
Cross and Concord
Join Pastors Flamme and Packer on Cross and Concord, a podcast exploring the riches of Scripture, theology, and life through a confessional Lutheran lens. Rooted in the cross of Christ and the clarity of the Lutheran Confessions, we tackle big questions, unpack biblical truths, and offer pastoral insights for today’s world. Whether you’re a lifelong Lutheran or just curious, tune in for faithful conversation that points to the hope of the Gospel.
Latest episodes

May 23, 2025 • 42min
How Do We Care for Immigrants?
In this episode we discuss some work Dr. Leopoldo Sanchez has done on immigration, and what it can teach us about caring for the immigrants among us.

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May 9, 2025 • 54min
Are AI Spiritual Delusions Demonic? Is the Pope still the Antichrist?
Explore the intriguing intersection of AI and spirituality, where chatbots may be attributed divine qualities. Discover personal stories highlighting the psychological impacts of AI, including emotional dependence and the phenomenon of 'ChatGPT psychosis.' Delve into the risks of seeking spiritual guidance from AI, stressing the need for theological grounding. The conversation also critiques the role of the Pope, reflecting on cultural reactions and Lutheran views, while questioning the implications of authority in the church and society.

Apr 29, 2025 • 1h 3min
Apologetics Part 4: Evaluating Different Approaches to Apologetics
In this Episode Pastors Flamme and Packer discuss and evaluate four approaches to apologetics.

Apr 16, 2025 • 51min
Apologetics Part 3: Lutheran Orthodoxy and Reason
Pastors Flamme and Packer continue to look at the issues of faith and reason focusing on the age of Lutheran Orthodoxy and early 20th century Missouri Synod issues.

Apr 8, 2025 • 55min
Apologetics Part 2: Faith and Reason
The conversation dives into the intricate dance between faith and reason, influenced by Martin Luther's insights. pastors delve into whether reason is a divine gift or a potential misleader. They explore the impact of humanism on Reformation thought and Luther's shifting views on reason across his teachings. The discussion highlights the wisdom of Solomon and its complexities, alongside the theological debate surrounding transubstantiation. Ultimately, they advocate for a balanced relationship between faith and reason to enhance understanding and dialogue.

Apr 2, 2025 • 59min
Apologetics Part 1: What does the Bible say about apologetics?
The hosts dive into biblical apologetics, exploring its significance in the Lutheran tradition amidst modern challenges. They discuss human resistance to divine truth, using the plagues of Exodus as a backdrop. The dynamic confrontation between Elijah and Baal highlights the power of God over false idols. Additionally, the role of apologetics in strengthening faith and facilitating evangelism is examined. The importance of planting seeds of thought in Christian dialogue is emphasized, along with effective methods of engaging skeptics.