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Resources for the Future
Resources Radio is a weekly podcast by Resources for the Future. Each week we talk to leading experts about climate change, electricity, ecosystems, and more, making the latest research accessible to everyone.
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Sep 3, 2019 • 32min
100 Percent Clean: Understanding Climate Policy in Washington State, with Sharon Shewmake
Host Daniel Raimi talks with Sharon Shewmake, a professor of environmental economics at Western Washington University. Shewmake also represents Washington's 42nd legislative district in the state's House of Representatives. Shewmake discusses Washington's plan to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in the power sector to zero by 2045, other state policies that affect energy and the environment, and how researchers can more effectively engage with policymakers.
References and recommendations:
"A Trailblazing Plan to Fight California Wildfires” by Nicola Twilley, The New Yorker; https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/08/26/a-trailblazing-plan-to-fight-california-wildfires
"So, Should We Recycle?" by Planet Money; https://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=741283641

Aug 23, 2019 • 33min
Finding a Future for Forests in Energy and Climate Solutions, with Robert Bonnie
Host Daniel Raimi talks with Robert Bonnie, Rubinstein fellow at Duke University. Bonnie is an expert on many things, but in this episode, he talks about the role that forests play in energy, climate change, and more. Raimi asks Bonnie about the past, present, and future of wood energy in the United States and globally, and what role forests might play in helping to achieve deep decarbonization goals. They also talk about the challenges that this issue raises, including developing markets to incentivize reforestation, land use competition, and much more.
References and recommendations:
"Boom Town" by Sam Anderson; https://buff.ly/2NCsCQb
"Between Two Fires" by Stephen Pine; https://uapress.arizona.edu/book/between-two-fires
"Sapiens" by Yuval Noah Harari; https://www.ynharari.com/book/sapiens/
Aug 14, 2019 • 33min
Is the Endangered Species Act Under Threat?, with Ya-Wei Li
This week, we talk with Ya-Wei Li, Director of Biodiversity at the Environmental Policy Innovation Center (EPIC). Ya-Wei is an expert on the Endangered Species Act, a law that's been in the news recently because the Trump administration has proposed a number of changes to the way the Act is administered and enforced. We'll get Ya-Wei's take on which changes are most important, what effect they'll have on species and their habitat, and whether media coverage of the proposed changes has been overwrought.
References and recommendations:
"A Guide to the Revised Endangered Species Regulations" by Environmental Policy Innovation Center; http://policyinnovation.org/esaregs19/
"Last week's endangered species regulations: what really happened?" by Ya-Wei Li; https://buff.ly/2HgP6lR
Sage Grouse Mating Dances; https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sage+grouse
"Noah's Choice: The Future of the Endangered Species Act" by Mann and Plummer; https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/329264.Noah_s_Choice

Aug 12, 2019 • 31min
Paying for Pollution, with Gilbert Metcalf (Rebroadcast)
This week, we are rebroadcasting host Daniel Raimi's 2018 interview with Gilbert Metcalf, the John DiBiaggio Professor of Citizenship and Public Service; Professor of Economics; and Graduate Program Director at Tufts University’s Department of Economics. Daniel talks to Gib about his new book, "Paying for Pollution: Why a Carbon Tax is Good for America." We are re-airing this interview because several federal carbon pricing bills have recently been proposed in the US Congress, raising renewed interest in carbon pricing.
References and recommendations:
"The Year of the Carbon Pricing Proposal" by Marc Hafstead; https://www.resourcesmag.org/common-resources/the-year-of-the-carbon-pricing-proposal/
"The Sixth Extinction: An Unnatural History" by Elizabeth Kolbert; www.goodreads.com/book/show/179100…sixth-extinction
"Amity and Prosperity: One Family and the Fracturing of America" by Eliza Griswold; www.goodreads.com/book/show/367229…y-and-prosperity
"Confronting the Climate Challenge: US Policy Options" by Lawrence Goulder and Marc Hafstead; cup.columbia.edu/book/confronting…ge/9780231179027
"Paying for Pollution: Why a Carbon Tax is Good for America" by Gilbert Metcalf; global.oup.com/academic/product/…97?cc=us&lang=en

Aug 5, 2019 • 30min
Community Vulnerability in a "Just" Energy Transition, with Sanya Carley
Host Daniel Raimi talks with Professor Sanya Carley of Indiana University's O'Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs. Daniel and Sanya discuss her work on the "just" transition, which addresses questions like, how do climate policies affect energy affordability for low-income households, how do they affect the well-being of energy producing communities, and what approaches might help reduce the unwanted side effects of reducing greenhouse gas emissions from the energy sector?
References and recommendations:
"The Overstory" by Richard Powers; http://www.richardpowers.net/the-overstory/
“Why Setting a Climate Deadline is Dangerous” by
Shinichiro Asayama; https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-019-0543-4

Jul 29, 2019 • 30min
Are Climate Communicators Credible?, with Shahzeen Attari
Host Daniel Raimi talks with Professor Shahzeen Attari of the Indiana University's O'Neill School of Public and Environmental Affairs. Daniel and Shahzeen discuss her work on how the personal behavior of climate change communicators can affect the reception of their message. If a climate scientist uses a lot of energy at home or is a frequent flyer, do they lose credibility? It's a really challenging question—one that Shahzeen's work illuminates. The results, and this conversation, can help all of us think critically about our own energy use.
References and recommendations:
"Climate Change Communicators’ Carbon Footprints Affect Their Audience’s Policy Support" by Shahzeen Z. Attari, David H. Krantz, and Elke U. Weber; https://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-019-02463-0
"Statements about Climate Researchers’ Carbon Footprints Affect Their Credibility and the Impact of Their Advice" by Shahzeen Z. Attari, David H. Krantz, and Elke U. Weber; https://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-016-1713-2
"The Overstory" by Richard Powers; http://www.richardpowers.net/the-overstory/
"New York 2140" by Kim Stanley Robinson; https://www.kimstanleyrobinson.info/content/new-york-2140
"First Reformed"; https://a24films.com/films/first-reformed
"Years and Years"; https://www.hbo.com/years-and-years
Author Ursula K. Le Guin; https://www.ursulakleguin.com/

Jul 23, 2019 • 32min
The Challenge of Diversity in the Environmental Movement, with Dorceta Taylor
Host Daniel Raimi talks with Professor Dorceta Taylor of the University of Michigan’s School for Environment and Sustainability. Daniel asks Professor Taylor about her research on the history of the environmental movement, focusing on issues of diversity, equity, and inclusion within environmental groups, both historically and today. There’s been quite a bit of progress over the years, but there are still big challenges and plenty of room for improvement.
References and recommendations:
"The Rise of the American Conservation Movement" by Dorceta E. Taylor; https://www.dukeupress.edu/the-rise-of-the-american-conservation-movement
"The State of Diversity in Environmental Organizations" by Dorceta E. Taylor, PhD; https://www.diversegreen.org/the-challenge/
Listen to the full interview (40 min) with Dr. Taylor: https://www.resourcesmag.org/resources-radio/challenge-diversity-environmental-movement-dorceta-taylor/

Jul 13, 2019 • 32min
What Happened at Chernobyl?, with Todd Allen
Host Daniel Raimi talks with Professor Todd Allen, chair of the Department of Nuclear Engineering and Radiological Sciences at the University of Michigan. Todd and Daniel discuss Chernobyl—what caused the explosion, what is known about its health effects, and what lessons policymakers and nuclear engineers learned from the disaster. Todd and Daniel also comment on the recent HBO miniseries called "Chernobyl"—what did it get right, and where did it miss the mark?
References and recommendations:
"Lessons of Darkness"; https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104706/
"Full Body Burden" by Kristen Iversen; https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/216565/full-body-burden-by-kristen-iversen/9780307955654/
"The Grid" by Gretchen Bakke; https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/the-grid-9781608196104/

Jul 8, 2019 • 32min
Economics in the Age of Environmental Policy, with Robert Stavins
Host Daniel Raimi talks with Robert Stavins, the A.J. Meyer Professor of Energy and Economic Development at Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government. Daniel and Rob discuss the role that economics has played in shaping environmental policy, both in the past and today. As major proposals like the Green New Deal seem to be turning away from market-based approaches, long-advocated by most economists, Rob shares how he sees the role of environmental economics in today’s environmental policy landscape.
References and recommendations:
"Harlan County USA"; http://www.cabincreekfilms.com/films_harlancounty.html
"Columbia Energy Exchange"; https://energypolicy.columbia.edu/podcast/columbia-energy-exchange

Jul 2, 2019 • 33min
Nature and Nurture: Understanding the Psychology of Pro-Environmental Behavior, with Susan Clayton
Host Kristin Hayes talks with Susan Clayton, the Whitmore-Williams Professor of Psychology and Chair of Environmental Studies at the College of Wooster. They discuss questions such as: why do some people care about environmental conservation more than others? How can policymakers and other decisionmakers encourage pro-environmental behavior? And how do we wrestle with our own human limitations in processing and trying to address climate change?
References and Recommendations:
"Rising" by Elizabeth Rush; https://milkweed.org/book/rising
"The Psychology of Climate Change Communication" by the Center for Research on Environmental Decisions at Columbia University; http://guide.cred.columbia.edu/


