

Revolutionizing Your Journey: Travel With Points & Miles
DeAndre Coke
Revolutionizing Your Journey is more than a travel podcast—it’s your inside pass to unforgettable experiences without the luxury price tag. Hosted by DeAndre Coke, a financial advisor and world explorer, and joined by his travel partner Taryn Gisbert, this show helps you unlock the world using points, miles, and the strategies most people overlook. Each episode features real conversations with travel experts, creators, families, and couples who have mastered the art of traveling smarter, deeper, and more affordably. From flying first class for nearly free to staying in five-star resorts on points, this podcast reveals how to transform your travel dreams into reality.
You’ll hear from newlyweds who booked $20,000 trips using points, families who explore the world on a budget, and professionals who turn everyday spending into extraordinary travel. DeAndre and Taryn share personal stories, expert interviews, and practical advice to help you make the most of your money, time, and adventures. They dive into credit card rewards, loyalty programs, elite status perks, and curated experiences that elevate every trip. Episodes range from deep dives on specific destinations to easy-to-follow strategies for travelers of all levels.
From romantic overwater bungalows in the Maldives to theme park adventures with kids, from hiking to Everest Base Camp to sipping wine in hidden Italian towns, the show captures the full range of what’s possible with the right tools and a little creativity. If you want to travel more, spend less, and experience the world in a more intentional and inspired way, this is the podcast for you.
Revolutionizing Your Journey brings you the knowledge, strategies, and stories to help you dream bigger and travel better. Subscribe today and join a growing community of travelers who are rewriting the rules of what’s possible.
You’ll hear from newlyweds who booked $20,000 trips using points, families who explore the world on a budget, and professionals who turn everyday spending into extraordinary travel. DeAndre and Taryn share personal stories, expert interviews, and practical advice to help you make the most of your money, time, and adventures. They dive into credit card rewards, loyalty programs, elite status perks, and curated experiences that elevate every trip. Episodes range from deep dives on specific destinations to easy-to-follow strategies for travelers of all levels.
From romantic overwater bungalows in the Maldives to theme park adventures with kids, from hiking to Everest Base Camp to sipping wine in hidden Italian towns, the show captures the full range of what’s possible with the right tools and a little creativity. If you want to travel more, spend less, and experience the world in a more intentional and inspired way, this is the podcast for you.
Revolutionizing Your Journey brings you the knowledge, strategies, and stories to help you dream bigger and travel better. Subscribe today and join a growing community of travelers who are rewriting the rules of what’s possible.
Episodes
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Jul 3, 2024 • 59min
Playing the Points and Miles Game as a Family with @thefrugalandfreetravelers (Ep. 29)
How can families travel luxuriously without breaking the bank?
Challenge your preconceived notions about cost-effective luxurious travel in this episode of the Revolutionizing Your Journey podcast. Host DeAndre Coke welcomes Jordan and Courtney from “The Frugal and Free Travelers,” an Indiana-based couple with two daughters who share their love of adventure.
Together they have mastered traveling frugally yet luxuriously through strategic planning and usage of points and miles. Starting with the Chase Freedom card in 2007 to lavish trips to South America and Disney World, Jordan and Courtney share insights and tips on balancing family, work, and a passion for travel.
Key Highlights:
Family Travel Dynamics: Learn how Jordan and Courtney prioritize travel despite a middle-class income, manage long flights with ease, and train their kids to enjoy travel
Credit Card Strategy: Discover how they started with the Chase Freedom card and now open multiple cards annually, focusing on transferable points to improve their credit scores
Travel Planning: Understand how Courtney handles 80% of research and planning, balancing activities to ensure memorable trips for the entire family
Memorable Trips: Hear about their highlights, including hiking in Madeira, exploring Portugal, and using Alaska Airlines miles for South America, plus a budget-friendly stay in Chile and maximizing credits at the Arizona Biltmore
Challenges and Solutions: Find out how they overcome challenges like booking four business class seats and hotel rooms for four, emphasizing the importance of earning large points and understanding program availability
Advice for Beginners: Receive practical advice on starting small with points, avoiding hoarding, and using them promptly
Upcoming Adventures: Get a sneak peek into their future trips to Greece and Turks and Caicos, and dream destinations like Thailand and Indonesia. Follow their journey on Instagram and visit their website for more resources
And much more!
Resources:
Best Current Card Offers to Maximize Points
LTH Online Points & Miles In Depth Course:
Use coupon code “BOLDYGO” for a 50% discount!
BoldlyGo Travel With Points & Miles Facebook Group
DeAndre Coke (forbes.com)
Truicity Wealth Management
Website: Travel Freely
Insightful Points & Miles Strategies with the Hosts of “Wonderland on Points” (Ep. 20)
Connect with DeAndre Coke:
Instagram: BoldlyGo.world
LinkedIn: DeAndre Coke
Website: BoldlyGo.world
YouTube: BoldlyGoWorld
Connect with Jordan and Courtney:
Instagram: thefrugalandfreetravelers
Website: thefrugalandfreetravelers.com
eBook
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Jun 28, 2024 • 5min
Quick Hits: Act Fast! Wyndham Rewards Ultimate 30-Day Hotel Pass
In this week’s Quick Hit episode, DeAndre Coke provides details of a draw for the Ultimate Hotel Pass from Wyndham Rewards®. Enter the draw for a chance to purchase a 30-night hotel pass that allows you to stay at almost any of the Wyndham properties across the globe for only $499! The draw ends at 11:59PM EST on July 4th where 25 lucky applicants will be selected, so submit your application as soon as possible!
Check out the links in the show notes for more information.
Key takeaways:
Wyndham Rewards® is offering a $499 30-night hotel pass to 25 lucky winners
All 30 nights must be redeemed before October 1st
Must be a U.S. citizen over the age of 18
Submit before 11:59PM EST on July 4th to be eligible
Resources:
Wyndham Rewards Ultimate Hotel Pass
Best Current Card Offers to Maximize Points
LTH Online Points & Miles In Depth Course:
Use coupon code “BOLDYGO” for a 50% discount!
BoldlyGo Travel With Points & Miles Facebook Group
DeAndre Coke (forbes.com)
Truicity Wealth Management
Connect with DeAndre Coke:
Instagram: BoldlyGo.world
LinkedIn: DeAndre Coke
Website: BoldlyGo.world
YouTube: BoldlyGoWorld
Mentioned in this episode:Check out the new Smart Travel Podcast!This week's show is supported by the new Smart Travel Podcast. Travel smarter — and spend less — with help from NerdWallet. Check out Smart Travel at the Link below:Smart Travel Podcast

Jun 26, 2024 • 56min
Mastering Points and Miles with Kelly of @pointsandmilesdoc (Ep. 28)
Mastering your points and miles rewards strategies can transform your travel experiences, even with a demanding career!
In this episode of the Revolutionizing Your Journey podcast, hosted by DeAndre Coke, we welcome Kelly, the doctor behind Points and Miles Doc. Kelly, an academic surgeon in Los Angeles, has perfected the art of using travel rewards to create luxurious experiences while managing a busy medical career. From her humble beginnings with an American Airlines credit card to flying first-class on Emirates, ANA, and Singapore Airlines, Kelly’s journey is rich with insights.
Kelly’s travel rewards journey began with an American Airlines credit card, initially using points for domestic flights. Her passion for luxury travel ignited when she experienced business-class comfort on a long-haul flight, driving her to explore more efficient ways to maximize travel rewards on a budget.
Kelly shares her strategies for balancing a demanding schedule, setting boundaries, and leveraging points and miles to craft unforgettable travel experiences. Packed with valuable tips, this episode caters to both seasoned travelers and newcomers to the world of travel rewards.
Key Highlights:
Journey Beginnings: Kelly’s foray into points and miles began in earnest in 2015 with an American Airlines credit card
Budget Travel: She has accumulated and redeemed over 6 million points, booking approximately $375,000 worth of travel without spending $6 million
Content Creation: Kelly balances her demanding career with content creation, providing resources and courses for professionals interested in travel rewards
Cultural Immersion: Highlights include flying Emirates First Class from Singapore to LAX, exploring Petra and Wadi Rum in Jordan, and experiencing the luxury of Singapore Suites
Travel Strategies: Kelly emphasizes the importance of not being loyal to one system, taking advantage of outsized offers, and booking travel far in advance to fit a busy schedule
Physician Wellness: She stresses the need for physicians to take vacations to avoid burnout, noting that well-rested doctors are more effective
And much more!
Tune in to discover how Kelly’s strategic use of points and miles has elevated her travel experiences and how you can apply her techniques to your own travel planning.
Resources:
Best Current Card Offers to Maximize Points
LTH Online Points & Miles In Depth Course:
Use coupon code “BOLDYGO” for a 50% discount!
BoldlyGo Travel With Points & Miles Facebook Group
DeAndre Coke (forbes.com)
Truicity Wealth Management
Thrifty Traveler
Ashley Gets Around
Going | Formerly Scott’s Cheap Flights
SLH Property: Cellers-Hohenort Cape Town
Connect with DeAndre Coke:
Instagram: BoldlyGo.world
LinkedIn: DeAndre Coke
Website: BoldlyGo.world
YouTube: BoldlyGoWorld
Connect with Kelly:
Instagram: pointsandmilesdoc
Website: Points and Miles Doc
Mentioned in this episode:Check out the new Smart Travel Podcast!This week's show is supported by the new Smart Travel Podcast. Travel smarter — and spend less — with help from NerdWallet. Check out Smart Travel at the Link below:Smart Travel Podcast

Jun 19, 2024 • 45min
How to Explore Every Country on Earth: A Travel Guide with @hudsonandemily (Ep. 27)
How can the Herculean task of traveling to every country on Earth change your worldview and inspire others to pursue their dreams?
Join DeAndre Coke as he welcomes Hudson and Emily, a dynamic duo on a mission to visit every country in the world. Together they share their incredible journey—starting with an RV trip across the U.S. to visiting 180 countries—and how a personal tragedy motivated them to live intentionally and embrace a life of travel.
Emily and Hudson discuss the evolution of their travel goals, savvy budgeting strategies, and their transition to full-time content creation. They reveal the joys and challenges of their adventures, from participating in unique cultural practices to experiencing the kindness of strangers. Tune in and discover how their travels have deepened their appreciation for the world’s diversity and humanity.
Key Highlights:
Journey Beginnings: The unexpected loss of Hudson’s father inspired their RV trip across all 50 U.S. states, sparking their global travel mission
Budget Travel: They initially saved by staying in free locations and continued to budget carefully during their international adventures
Content Creation: They transitioned from a lifestyle blog to full-time travel content creators, sharing valuable insights and experiences
Cultural Immersion: Memorable experiences include participating in the Mandari tribe’s customs in South Sudan and witnessing the generosity of locals in Afghanistan
Upcoming Travels: Excited to visit China, 11 Pacific Islands, and saving the Bahamas as their final destination
Future Plans: They plan to settle down after visiting every country, start a family, and continue content creation focused on marriage, travel, and parenting
Inspiring Others: They emphasize kindness, intentional living, and the importance of taking the first step toward your dreams
Tune in for these insights and more, as Hudson and Emily’s journey continues to inspire.
Resources:
Best Current Card Offers to Maximize Points
LTH Online Points & Miles In Depth Course:
Use coupon code “BOLDYGO” for a 50% discount!
BoldlyGo Travel With Points & Miles Facebook Group
DeAndre Coke (forbes.com)
Truicity Wealth Management
Connect with DeAndre Coke:
Instagram: BoldlyGo.world
LinkedIn: DeAndre Coke
Website: BoldlyGo.world
YouTube: BoldlyGoWorld
Connect with Hudson & Emily:
Instagram: hudsonandemily
YouTube: Hudson and Emily
Website: hudson + emily
Mentioned in this episode:Check out the new Smart Travel Podcast!This week's show is supported by the new Smart Travel Podcast. Travel smarter — and spend less — with help from NerdWallet. Check out Smart Travel at the Link below:Smart Travel Podcast

Jun 14, 2024 • 6min
Quick Hits: How to Use AAdvantage Hotels and Online Portals to Boost Your Points & Miles
In this week’s Quick Hit episode, DeAndre Coke explains how he used Advantage Hotels, a portal that offers bonus miles and loyalty points for booking hotel rooms. By being a member of AAdvantage and having an American Airlines credit card, DeAndre was able to earn 7,000 miles and loyalty points for his stay. He also discusses the importance of utilizing different strategies, such as dining portals and shopping portals, to earn more miles.
Key takeaways:
Using online booking portals such as Advantage Hotels to to earn bonus points and miles when booking hotel rooms
Utilizing different strategies, such as dining portals and shopping portals, to earn more miles when you book online
The advantages of credit card benefits, like elite status and room upgrades
Bonus miles offered by Amex for Delta cards
And more!
Resources:
Best Current Card Offers to Maximize Points
LTH Online Points & Miles In Depth Course:
Use coupon code “BOLDYGO” for a 50% discount!
BoldlyGo Travel With Points & Miles Facebook Group
DeAndre Coke (forbes.com)
Truicity Wealth Management
Connect with DeAndre Coke:
Instagram: BoldlyGo.world
LinkedIn: DeAndre Coke
Website: BoldlyGo.world
YouTube: BoldlyGoWorld
Mentioned in this episode:Check out the new Smart Travel Podcast!This week's show is supported by the new Smart Travel Podcast. Travel smarter — and spend less — with help from NerdWallet. Check out Smart Travel at the Link below:Smart Travel Podcast

Jun 12, 2024 • 52min
How to Travel Sustainably and Build Lifelong Connections with Matt Wilson Co-Founder of Under 30 Experiences (Ep. 26)
How can traveling sustainably change the way you see the world and help you forge lasting relationships?
Join DeAndre Coke as he chats with Matt Wilson, co-founder of Under 30 Experiences. Together they discuss points and miles strategies, as well as how his travel platform can transform your adventures and connect you with others on a deeper level. Discover how Under 30 Experiences evolved from exclusive entrepreneur retreats to welcoming travelers of all ages, and find out how you can take advantage of their unique approach.
Matt and DeAndre share insights on everything from backpacking trips to supporting local businesses, showing how your travels can be both meaningful and unforgettable. Tune in for practical tips on sustainable travel and making lasting connections along the way.
Key Highlights:
Iceland Trip: Matt’s solo trip to Iceland in 2012 inspired the creation of Under 30 Experiences
Entrepreneur Retreats: Shifted from exclusive retreats to inclusive travel experiences
Supporting Local Communities: Staying at locally owned places and promoting local artisans
Cultural Immersion: Prioritizing genuine cultural experiences over typical tourist activities
Community Building: Fostering lifelong connections through local meetups, Facebook, and WhatsApp groups
Over 30 Experiences: Responding to demand with elevated accommodations for older travelers
Diverse Destinations: Upcoming trips to Argentina, Japan, Korea, and Eastern Europe
Group Travel Benefits: Encouraging hesitant travelers to start with group trips for a supportive experience
Plus, more insights to revolutionize your travel experiences sustainably!
Resources:
Best Current Card Offers to Maximize Points
LTH Online Points & Miles In Depth Course:
Use coupon code “BOLDYGO” for a 50% discount!
BoldlyGo Travel With Points & Miles Facebook Group
DeAndre Coke (forbes.com)
Truicity Wealth Management
Connect with DeAndre Coke:
Instagram: BoldlyGo.world
LinkedIn: DeAndre Coke
Website: BoldlyGo.world
YouTube: BoldlyGoWorld
Connect with Matt Wilson:
Instagram: @mattwilsontv
Website: Under30Experiences.com
Book: The Millennial Travel Guidebook
Mentioned in this episode:Check out the new Smart Travel Podcast!This week's show is supported by the new Smart Travel Podcast. Travel smarter — and spend less — with help from NerdWallet. Check out Smart Travel at the Link below:Smart Travel Podcast

Jun 10, 2024 • 10min
Points & Miles Quick Hits: Updates to Southwest Cards, Transfer Points, and Tax Strategies for Business Owners
Starting this week, DeAndre Coke introduces ‘Quick Hits’ – a series of short episodes to share time-sensitive travel and points-related information and updates!
This week’s episode:
A new increased bonus offer for Southwest credit cards
Transfer bonuses for Chase, Virgin, and Citi are expiring soon
Using credit cards for tax payments can earn additional points for business owners
Make sure you have publishing notifications turned on to make sure you don’t miss any of these essential updates!
Resources:
Best Current Card Offers to Maximize Points
LTH Online Points & Miles In Depth Course:
Use coupon code “BOLDYGO” for a 50% discount!
BoldlyGo Travel With Points & Miles Facebook Group
DeAndre Coke (forbes.com)
Truicity Wealth Management
Connect with DeAndre Coke:
Instagram: BoldlyGo.world
LinkedIn: DeAndre Coke
Website: BoldlyGo.world
YouTube: BoldlyGoWorld
Mentioned in this episode:Check out the new Smart Travel Podcast!This week's show is supported by the new Smart Travel Podcast. Travel smarter — and spend less — with help from NerdWallet. Check out Smart Travel at the Link below:Smart Travel Podcast

Jun 5, 2024 • 1h 19min
How to Use Points & Miles to Plan Around-the-World Travel with the Point Sisters (Ep. 25)
Does a trip around the world sound like an unreasonable idea, or might there be a practical approach to achieving these goals?
Join DeAndre Coke and special guests Kelsi and Devan, known as the Point Sisters, as they unveil strategies to book around-the-world tickets using points and miles. These travel professionals share their secrets to securing business class tickets for fewer points than a typical one-way fare. Devan recounts her around-the-world honeymoon, showcasing the incredible value and adventure possible through strategic points and miles usage.
From gorilla trekking in Uganda to luxurious stays in Bali, the Point Sisters demonstrate how anyone can revolutionize their travel experiences. DeAndre emphasizes the podcast’s mission: to make luxurious yet affordable travel accessible to all. This episode is packed with actionable tips to elevate your travel game.
Key Highlights:
ANA Around-the-World Ticket: Discover the exceptional value of booking through ANA using American Express or ANA points, starting at 105,000 points for 18,000 miles in business class
Strategic Planning: Tips on leveraging the Star Alliance network and the importance of flexibility and managing expectations
Gorilla Trekking Adventure: Devan’s thrilling experience in Uganda, highlighting the unique and memorable moments made possible through points and miles
Top-notch Redemptions: Luxurious stays in Bali, including Alila Ubud and Spa Village Tembok, showcasing the incredible value of points in affordable destinations
Professional Flexibility: Insights into balancing travel with professional lives, utilizing PTO, holidays, and remote work
Booking Service: Overview of the Point Sisters’ booking service, guiding clients through planning around-the-world trips with points and miles
Plus, more insights to revolutionize your travel experiences with points and miles!
Resources:
Best Current Card Offers to Maximize Points
LTH Online Points & Miles In Depth Course:
Use coupon code “BOLDYGO” for a 50% discount!
BoldlyGo Travel With Points & Miles Facebook Group
DeAndre Coke (forbes.com)
Truicity Wealth Management
Insightful Points & Miles Strategies with the Hosts of “Wonderland on Points” (Ep. 20)
Connect with DeAndre Coke:
Instagram: BoldlyGo.world
LinkedIn: DeAndre Coke
Website: BoldlyGo.world
YouTube: BoldlyGoWorld
Connect with Kelsi & Devan:
Instagram: @pointsisters
Website: PointSisters.com
Mentioned in this episode:Check out the new Smart Travel Podcast!This week's show is supported by the new Smart Travel Podcast. Travel smarter — and spend less — with help from NerdWallet. Check out Smart Travel at the Link below:Smart Travel Podcast

May 29, 2024 • 32min
How to Balance a Demanding Career with Luxurious Travel with Brittney Jansen (Ep. 24)
Do you have a demanding career that keeps you from your dreams of luxury travel?
Whether the issue is finding the time, or finding the money in your budget, this engaging episode will have you join DeAndre Coke and special guest Brittney Jansen as they reveal how to use points and miles to maximize your travel experiences. Brittney, a traveling physician’s assistant with a unique upbringing in Saudi Arabia, shares her journey of balancing a demanding career with her passion for travel, offering valuable insights, strategies, and some personal anecdotes to make the most of your travel points.
Brittney’s fascinating story spans from her childhood in Saudi Arabia to her recent adventures in New Zealand and Vietnam. She explains how she manages extensive travel despite her demanding job, often taking extended vacations between job transitions. This episode is packed with actionable tips on how to balance work and travel, maximize credit card rewards, and strategically plan your trips.
Key Highlights:
New Private Facebook Group: A dedicated space for podcast listeners to discuss points and miles strategies with DeAndre, as well as other players in the points and miles game
Travel Adventures: Brittney’s experiences in Vietnam, including riding scooters and exploring Kaapa Island, as well as her adventures in New Zealand, from visiting Milford Sound to scuba diving
Credit Card Strategies: Insights on starting with the Chase Sapphire Preferred card, managing points, and maximizing rewards with the Amex Gold card
Lux Travel Hacks Course: Brittney’s positive experience with the course, shifting her spending mindset, and empowering her to use points effectively
Future Travel Plans: Brittney’s aspirations to visit the Galapagos for scuba diving and her travel goals for Japan, China, India, and Dubai
Practical Travel Tips: Coordinating with colleagues for flexible travel time, packing light, and choosing centrally located accommodations using Google Maps
Mindset Shift: Brittney’s journey from initial hesitation to strategic spending and the significant benefits of the Lux Travel Hacks course
And so much more!
Tune in to uncover Brittney Jansen’s travel secrets and learn how to elevate your travel experiences using points and miles!
Resources:
Listener Survey
Tulum, Mexico Airbnb Giveaway Link!
Best Current Card Offers to Maximize Points
LTH Online Points & Miles In Depth Course:
Use coupon code “BOLDYGO” for a 50% discount!
BoldlyGo Travel With Points & Miles Facebook Group
DeAndre Coke (forbes.com)
Truicity Wealth Management
Connect with DeAndre Coke:
Instagram: BoldlyGo.world
LinkedIn: DeAndre Coke
Website: BoldlyGo.world
YouTube: BoldlyGoWorld
Connect with Brittney Jansen:
Instagram: BrittneyPaige1
Mentioned in this episode:Check out the new Smart Travel Podcast!This week's show is supported by the new Smart Travel Podcast. Travel smarter — and spend less — with help from NerdWallet. Check out Smart Travel at the Link below:Smart Travel Podcast

May 22, 2024 • 58min
Maximizing Points & Miles for Budget-Friendly Luxury Travel with Tim Meade (Ep. 23)
Ever wonder how frequent travelers enjoy luxury stays without the high costs?
In this captivating episode, join DeAndre Coke and special guest Tim Meade as they reveal strategies for using points and miles to elevate your travel experiences. Tim Meade, co-founder of “Wandering Destination” shares how he and his wife have explored 27 countries across six continents using credit card rewards.
From staying in Irish castles to exploring Turkey’s serene landscapes, Tim’s journey is a testament to smart travel planning. DeAndre underscores the podcast’s mission: to help you use credit card points for luxurious yet budget-friendly travel. This episode is packed with actionable tips to elevate your travel game.
Key Highlights:
Leveraging Delta SkyMiles: Learn how Tim’s frequent trips to Atlanta earned him extensive travel perks
Two-Player Mode: Discover the benefits of couples using separate cards and referring each other for maximum rewards
Credit Card Benefits: Insights into the versatile rewards of the Chase Sapphire Preferred and American Express Platinum cards
Strategic Planning: Use tools like Travel Freely to track spending, bonuses, and manage the Chase 5/24 rule
Memorable Destinations: Highlights include a castle stay in Ireland and a cost-free adventure in Turkey during COVID-19
Future Travel Plans: Tim and DeAndre’s upcoming explorations in Asia, with tips on optimizing layovers and lounges
Plus, more insights to transform your travel experiences with points and miles!
Resources:
Listener Survey
Tulum, Mexico Airbnb Giveaway Link!
Best Current Card Offers to Maximize Points
LTH Online Points & Miles In Depth Course:
Use coupon code “BOLDYGO” for a 50% discount!
BoldlyGo Travel With Points & Miles Facebook Group
DeAndre Coke (forbes.com)
Truicity Wealth Management
Website: Daily Drop
Website: Going (formerly Scott’s Cheap Flights)
Website: Travel Freely
Connect with DeAndre Coke:
Instagram: BoldlyGo.world
LinkedIn: DeAndre Coke
Website: BoldlyGo.world
YouTube: BoldlyGoWorld
Connect with Tim & Charlotte Meade:
Instagram: wandering.destination
YouTube: Wandering Destination
Mentioned in this episode:Check out the new Smart Travel Podcast!This week's show is supported by the new Smart Travel Podcast. Travel smarter — and spend less — with help from NerdWallet. Check out Smart Travel at the Link below:Smart Travel Podcast