
Resources Radio
Resources Radio is a weekly podcast by Resources for the Future. Each week we talk to leading experts about climate change, electricity, ecosystems, and more, making the latest research accessible to everyone.
Latest episodes

Sep 29, 2024 • 34min
Local Attitudes Toward Energy Projects, with Holly Caggiano and Sara Constantino
Holly Caggiano, an assistant professor at the University of British Columbia, and Sara Constantino, an assistant professor at Stanford University, dive into local perspectives on energy projects in Pennsylvania. They explore how proximity to homes and job creation influence public support, revealing a strong preference for solar over nuclear energy. The conversation highlights the critical role of local elected officials in representing community interests and discusses how childhood experiences shape their careers in environmental economics.

Sep 23, 2024 • 30min
Will Carbon Capture Make Local Air Pollution Worse?, with Andrew Waxman
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Andrew Waxman, an assistant professor at the University of Texas at Austin, about carbon capture, utilization, and storage (CCUS), a technology that involves the capture and storage or reuse of carbon dioxide. Waxman discusses the application of CCUS technology for reducing greenhouse gas emissions from power plants and industrial facilities; the importance of the technology for achieving emissions-reduction goals; and the potential effects of the technology on local air pollution, particularly in communities along the US Gulf Coast.
References and recommendations:
“What are the likely air pollution impacts of carbon capture and storage?” by Andrew Waxman, HR Huber-Rodriquez, and Sheila M. Olmstead; https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4590320
“Special Report on Carbon Capture Utilisation and Storage: CCUS in Clean Energy Transitions” from the International Energy Agency; https://www.iea.org/reports/ccus-in-clean-energy-transitions
“City Limits: Infrastructure, Inequality, and the Future of America’s Highways” by Megan Kimble; https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/711708/city-limits-by-megan-kimble/

Sep 16, 2024 • 30min
Adding Equity to Environmental Models, with Amanda Giang
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Amanda Giang, an assistant professor at the University of British Columbia, about considering equity in computational models of systems that are at the interface of people and the environment. Giang discusses the steps involved in adapting the models; weighing the benefits of granular, individualized data against considerations of personal privacy; the limitations of modeling and quantitative analysis; and the challenges of communicating with decisionmakers about the complexity and uncertainty of model results.
References and recommendations:
“Equity and modeling in sustainability science: Examples and opportunities throughout the process” by Amanda Giang, Morgan R. Edwards, Sarah M. Fletcher, Rivkah Gardner-Frolick, Rowenna Gryba, Jean-Denis Mathias, Camille Venier-Cambron, John M. Anderies, Emily Berglund, Sanya Carley, Jacob Shimkus Erickson, Emily Grubert, Antonia Hadjimichael, Jason Hill, Erin Mayfield, Destenie Nock, Kimberly Kivvaq Pikok, Rebecca K. Saari, Mateo Samudio Lezcano, Afreen Siddiqi, Jennifer B. Skerker, and Christopher W. Tessum; https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2215688121
“Ducks: Two Years in the Oil Sands” by Kate Beaton; https://drawnandquarterly.com/books/ducks/

Sep 10, 2024 • 30min
Power Flows: Understanding the Barriers to Electricity Transmission, with Catherine Hausman
Catherine Hausman, an Associate Professor at the University of Michigan, dives deep into the complexities of electricity transmission costs and their environmental impact. She reveals how insufficient transmission infrastructure affects renewable energy deployment in the Midwest, leading to increased consumer prices and emissions. Hausman discusses the power dynamics of companies potentially losing revenue from new transmission lines and their influence on policies that hinder progress. The conversation is both enlightening and engaging, sprinkled with whimsical book recommendations and lighthearted debates.

Aug 31, 2024 • 31min
Implications of the Supreme Court Overturning the Chevron Decision, with Daniel Farber
In this week’s episode, host Kristin Hayes talks with Daniel Farber, a professor of law at the University of California, Berkeley, about Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo, a Supreme Court case decided earlier this summer that overturned decades of precedent set under a 1984 case that itself led to a legal principle, or doctrine, that people call the Chevron deference. The Chevron deference is a long-standing legal precedent that required courts to defer to the application of laws as interpreted by government agencies if the relevant statute was ambiguous and if the interpretation made by the agency was reasonable. Farber discusses the history of the Chevron deference, the legal arguments that the current Supreme Court justices asserted in the decision that overturned Chevron, and the implications of this decision for future environmental regulation and policymaking.
References and recommendations:
“Après Chevron, Judges Rule” blog post by Alan Krupnick, Joshua Linn, and Nathan Richardson; https://www.resources.org/common-resources/apres-chevron-judges-rule/
“The Regulatory Review” blog; https://www.theregreview.org/
“Legal Planet” blog; https://legal-planet.org/

Aug 26, 2024 • 33min
A History of America’s Public Lands, with John D. Leshy (Rebroadcast)
This week, we’re rebroadcasting an episode from the Resources Radio archive while the team is on a break through the rest of August. We’ll be back in September with new episodes; in the meantime, enjoy this throwback and poke around the archive at Resources.org for more topics you might be interested in.
In this week’s episode rerun, host Margaret Walls talks with John D. Leshy, an emeritus professor at the University of California College of the Law, San Francisco, about the history of public lands in the United States. Leshy discusses the legislation that enabled the creation and conservation of public lands, common myths about public lands, and how the government may open up public lands for mining or clean energy projects in the future.
References and recommendations:
“Our Common Ground: A History of America’s Public Lands” by John D. Leshy; https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300235784/our-common-ground/
“The Mining Law: A Study in Perpetual Motion” by John D. Leshy; https://www.routledge.com/The-Mining-Law-A-Study-in-Perpetual-Motion/Leshy/p/book/9781138951877
“End of the Megafauna: The Fate of the World’s Hugest, Fiercest, and Strangest Animals” by Ross D. E. MacPhee; https://wwnorton.com/books/End-of-the-Megafauna/

Aug 18, 2024 • 35min
Climate and Weather, with Jason Samenow of the Capital Weather Gang (Rebroadcast)
This week, we’re rebroadcasting an episode from the Resources Radio archive while the team is on a break through the rest of August. We’ll be back in September with new episodes; in the meantime, enjoy this throwback and poke around the archive at Resources.org for more topics you might be interested in.
In this week’s episode rerun, host Kristin Hayes talks with Jason Samenow, weather editor for the Washington Post and one of the leaders of the Post’s Capital Weather Gang. They discuss the intersection of climate change and weather, with a particular focus on how meteorologists communicate with the public about climate change in a scientifically rigorous way and how that communication has evolved alongside climate science. Samenow and Hayes also talk about the increasing number of extreme weather events that have been occurring both globally and in the Washington, DC, area.
References and recommendations:
Climate Central; https://www.climatecentral.org/
World Weather Attribution; https://www.worldweatherattribution.org/
Penn State Weather Camps; https://weather-camp.outreach.psu.edu/
Lenticular clouds; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenticular_cloud
Mammatus clouds; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammatus_cloud
Kelvin-Helmholtz clouds; https://scied.ucar.edu/image/kelvin-helmholtz-clouds
Snowmageddon 2010; https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/02/05/remembering-s-snowmageddon-images-scenes/
Eye on the Tropics newsletter by Michael Lowry; https://michaelrlowry.substack.com/
“The Weather” song by Lawrence; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9TYHOARDFI

Aug 12, 2024 • 34min
AC / DC: Unequal Access to Air Conditioning, with Kelly T. Sanders (Rebroadcast)
This week, we’re rebroadcasting an episode from the Resources Radio archive while the team is on a break through the rest of August. We’ll be back in September with new episodes; in the meantime, enjoy this throwback and poke around the archive at Resources.org for more topics you might be interested in.
In this week’s episode rerun, host Daniel Raimi talks with Kelly T. Sanders, an associate professor at the University of Southern California. With her coauthors, Sanders published a series of studies on air-conditioning use in southern California, with a focus on who does (and does not) have access to cooling on hot days. This work, which touches on issues of energy and environmental justice, has big implications for managing climate change in the decades to come.
References and recommendations:
“Utilizing smart-meter data to project impacts of urban warming on residential electricity use for vulnerable populations in Southern California” by Mo Chen, George A. Ban-Weiss, and Kelly T. Sanders; https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab6fbe/meta
“Growth: From Microorganisms to Megacities” by Vaclav Smil; https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/growth
“These Truths: A History of the United States” by Jill Lepore; https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393357424

Aug 5, 2024 • 31min
Exploring Partisan Divides on Climate and Energy Policy, with David Spence
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with David Spence, a law professor at the University of Texas at Austin, about Spence’s new book, “Climate of Contempt: How to Rescue the US Energy Transition from Voter Partisanship,” which was released today. Spence discusses reasons that climate and energy have become such divisive topics in US politics, including the partisan state of Congress and the modern media environment, and strategies to help build support among voters for climate action and temper polarization across the political spectrum.
References and recommendations:
“Climate of Contempt: How to Rescue the US Energy Transition from Voter Partisanship” by David B. Spence; https://climateofcontempt.com/
“Saving Us: A Climate Scientist’s Case for Hope and Healing in a Divided World” by Katharine Hayhoe; https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Saving-Us/Katharine-Hayhoe/9781982143848
Deep canvassing idea from Joshua Kalla and David Broockman; https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/06/26/want-to-persuade-an-opponent-try-listening-berkeley-scholar-says/
“The Gulf: The Making of an American Sea” by Jack E. Davis; https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/jack-e-davis

Jul 27, 2024 • 30min
An Introduction to the Environmental and Health Risks of Forever Chemicals, with Caroline Noblet
In this week’s episode, host Daniel Raimi talks with Caroline Noblet, an associate professor at the University of Maine, about the risks and negative impacts of forever chemicals on the environment and human health. “Forever chemicals” refer to per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS), which are a group of synthetic chemicals with extremely durable chemical bonds that have become dangerously common in water systems, consumer goods, agricultural production, and manufacturing facilities. Because PFAS chemical bonds do not break down easily, forever chemicals stick around for long periods of time. Noblet discusses policy solutions to decrease existing water contamination due to forever chemicals and limit future exposure to these chemicals, while accounting for geographic and economic differences across communities; new rules mandating the testing of public water systems for certain PFAS chemicals; and the economic implications of efforts to clean up and reduce exposure to forever chemicals.
References and recommendations:
“Dark Waters” film; https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9071322/
“Natural Capital” by Dieter Helm; https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300219371/natural-capital/