswitch.com/cambria/Matthttps://github.com/AlDanial/clochttps://remarkable.com/https://thebrowser.company/